Burden of being 'Chavan Khandaan Ka beta' - Page 2

Originally posted by: I-Am-SherLOCKED

Firstly, brilliantly written. 👏

To be honest with you, I've never really paid much attention to Virat because I've been really so invested in Sai and Sai's struggles. But after reading your post, quite a few thoughts came to mind.

In the first couple of episodes, we see Virat as a dutiful son who is loved by everyone for his obedience and nature. But now that I think of it, is this the way Virat is or is this the way he's been taught to be? There've been a couple of discussions on the forum about why Virat has this need to keep everyone happy. This was probably a big reason why he sacrificed Pakhi just so that Samrat could be happy. I don't think dissent has ever been tolerated in the Chavan household which is why Virat is a pacifist. He likes to avoid conflict. I always thought Virat is blind towards how Ninad and Bhavani treat his mother but now I feel he chooses to deliberately ignore it.
Virat, from Virat's perspective, is first Virat CHAVAN then anything else. He has learnt to make his family's happiness his happiness.

With everyone reacting the way they did, I think Virat's turmoil just became greater. He is already in a lot of pain with Pakhi marrying Samrat, Kamal Sir dying, having to marry Sai but his family's utter refusal to even see his circumstances and where he's coming from, just intensified it.

Virat comes from a big, circus family headed by the authoritarian Mast Mast and she has no tolerance for differing opinions. Sai comes from a family of two. We've seen that Aaba and Sai argue, talk and discuss and that's probably why Sai doesn't have this people-pleasing nature of Virat. Sai is going to teach Virat to value himself above everyone else and let people know what and how he is feeling.

Phew, I went off on a bit of a tangent but had just a lot to say on this :)

Yeah I too feel that the obedient virat we have seen till date who seems to not involve himself in family conflict is just a trained bot of his kaku bhavani.... the real virat chavan will be brought out by the care-free sai who says whatever is on her mind and is blunt and brave.

I think sai will encourage virat to get involved more in the family conflicts for the sake of his other family members, more specifically his mother, who evidently will have a good relationship with sai.

This may start with virat first speaking out more in sai's defense in front of kaku and ninad, but then sai may witness he doesn't stand up for his mother the same way he does for her, which she may point out to virat, and tell him that if he speaks out for her because he has taken it as his duty to look after her, then this duty extends first to his mother to look after her and speak out for his mother when she is disrespected.

If there is a point where virat speaks out against his father for mistreating his wife sai, then virat can't keep quiet if his father keeps mistreating his own wife/ virat's mother.

Wow.. awesome insights all.. never thought this deep..

I think virat already started speaking up for sai .. hope this continues..

Can’t wait for our next episode to see ashwini rocking

Originally posted by: Chattering-Lory

Nice analysis Janki. Actually I would like to know who is the non-maratha lady in Chavan house Bhavani was referring to, other than Karishma & Sai in the latest episode. If it is Ashwini then how will Virat be the Khandaan ka beta?? Actually in Indian tradition a son is considered as khandaan ka beta only if both the parents are from the same kul. If we consider both the sons of the house Virat & Mohit, Virat will be far away from being the khandan ka beta if Ashwini is non-maratha because two generations (Ninad & Virat) married outside kul.

I think Ashwini has her own impact on Virat being his biological mother even if Bhavani managed to dominate over her position in the upbringing of him. We can see two sides of Virat, one is the flawed side of not being able to understand how to proceed with relationships, taking stupid decisions and making meaningless 'vaadas' which he must have acquired due to Bhavani's hold on him.😆 Being a cool and composed gentle man, being compassionate towards others, caring attitude, intelligence etc. especially when he's in ACP mode is the other side which he must have learnt from his own mother Ashwini. Also we can see that his best side has more power and it definitely will take over his flaws. Ashwini will be very happy & proud to see him proceed this way. 😊

@Bold- Huh? I don't know about all this caste stuff, but how does only both parents being of same caste count toward a child being considered truly belonging to the caste of their family? I thought just as how a child is known by their father's name and all that, the same applies for caste and that the child's caste etc is whatever the father's is? OK this is confusing stuff. I'm british so this caste business seems all whack to me

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

@Chattering-lory

I think the two non-Maratha Bahus are Ashwini and Karishma. Karishma is not even a Maharashtrian as per the dialogues of Mohit in one episode and her "Daddo Suttho" catchphrase is Sindhi. At first, I was also inclined to believe that the older generation had a love triangle but seems far fetched. It has got to do with the male heir- Virat.

One, because he is the older of the two male children, Mohit and Virat, of the Chavan family directly. Second, because he is also seen as the more "suitable" one since Mohit is more of a rebel, non-military/forces kind and is already married by his own choice. Marathas pride themselves in being in the forces.

Also, Bhavani and Nagesh Chavan - the oldest couple of the generation seem to have one specially abled daughter, who cannot be the heiress of the legacy anyway.

So it is very plausible that Ninad and Ashwini had a love marriage and eventually fell apart due to some vaada given by Ninad to his dying brother or to Bhavani after his death about his son. This could have been to make up for the constant reminder that he may have shamed the family by marrying Ashwini and possibly Ninad was spineless as he seems to be even now. Of course, this twist we will know eventually but my hunch is that Virat has been handed over as Bhavani's first property by Ninad, which has resulted in Ashwini's grief. It also explains why Ninad reacted the way he did, reminding him about a 'farz towards the family' and why Ninad, despite understanding the importance of Kamal Joshi's sacrifice cannot speak in favour of Virat. Lagta hai usne bhi koi illogical vaada Kiya hai Kaku se 🤣 it runs in their Kuli blood 🤣🤣🤣

Coming to the point on how Virat is then a Maratha-- well he is. Because inter caste marriages unilaterally subvert caste-endogamy but not the patriarchal nature of the institution of marriage. The ritual of tying a mangalsutra around a woman’s neck in marriage as a signifier of husband’s ownership. And also, the offsprings directly take after the father's caste and religion etc. However, they won't be the 'blue blood' Marathas, as the patriarchal set up would like.

Also, in Shahannav Kuli Marathas, it is common practice for the eldest couples of families to adopt an heir from within the family. This is especially true for families that have a lot of wealth of legacy to be inherited. Widow heads of Maratha families adopt the most suitable male heirs from within the family to inherit and take forward the legacy of the family. It will be interesting to know if Virat is VIRAT NINAD CHAVAN OR VIRAT NAGESH CHAVAN on paper.

It is not possible that being such a sharp observer, he hasn't felt the way his mother and sister-in-law or even Devyani are treated. The first introductory episodes clearly show that he chooses to diffuse the situation and assure his mother when Bhavani keeps uttering nonsense. But in Saturday's episode where Sai was being insulted, you could see the fire in his eyes. It was almost as if his subconscious dislike and disgust for Bhavani and her thoughts was on his face finally.

@Nadeen: I too hope Sai will be able to drill a lot of logic about things she will spot.

@i-am-Sherlocked: I totally agree with you about the frankness with which Sai and Aaba spoke and the way she has been raised. It will be difficult for her to accept this silent oppression of everyone in the house including her soon-to-be soulmate. She will fight for everyone and Virat will end up seeing the daylight and smelling the coffee 😅😅

Again a great write-up by you👏...but Ashwini-Ninad having a love marriage seems a bit out of place(no offence to your thoughts though😊)but the way he treats her,it feels as if it was either an arranged marriage or he was forced into it...even though we might consider him falling out of love with her but respect has to be there regardless of love coz again love comes with some respect towards your partner... don't know if this kind of love even exists

P.S. Again no offence to your thoughts😊...I just think that,that particular point might not be true

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

@Chattering-lory

I think the two non-Maratha Bahus are Ashwini and Karishma. Karishma is not even a Maharashtrian as per the dialogues of Mohit in one episode and her "Daddo Suttho" catchphrase is Sindhi. At first, I was also inclined to believe that the older generation had a love triangle but seems far fetched. It has got to do with the male heir- Virat.

One, because he is the older of the two male children, Mohit and Virat, of the Chavan family directly. Second, because he is also seen as the more "suitable" one since Mohit is more of a rebel, non-military/forces kind and is already married by his own choice. Marathas pride themselves in being in the forces.

Also, Bhavani and Nagesh Chavan - the oldest couple of the generation seem to have one specially abled daughter, who cannot be the heiress of the legacy anyway.

So it is very plausible that Ninad and Ashwini had a love marriage and eventually fell apart due to some vaada given by Ninad to his dying brother or to Bhavani after his death about his son. This could have been to make up for the constant reminder that he may have shamed the family by marrying Ashwini and possibly Ninad was spineless as he seems to be even now. Of course, this twist we will know eventually but my hunch is that Virat has been handed over as Bhavani's first property by Ninad, which has resulted in Ashwini's grief. It also explains why Ninad reacted the way he did, reminding him about a 'farz towards the family' and why Ninad, despite understanding the importance of Kamal Joshi's sacrifice cannot speak in favour of Virat. Lagta hai usne bhi koi illogical vaada Kiya hai Kaku se 🤣 it runs in their Kuli blood 🤣🤣🤣

Coming to the point on how Virat is then a Maratha-- well he is. Because inter caste marriages unilaterally subvert caste-endogamy but not the patriarchal nature of the institution of marriage. The ritual of tying a mangalsutra around a woman’s neck in marriage as a signifier of husband’s ownership. And also, the offsprings directly take after the father's caste and religion etc. However, they won't be the 'blue blood' Marathas, as the patriarchal set up would like.

Also, in Shahannav Kuli Marathas, it is common practice for the eldest couples of families to adopt an heir from within the family. This is especially true for families that have a lot of wealth of legacy to be inherited. Widow heads of Maratha families adopt the most suitable male heirs from within the family to inherit and take forward the legacy of the family. It will be interesting to know if Virat is VIRAT NINAD CHAVAN OR VIRAT NAGESH CHAVAN on paper.

It is not possible that being such a sharp observer, he hasn't felt the way his mother and sister-in-law or even Devyani are treated. The first introductory episodes clearly show that he chooses to diffuse the situation and assure his mother when Bhavani keeps uttering nonsense. But in Saturday's episode where Sai was being insulted, you could see the fire in his eyes. It was almost as if his subconscious dislike and disgust for Bhavani and her thoughts was on his face finally.

@Nadeen: I too hope Sai will be able to drill a lot of logic about things she will spot.

@i-am-Sherlocked: I totally agree with you about the frankness with which Sai and Aaba spoke and the way she has been raised. It will be difficult for her to accept this silent oppression of everyone in the house including her soon-to-be soulmate. She will fight for everyone and Virat will end up seeing the daylight and smelling the coffee 😅😅

Ashwini in one episode said to ninad and bhavani that she doesn't want that virat bhi apni bhabhi ko... and then was cut off by ninad screaming at her. This indicates that bhavani and ninad had a relationship pre-marriage like pakhi-virat and ashwini can already see the parallels that are taking place between virat-pakhi-samrat and ninad-bhavani-nagesh. So I'm not sure about whether it is true that nagesh on his death bed may have made ninad promise him that he hands the reign of virat's upbringing over to bhavani, (on a side note in one episode ashwini taunted bhavani for not having a child of her own and bhavani said yeah she doesn't have a child of her own, and I was like "Hello! Is Devyani a pet animal then of bhavani's?") because he left bhavani no proper heir, but I do feel there are two parts to ashwini's bitterness towards bhavani.

One is her rights as virat's mother being taken from her and forcefully given to bhavani. And the other I heavily feel is that ninad and bhavani had relation like virat-pakhi and ashwini knows this is the reason ninad willingly acts like a lapdog for bhavani.

But then if that is true that the reason he mistreats ashwini is that she was not his choice, but bhavani was, then as has been said that ashwini had not been chosen by family to marry ninad and ninad himself married and brought ashwini home, that must indicate that ninad's marriage to ashwini may have been on similar lines as virat-sai possibly? Because why would ninad have married ashwini himself and brought her home instead of it being an arranged marriage, but then still mistreat her and give so much preference to bhavani? It must be that ninad had to marry ashwini for some reason under a compulsion, but unlike virat, who will not mistreat sai and takes his promises and duties seriously, ninad probably thought whatever duty or compulsion he had that for which he had to marry ashwini ended at him marrying her and not needing to do anything more for ashwini, like treating her with respect.

Originally posted by: sammy17

@Bold- Huh? I don't know about all this caste stuff, but how does only both parents being of same caste count toward a child being considered truly belonging to the caste of their family? I thought just as how a child is known by their father's name and all that, the same applies for caste and that the child's caste etc is whatever the father's is? OK this is confusing stuff. I'm british so this caste business seems all whack to me

Yes, this is how it is followed in Indian tradition. But now a days since inter-caste, inter-religion-marriages are taking place more frequently people are considering offspring's caste/religion from the paternal side. But actually for Indian traditional families caste is something more than merely getting the name of the ancestors/lineage of the male parent. It's the blood lineage and ancestry that is followed (from both the mother's and father's side because a child inherits his/her DNA from both the parents). People in many traditional families consider both the maternal and paternal ancestry of the other party before finalizing the marriage in an arranged setting. It's not just one generation but several generations back. This is also done to ensure that both the bride and the groom are not blood related at least within 7 generations.

Originally posted by: Chattering-Lory

Yes, this is how it is followed in Indian tradition. But now a days since inter-caste, inter-religion-marriages are taking place more frequently people are considering offspring's caste/religion from the paternal side. But actually for Indian traditional families caste is something more than merely getting the name of the ancestors/lineage of the male parent. It's the blood lineage and ancestry that is followed (from both the mother's and father's side because a child inherits his/her DNA from both the parents). People in many traditional families consider both the maternal and paternal ancestry of the other party before finalizing the marriage in an arranged setting. It's not just one generation but several generations back. This is also done to ensure that both the bride and the groom are not blood related at least within 7 generations.

oh ok thanks for clearing it up.

Wow! Bhavani sounds so Voldemort right now.

@ Janki yes in the patriarchal set up a child is identified based on father's caste, religion etc. But if we consider the blood lineage and ancestry that is followed more commonly in traditional families Virat will not be an absolute maratha origin son of the family. But taking into regard how he excelled in the police force Chavans can take pride in him and consider him as their khandaan ka beta. Of course he's the most suitable male heir within the family but then Sai is also the daughter of a police man who bravely fought and sacrificed his life on the field for a fellow officer/colleague/student (Virat) and she excelled in her studies too so they shouldn't have any objection with her as well. If Virat (unlike Mohit) can have the benefit of being the khandaan's son basing on his chivalry and merits Sai also deserves the same status (khandaan ki bahu) for almost the same merits she too possesses.

I don't think there is any formal adoption of Virat by Bhavani because in that case he would generally be identified as late Nagesh Chavan's son by everyone but no where till now it has happened like this as far as I remember.

I would love to see Virat revolt against Bhavani and her annoying behaviour as Chavan family's eldest member.

Originally posted by: jankiraghav

@Chattering-lory

I think the two non-Maratha Bahus are Ashwini and Karishma. Karishma is not even a Maharashtrian as per the dialogues of Mohit in one episode and her "Daddo Suttho" catchphrase is Sindhi. At first, I was also inclined to believe that the older generation had a love triangle but seems far fetched. It has got to do with the male heir- Virat.

One, because he is the older of the two male children, Mohit and Virat, of the Chavan family directly. Second, because he is also seen as the more "suitable" one since Mohit is more of a rebel, non-military/forces kind and is already married by his own choice. Marathas pride themselves in being in the forces.

Also, Bhavani and Nagesh Chavan - the oldest couple of the generation seem to have one specially abled daughter, who cannot be the heiress of the legacy anyway.

So it is very plausible that Ninad and Ashwini had a love marriage and eventually fell apart due to some vaada given by Ninad to his dying brother or to Bhavani after his death about his son. This could have been to make up for the constant reminder that he may have shamed the family by marrying Ashwini and possibly Ninad was spineless as he seems to be even now. Of course, this twist we will know eventually but my hunch is that Virat has been handed over as Bhavani's first property by Ninad, which has resulted in Ashwini's grief. It also explains why Ninad reacted the way he did, reminding him about a 'farz towards the family' and why Ninad, despite understanding the importance of Kamal Joshi's sacrifice cannot speak in favour of Virat. Lagta hai usne bhi koi illogical vaada Kiya hai Kaku se 🤣 it runs in their Kuli blood 🤣🤣🤣

Coming to the point on how Virat is then a Maratha-- well he is. Because inter caste marriages unilaterally subvert caste-endogamy but not the patriarchal nature of the institution of marriage. The ritual of tying a mangalsutra around a woman’s neck in marriage as a signifier of husband’s ownership. And also, the offsprings directly take after the father's caste and religion etc. However, they won't be the 'blue blood' Marathas, as the patriarchal set up would like.

Also, in Shahannav Kuli Marathas, it is common practice for the eldest couples of families to adopt an heir from within the family. This is especially true for families that have a lot of wealth of legacy to be inherited. Widow heads of Maratha families adopt the most suitable male heirs from within the family to inherit and take forward the legacy of the family. It will be interesting to know if Virat is VIRAT NINAD CHAVAN OR VIRAT NAGESH CHAVAN on paper.

It is not possible that being such a sharp observer, he hasn't felt the way his mother and sister-in-law or even Devyani are treated. The first introductory episodes clearly show that he chooses to diffuse the situation and assure his mother when Bhavani keeps uttering nonsense. But in Saturday's episode where Sai was being insulted, you could see the fire in his eyes. It was almost as if his subconscious dislike and disgust for Bhavani and her thoughts was on his face finally.

@Nadeen: I too hope Sai will be able to drill a lot of logic about things she will spot.

@i-am-Sherlocked: I totally agree with you about the frankness with which Sai and Aaba spoke and the way she has been raised. It will be difficult for her to accept this silent oppression of everyone in the house including her soon-to-be soulmate. She will fight for everyone and Virat will end up seeing the daylight and smelling the coffee 😅😅

@bold : if we go by the other versions Deviant isn't born like that. She becomes like that after she is forcefully separated from her husband and child too is separated. The husband happens to be Sai's college professor with whom Sai will get her remarried much against the stupid trio's wishes.

But in the other version bhavani's daughter's character isn't specially abled. She is perfectly fine and she too marries the person of her choice with Sai's help. The mentally challenged character happens to be virat's paternal aunt whose separated son happens to be Sunny. But here since Sunny cannot be Devyani's son they will change it accordingly.