Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Eternal Love CC # 9 - Page 93

Originally posted by: Krishnpriya

Balraam did that to Yamuna !!! Why ???

Why do some men do these things? Rape is a crime of power. He'd just realized he was a prince and was given partial credit for defeating Jarasandha's army though he was drunk as a skunk at the time, and it was Krishna who did the heavy work.

So money and power.

Balram went to visit Gokul. He called Yamuna to "sport" with him. She refused. So he did what he wanted, anyway.

She then lamented how will she return to her sisters as she'd be mocked. He said he didn't care where she went.

Krishna eventually married her.

If we think of this in natural not supernatural terms, a man cannot drag a river or marry her.

My best guess would be a woman who lived by the riverside.

(See bolded parts in citation below. You can see how violent it was. Also, plough is considered a euphemism for male equipment.)

Brahmavaivarta Purana doesn't make the pretense of calling her a river. In it, Balram was accused of calling his brother's wife to him constantly. Aniruddha tried to excuse it by saying it was because she was needed to help him bathe. Yup, a sister-in-law.

https://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_046.html

Holding the plough in his hand, strong like a snake and sparkling with the mace in the (other)

the intoxicated (balarAma), the best among the powerful, sparkled with his face swaying (due to intoxication), like moon swaying in the nights of cold season.

rAma told yamunA: O great river! I wish to take bath. O the one who goes to the sea! Come to me in your form.

Rejecting the words spoken by the intoxicated sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma), stupefied by her womanly nature, she did not go to that place.

Then the powerful (bala)rAma, stirred by intoxication, became angry. He took up the plough in his hand, keeping its point down, ready for dragging.

Then the garland of lotus flowers fell on earth. The flower buds were released and the water became red with the pollen of flowers.

Using the plough with its point down, (bala)rAma dragged the great river yamunA as though the river was a woman swerving from her duty.

The frightened river along with its perturbed water and many ponds deviated along the route made by the plough.

That river flowing forcefully in a curved manner as indicated by the plough was distressed like a woman, due to the fear of sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma).

With her banks similar to thighs, bimbAh (the fruit of the Momordica Monadelpha) as lips, splashing water and broken foam as her girdle, the river was distressed, as the water breached its banks.

According to Monier Williams

bibmAh: the fruit of the Momordica Monadelpha (to which the lips of women are often compared)

With the troubled rows of waves, having chakravAka (Anas Casarca) birds as her breasts, splendorous with her fast flowing currents, decorated by the distressed fish,

along with groups of swans, with a loose dress of linen of grass, her beautiful hair of trees on her banks, with the distressed flow of water,

angry, due to the plough tearing her limbs, the river going to the sea, like an intoxicated dishonest woman, who goes along the royal path,

was dragged quickly with force. Her currents diverted before, she was re-routed through the forest of vR^indAvana.

The river yamunA, brought to the middle of vR^indAvana forest , full of sounds of aquatic birds, appeared like crying.

The great river yamunA, breaching the forest of vR^indAvana, taking the form of a woman told bala(rAma):

(yamunA said): O lord! Be pleased. I am afraid due to my opposing action. My aquatic form is also getting diverted.

O son of rohiNi (balarAma)! You made me unchaste among rivers. O the one with great arms! By dragging I have diverted from my route.

My fast co-wives will reach the sea quickly before me, If my route is diverted, I will be laughed at by the water foams.

O valiant! Be pleased with me. O elder brother of kR^iShNa, I appeal to you. O the best among deva-s, Be pleased always with me.

I was dragged by the plough. Please refrain from the anger.

O the one with plough as weapon! I keep my head on your feet (I surrender to you). O the one with great arms! I wish to go along the route directed by you.

vaishampAyana said:

The one with plough as weapon (balarAma) saw the river yamunA surrendering to him. Exhausted with intoxication, he spoke these words to the bride of ocean:

(balarAma said:) O beautiful at sight! Auspicious lady! Kindly give water at all places along the route indicated by my plough.

O one with beautiful brows! This is my order to you, who goes to the ocean. O illustrious woman! Be calm. You can now proceed as you wish.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Hi HearMeRoar. Do you remember we had once discussed that many kuru vadhus had committed suicide after Mahabharatha war. Could you share the citation for that? I am not able to find it. Need it for some discussion

@Chiillii if possible you could help me.

Either of you please it's urgent

Originally posted by: Chiillii

When Andhaka Vrishni and Bhoja Yadava moved to Dwarka. They were still a very loose confederation led by old Ugrasena. Kansa was a very strong king who had kept Bhoja (Kritaverma and family) Andhaka (Devaki's family) and Vrishnis ( Akrura, Vasudev, Satyaka (Satyaki's father) and Satrajit (Satyabhama's father) under check,

With Kansa's death Kritaverma and Akrura started eyeing the throne. One easy way was Satyabhama

Her father Satrajit was the Mr Ambani/Bill Gates and Warren Buffet rolled into one. He also had syamantak Mani Which apparently would keep on giving more money as you spend.

So Akrura, Kritaverma as well as his brother Shatadhanwa wanted to marry Satyabhama to get the Syamantak Mani.

Even Balram wanted the Mani, and Krishna too.

Because when the Mani goes missing along with Satrajit's brother who was wearing it, Krishna is accused of murdering him and taking the mani

One charachter is missing in this fight for Satyabhama that is Satyaki. He was little boy at the time so out of picture.

But Satyabhama in a twist of dramatic events ends up married to Krishna with Mani returned to Satrajit.

Everyone other than Krishna is pissed off, including Balram who remains quiet for the time being

When Krishna Balram and Satyaki are at Pandavas Lakshagriha funeral, Kritaverma, his brother Shatadhanwa and Akrura hatch a plan to take the Mani. Shatanandha kills Satarajit. Satyabhama finds out and runs to Krishna at Varnavrat.

He and Balram leave Satyaki there to complete the rituals and chase the three baddies.

Kritaverma hides, Akrura takes the Mani from Shatadhanwa quietly and runs away to his Mom's kingdom Kashi (Akrura's father was Ghar Jamai in Kashi).

Krishna catches up and kills Shatadhanwa but cannot find the Mani on him.

Eventually Balram and other Yadavas reach there. Balram had gone to get the army probably. When Krishna says I could not find the Mani, Balram doesn't believe him. He calls him a liar and decides to leave him and goes off to Mithila Of Sita fame (In some versions of Purana he has local princess married to him, so becomes Ghar Jamai for a while)

He also takes on Duryodhana as his disciple here to spite off Krishna. Balram Duryodhan friendship starts here and as Krishna moves towards Arjun Balram starts backing Duryodhana

After some time Krishna figures Akrura has the Mani. Vasudev, Hridika (Kritaverma and Shathadhanwa's father) make a deal and get Kritaverma and Balram back. Krishna then promises amnesty to Akrura and takes his sister Sundari/Sudeva as wife and/or daughter in law for Samba (conflicting mentions in different Puranas similar to Rukmini and Rukmavati) and makes him tell everyone that he had the Mani and not Krishna

But then to avoid Balram or Kritaverma gaining control of the Mani because Vasudev and Hridika were in cahoots now, Krishna smartly makes Akrura custodian of Mani and treasurer of Dwarka. Akrura since his daughter and or sister were already with Krishna was under his control..

During Yadava fratricide when Satyaki and Kritaverma start fighting Satyabhama adds fuel to the fire by reminding Pradyumna and Krishna how Kritaverma was part of the conspiracy to kill her father. Krishna does get angry but still holds on, Satyaki however beheads Kritaverma and gets beheaded by Kritaverma's clans men, Pradyumna already enraged goes after them with Samba and they both get killed by then Krishna is enraged and he starts killing everyone who comes his way. Satyabhama runs back to Dwarka with Uddhav I think

My head my headddd !!!!!!!!!!

Now i wonder if Krishna enjoyed even a moment's respite from these high voltage dramas !!! That also makes me think all the mythological shows we have been watching only showed half the truth or a redeemed version of truth. They absolutely hid many a things that might have taken away the credibility and divinity of certain characters for example Balraam(what he did to Yamuna)....too much whitewashing man !

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Why do some men do these things? Rape is a crime of power. He'd just realized he was a prince and was given partial credit for defeating Jarasandha's army though he was drunk as a skunk at the time, and it was Krishna who did the heavy work.

So money and power.

Balram went to visit Gokul. He called Yamuna to "sport" with him. She refused. So he did what he wanted, anyway.

She then lamented how will she return to her sisters as she'd be mocked. He said he didn't care where she went.

Krishna eventually married her.

If we think of this in natural not supernatural terms, a man cannot drag a river or marry her.

My best guess would be a woman who lived by the riverside.

(See bolded parts in citation below. You can see how violent it was. Also, plough is considered a euphemism for male equipment.)

Brahmavaivarta Purana doesn't make the pretense of calling her a river. In it, Balram was accused of calling his brother's wife to him constantly. Aniruddha tried to excuse it by saying it was because she was needed to help him bathe. Yup, a sister-in-law.

https://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_046.html

Holding the plough in his hand, strong like a snake and sparkling with the mace in the (other)

the intoxicated (balarAma), the best among the powerful, sparkled with his face swaying (due to intoxication), like moon swaying in the nights of cold season.

rAma told yamunA: O great river! I wish to take bath. O the one who goes to the sea! Come to me in your form.

Rejecting the words spoken by the intoxicated sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma), stupefied by her womanly nature, she did not go to that place.

Then the powerful (bala)rAma, stirred by intoxication, became angry. He took up the plough in his hand, keeping its point down, ready for dragging.

Then the garland of lotus flowers fell on earth. The flower buds were released and the water became red with the pollen of flowers.

Using the plough with its point down, (bala)rAma dragged the great river yamunA as though the river was a woman swerving from her duty.

The frightened river along with its perturbed water and many ponds deviated along the route made by the plough.

That river flowing forcefully in a curved manner as indicated by the plough was distressed like a woman, due to the fear of sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma).

With her banks similar to thighs, bimbAh (the fruit of the Momordica Monadelpha) as lips, splashing water and broken foam as her girdle, the river was distressed, as the water breached its banks.

According to Monier Williams

bibmAh: the fruit of the Momordica Monadelpha (to which the lips of women are often compared)

With the troubled rows of waves, having chakravAka (Anas Casarca) birds as her breasts, splendorous with her fast flowing currents, decorated by the distressed fish,

along with groups of swans, with a loose dress of linen of grass, her beautiful hair of trees on her banks, with the distressed flow of water,

angry, due to the plough tearing her limbs, the river going to the sea, like an intoxicated dishonest woman, who goes along the royal path,

was dragged quickly with force. Her currents diverted before, she was re-routed through the forest of vR^indAvana.

The river yamunA, brought to the middle of vR^indAvana forest , full of sounds of aquatic birds, appeared like crying.

The great river yamunA, breaching the forest of vR^indAvana, taking the form of a woman told bala(rAma):

(yamunA said): O lord! Be pleased. I am afraid due to my opposing action. My aquatic form is also getting diverted.

O son of rohiNi (balarAma)! You made me unchaste among rivers. O the one with great arms! By dragging I have diverted from my route.

My fast co-wives will reach the sea quickly before me, If my route is diverted, I will be laughed at by the water foams.

O valiant! Be pleased with me. O elder brother of kR^iShNa, I appeal to you. O the best among deva-s, Be pleased always with me.

I was dragged by the plough. Please refrain from the anger.

O the one with plough as weapon! I keep my head on your feet (I surrender to you). O the one with great arms! I wish to go along the route directed by you.

vaishampAyana said:

The one with plough as weapon (balarAma) saw the river yamunA surrendering to him. Exhausted with intoxication, he spoke these words to the bride of ocean:

(balarAma said:) O beautiful at sight! Auspicious lady! Kindly give water at all places along the route indicated by my plough.

O one with beautiful brows! This is my order to you, who goes to the ocean. O illustrious woman! Be calm. You can now proceed as you wish.

If you read between the lines,you can totally understand it wasn't dragging the river with a plough ! He brutally tortured her. Krishna did no justice to her simply by marrying. He was supposed to establish Dharma. Ironically he couldn't do the same in his own household. What was refraining him back ? Attachment with his brother or the fear of upsetting other Yadavas ?? Even after being his wife,she was not safe from the lusty glare of Balraam. My heart was literally bleeding while reading your post. This world was never safe for a woman it still is not and unfortunately will never be. Here sexual abuse is considered strength. A woman is deemed subservient naturally because she has a vagina. Wow. 💔

Swastik circus team have already committed innumerable sins form the word go but in my opinion thay have reached the Pinnacle of it by butchering Lakshmana. How on Earth they even thought to show a rape victim avenging the death of another rapist/molester ??? I read somewhere that not Krishna but Lakshmana was the one who helped Draupadi in dyutsabha. She even criticised her father for that shameful act.

She was a victim !!! These jokers have no sympathy. How can you possibly show Lakshmana as a downright vamp daughter-in-law ? Poor thing suffered enough in her lifetime. I hope these sinners will pay the price of disrespecting the divinity.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hi HearMeRoar. Do you remember we had once discussed that many kuru vadhus had committed suicide after Mahabharatha war. Could you share the citation for that? I am not able to find it. Need it for some discussion

@Chiillii if possible you could help me.

Either of you please it's urgent

@Chhiillli @HearMeRoar

Please help

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

@Chhiillli @HearMeRoar

Please help

CE Chapter 1972 (41) Putradarshana Parva

‘The great sage was still standing in the water. He was devoted to dharma and immensely energetic,engaged in the welfare of the Kurus. When all of them had gone, he spoke to the kshatriya ladies whohad lost their husbands. “Let the best among women who desire the worlds obtained by their husbandsswiftly and faithfully immerse themselves in the waters of the Jahnavi.” Hearing those words, thosebeautiful women behaved faithfully. Obeying their father-in-law, they entered the waters of theJahnavi. O lord of the earth! All those virtuous women were freed from their human bodies anddeparted with their husbands. In this way, all those virtuous women of the lineage entered the water,were freed and went to the worlds obtained by their husbands. They had divine forms. They wereadorned in divine ornaments. There were divine garments and garlands. They went where theirhusbands were. They were spirited and possessed good conduct. All of them possessed all the goodqualities. Freed from sin, they vanished and obtained their own respective abodes. V

Originally posted by: Krishnpriya

If you read between the lines,you can totally understand it wasn't dragging the river with a plough ! He brutally tortured her. Krishna did no justice to her simply by marrying. He was supposed to establish Dharma. Ironically he couldn't do the same in his own household. What was refraining him back ? Attachment with his brother or the fear of upsetting other Yadavas ?? Even after being his wife,she was not safe from the lusty glare of Balraam. My heart was literally bleeding while reading your post. This world was never safe for a woman it still is not and unfortunately will never be. Here sexual abuse is considered strength. A woman is deemed subservient naturally because she has a vagina. Wow. 💔

I've thought about it a while. Balram was the only one Krishna had left of his childhood. After killing of Kamsa, Jarasandha kept attacking. Finally, Vasudeva asked Krishna to get out. Yup, a father did that. Balram was the only one who stuck with Krishna. With Parasu Ram's help, they went into hiding and eventually defeated Jarasandha.

Then, Vasudev, Krishna’s FATHER, said this: Theking who has the six qualities is capable of understanding the essence of themeaning of advices. kR^iShNa! All that is told by vikadru with intelligence iswith principles and acceptable. vikadru spoke about the duties of the kingand the truth in the interest of the people. O the best among yAdava-s,please do whatever is acceptable.

This is Krishna’s response: At this time, I, along with my brother, powerfulbut acting like weak, will leave, for protecting our lives

mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_039.html (mahabharata-resources.org)

Psychologically speaking, a human Krishna wouldn't be able to bring himself to disown Balram, let alone kill him. Even to the end, Krishna was begging Balram to talk to him. Balram refused to say a word at the moment of his death. he was that much of a *******

Deification of Krishna as Avatar of Vishnu made people white wash him as well as people around him.

How can God's brother or son be a rapist and he not doing anything about it.

So you make the woman a river and show the rapist doing divine Leela.

Or

Like in the serial RK, make the rape victim Lakshmana a vamp so that if at all people realise that she had been assaulted they will blame her (she deserved it).

You have seen this already with Draupadi,

Vyasa did not put Andhe ka Putra Andha or ' Naham Varami Sutam' or like Sid tewary did a Shastraharan of Kouravas and Karna. These were all similar whitewashings done

Karna had the misfortune of not being Krishna's brother otherwise he would have had a temple for him at Puri.

But he gets whitewashed enough in any case as the poor abandoned rejected awesome hero who only gave Draupadi what she deserved.

We wouldn't have known these if not for Vyasa who sneakily uses poetic metaphor to bring the truth out.

He states facts as is through similes and metaphors and leaves it on the wisdom of people to read and form their own opinions

Unfortunately Hindus never read their own epics Mahabharata Ramayana and other Puranas. They listen to their grandmother watch TV shows and read fan fictions and form their opinions.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

CE Chapter 1972 (41) Putradarshana Parva

‘The great sage was still standing in the water. He was devoted to dharma and immensely energetic,engaged in the welfare of the Kurus. When all of them had gone, he spoke to the kshatriya ladies whohad lost their husbands. “Let the best among women who desire the worlds obtained by their husbandsswiftly and faithfully immerse themselves in the waters of the Jahnavi.” Hearing those words, thosebeautiful women behaved faithfully. Obeying their father-in-law, they entered the waters of theJahnavi. O lord of the earth! All those virtuous women were freed from their human bodies anddeparted with their husbands. In this way, all those virtuous women of the lineage entered the water,were freed and went to the worlds obtained by their husbands. They had divine forms. They wereadorned in divine ornaments. There were divine garments and garlands. They went where theirhusbands were. They were spirited and possessed good conduct. All of them possessed all the goodqualities. Freed from sin, they vanished and obtained their own respective abodes. V

Thankyou so much dear. Needed this and was looking for it since long