Values shouldn't change no matter the person

Hello All!

I assume none of you know me unless we’ve met in a previous forum). I’m generally not somebody who posts a lot (this is proved by the fact that my last post on IF was a year ago).

Today, a friend of mine opened my eyes and drove me to make this post. What she said was that “There’s no difference between Riddhima and Vansh.” A very simple statement. But, my automatic reaction was “Are you kidding me? Can’t you see he’s the player, she’s the pawn/dice/pillow?” But, friend’s words did make me start to contemplate.

Let me try to give a bit of background to this conversation. A lot of my friends and I have been watching Ishq Mein Marjawan 2 since the very beginning (I was drawn to it because it promised to have a different content – a romantic thriller). We tend to discuss and analyse the episodes after all of us have watched them. After the episode that aired day before yesterday, I was disheartened by Vansh’s actions (especially because I’d liked the portrayal of his character by the actor). My friend said I’m seeing only one side of the coin. My natural instinct was to argue and say “What is wrong is wrong!” I went further to state “Right to life includes right to dignity and Vansh was encroaching upon that”. I was agitated. How could Vansh do that to his beloved Riddhu (sorry, Rrahul for borrowing your endearment here), that too without her consent? I’d not considered that my words would come to bite/haunt me, that too this early. Why I say that. Riddhima (someone whose never give up attitude I’ve come to admire) today did the same. For what she thought was the right thing, she struck an innocent soul (the nurse). She in her mind apologised to the unconscious nurse, and by her actions proved that she too believes that the ends justify the means. What I still hadn’t realized was that this was not something that she was doing for the first time. My friend then said something which I had forgotten. Riddhima had struck Angre unconscious in order as she wanted to prove herself right when she’d been asked by Vansh to leave mansion (after the burning of Uma’s portrait fiasco).

I enjoy good fictions which include the genre of thrillers or adventures (my personal favourites being murder mysteries in books). An all time favourite character, detective Hercule Poirot has taught me that what is right is right and we should stand up for it. Today, my friend’s viewpoint made me think a bit more. I realized that Vansh and Riddhima are perhaps doing the same thing – fighting for what they believe is right. Vansh in my eyes was wrong to paralyse Riddhima (without her consent)and so was Riddhima when she struck an innocent bystander unconscious (without her consent). If I cannot condone Vansh’s action, I can’t be a hypocrite and condone/pardon Riddhima’s actions.

I also realized today that in the name of women’s rights, sometimes I’ve been a bit quick to judge some male characters. I’ve sometimes justified Maya (Mehrotra/ Jaisingh)’s actions (in Beyhadh 1/ 2),though I refused to give the same scope to Vansh day before yesterday and for that I stand corrected. If it was possible I would like to convey apologies to Vansh for not giving him the same chances I seem to give a lot of other characters. Vansh, over the years I’ve attempted to be a neutral viewer, and I’m sorry I wasn’t so with your character a lot of times.

I know a lot of you would think differently. That’s the beauty of life. We all have different perspectives and values and believe me I do respect those of each one of you. I hope a few of the members of this always-buzzing forum would like reading this post (whether they agree or disagree with the content). This post was meant to make a few of you think on a different line and nothing else. Do let me know your take or if my ramblings don’t make any sense.

I am not a writer by trade. And I do apologize to all of you for making such a long post, which you might find boring to read.

With warm wishes

Priya

Very good point. In fact I was thinking the same too after watching yesterday's precap.

Riddhima is harming innocents as well to achieve her own means. And she has immense regret for that too...which is y today she told Kabir not to harm Ragini's nurse.

Perhaps she was right afterall when she said during garba...Hum dono ek jaise hi hain Vansh.

Maybe there's more meaning to those words than one.

Originally posted by: determination

Hello All!

I assume none of you know me unless we’ve met in a previous forum). I’m generally not somebody who posts a lot (this is proved by the fact that my last post on IF was a year ago).

Today, a friend of mine opened my eyes and drove me to make this post. What she said was that “There’s no difference between Riddhima and Vansh.” A very simple statement. But, my automatic reaction was “Are you kidding me? Can’t you see he’s the player, she’s the pawn/dice/pillow?” But, friend’s words did make me start to contemplate.

Let me try to give a bit of background to this conversation. A lot of my friends and I have been watching Ishq Mein Marjawan 2 since the very beginning (I was drawn to it because it promised to have a different content – a romantic thriller). We tend to discuss and analyse the episodes after all of us have watched them. After the episode that aired day before yesterday, I was disheartened by Vansh’s actions (especially because I’d liked the portrayal of his character by the actor). My friend said I’m seeing only one side of the coin. My natural instinct was to argue and say “What is wrong is wrong!” I went further to state “Right to life includes right to dignity and Vansh was encroaching upon that”. I was agitated. How could Vansh do that to his beloved Riddhu (sorry, Rrahul for borrowing your endearment here), that too without her consent? I’d not considered that my words would come to bite/haunt me, that too this early. Why I say that. Riddhima (someone whose never give up attitude I’ve come to admire) today did the same. For what she thought was the right thing, she struck an innocent soul (the nurse). She in her mind apologised to the unconscious nurse, and by her actions proved that she too believes that the ends justify the means. What I still hadn’t realized was that this was not something that she was doing for the first time. My friend then said something which I had forgotten. Riddhima had struck Angre unconscious in order as she wanted to prove herself right when she’d been asked by Vansh to leave mansion (after the burning of Uma’s portrait fiasco).

I enjoy good fictions which include the genre of thrillers or adventures (my personal favourites being murder mysteries in books). An all time favourite character, detective Hercule Poirot has taught me that what is right is right and we should stand up for it. Today, my friend’s viewpoint made me think a bit more. I realized that Vansh and Riddhima are perhaps doing the same thing – fighting for what they believe is right. Vansh in my eyes was wrong to paralyse Riddhima (without her consent)and so was Riddhima when she struck an innocent bystander unconscious (without her consent). If I cannot condone Vansh’s action, I can’t be a hypocrite and condone/pardon Riddhima’s actions.

I also realized today that in the name of women’s rights, sometimes I’ve been a bit quick to judge some male characters. I’ve sometimes justified Maya (Mehrotra/ Jaisingh)’s actions (in Beyhadh 1/ 2),though I refused to give the same scope to Vansh day before yesterday and for that I stand corrected. If it was possible I would like to convey apologies to Vansh for not giving him the same chances I seem to give a lot of other characters. Vansh, over the years I’ve attempted to be a neutral viewer, and I’m sorry I wasn’t so with your character a lot of times.

I know a lot of you would think differently. That’s the beauty of life. We all have different perspectives and values and believe me I do respect those of each one of you. I hope a few of the members of this always-buzzing forum would like reading this post (whether they agree or disagree with the content). This post was meant to make a few of you think on a different line and nothing else. Do let me know your take or if my ramblings don’t make any sense.

I am not a writer by trade. And I do apologize to all of you for making such a long post, which you might find boring to read.

With warm wishes

Priya

I don't know if Ridzi & Vansh can be measured on the same level as per your post.Whether as a neutral viewer or let's say another kind of viewer(for/against) whatever Vansh does or whatever even Ridzi did today can be said to be either right or wrong depending on the situation at hand.

Ridzi if u can remember & watched the recent episodes was ready to move on ahead in her life with Vansh.Infact perhaps she has started loving Vansh but was Vansh clear regarding Ragini's truth?Agreed perhaps hitting that Nurse or Aangre would not look right but what do u expect her to do? Protest or sit on a fast to protect Ragini.Ridzi had tried to tell about her spy truth twice to Vansh floored by his concern for her since she started trusting him but it was Vansh who silenced her with his over-arching love then.

Why is Vansh's feelings so fickle when it comes to Ridzi? If Ridzi chose Kabir today-Farz over Pyaar then she alone cannot be blamed for the same.Vansh inspite of being the Mastermind could not figure out D Souza's death and accepted the fake medical reports provided by his evil foster mom Anupriya readily.

Since the say Ridzi entered VR's house there have been one after another attacks on her.Whom should we blame-circumstances or Ridzi gullibleness that she accepted this mission in the first place without thinking?

Kabir is a manipulator & he will manipulate Ridzi till Vansh continues to be this stubborn cold-hearted Mafia.Today also when push comes to shove Ridzi has proved that her brain can work too against the Mastermind specially that pouring that sugar in the petrol/diesel-tank of VR's car or getting Ragini out safely with the assistance of that snake Kabir.

Vansh could never find out who or what caused these attacks on his wife inspite of promising to find out the perpetrators? His threats have been empty rhetoric to say the least.Whether it was Aryan or Anu anybody could come into the VR Mansion & hurt Ridzi as per their own convenience huh.

Vansh readily forgets when hurting Ridzi with that Paralyzing Serum or while throwing her into the grave that she is his damn wife.I understand that Ridzi has blinkers on her eyes & only sees one side of the person with respect to anybody whether its Vansh or Kabir.But has Vansh made any serious attempts to accept Ridzi as his own mate?

No being the Mafia he prefers to stay away from her scared of the past betrayals of Ragini & falsely assuming that staying away from her would protect Ridzi whereas the reverse thing happens-Ridzi gets hurt.

If Ridzi is unable to figure out the things then she will go to only one ally she trusts-that fake Kabir bcoz every family member with the exception of Daadi & Siya despise her presence.Vansh cannot leave her in the lurch like this bcoz he married her & both of them whether they wanna admit or not are bind in a married relationship.

I have no issues with Vansh being the Mastermind bcoz that's what we all love to see but let him be the Mastermind for others not for her.

Originally posted by: masked

I don't know if Ridzi & Vansh can be measured on the same level as per your post.Whether as a neutral viewer or let's say another kind of viewer(for/against) whatever Vansh does or whatever even Ridzi did today can be said to be either right or wrong depending on the situation at hand.

Ridzi if u can remember & watched the recent episodes was ready to move on ahead in her life with Vansh.Infact perhaps she has started loving Vansh but was Vansh clear regarding Ragini's truth?Agreed perhaps hitting that Nurse or Aangre would not look right but what do u expect her to do? Protest or sit on a fast to protect Ragini.Ridzi had tried to tell about her spy truth twice to Vansh floored by his concern for her since she started trusting him but it was Vansh who silenced her with his over-arching love then.

Why is Vansh's feelings so fickle when it comes to Ridzi? If Ridzi chose Kabir today-Farz over Pyaar then she alone cannot be blamed for the same.Vansh inspite of being the Mastermind could not figure out D Souza's death and accepted the fake medical reports provided by his evil foster mom Anupriya readily.

Since the say Ridzi entered VR's house there have been one after another attacks on her.Whom should we blame-circumstances or Ridzi gullibleness that she accepted this mission in the first place without thinking?

Kabir is a manipulator & he will manipulate Ridzi till Vansh continues to be this stubborn cold-hearted Mafia.Today also when push comes to shove Ridzi has proved that her brain can work too against the Mastermind specially that pouring that sugar in the petrol/diesel-tank of VR's car or getting Ragini out safely with the assistance of that snake Kabir.

Vansh could never find out who or what caused these attacks on his wife inspite of promising to find out the perpetrators? His threats have been empty rhetoric to say the least.Whether it was Aryan or Anu anybody could come into the VR Mansion & hurt Ridzi as per their own convenience huh.

Vansh readily forgets when hurting Ridzi with that Paralyzing Serum or while throwing her into the grave that she is his damn wife.I understand that Ridzi has blinkers on her eyes & only sees one side of the person with respect to anybody whether its Vansh or Kabir.But has Vansh made any serious attempts to accept Ridzi as his own mate?

No being the Mafia he prefers to stay away from her scared of the past betrayals of Ragini & falsely assuming that staying away from her would protect Ridzi whereas the reverse thing happens-Ridzi gets hurt.

If Ridzi is unable to figure out the things then she will go to only one ally she trusts-that fake Kabir bcoz every family member with the exception of Daadi & Siya despise her presence.Vansh cannot leave her in the lurch like this bcoz he married her & both of them whether they wanna admit or not are bind in a married relationship.

I have no issues with Vansh being the Mastermind bcoz that's what we all love to see but let him be the Mastermind for others not for her.

Well said I thought I won't write here I could not stop myself to write

In simple words Vansh cares ridhima till she dances on his tune and today whatever happened with him he was the sole responsible for it he showed ridhima again and again that he is going to kill ragini aur I think koi bhi wife nahi chehegi ki uska husband murder kare and he pushed her to go against him

Desclaimer- ye meri opinion hai aur iska kisi ke agree aur disagree se koi sambandh nahi hai

Great Post 👍🏼

It is something I too have noticed several times and today it was clearly proved by the writers that there is no difference in riddhima and vansh. Only their ideologies differ other than that they are in deed a very katranak couple, I can imagine fireworks exploding the day when these two team up 😆

Originally posted by: amritat

Very good point. In fact I was thinking the same too after watching yesterday's precap.

Riddhima is harming innocents as well to achieve her own means. And she has immense regret for that too...which is y today she told Kabir not to harm Ragini's nurse.

Perhaps she was right afterall when she said during garba...Hum dono ek jaise hi hain Vansh.

Maybe there's more meaning to those words than one.

Thank you so much for your reply.

I actually agree with your point to a large extent. It made me think whether Vansh also felt bad about paralyzing Riddhima (he for sure hasn't regretted his action)...it was definitely his last resort in that situation.

I even tried to determine whether Riddhima regrets her action. Does regret mean we won't do the same thing if we are put in a similar position? For me it does. I'm sure Riddhima will not stop from knocking out another bystander temporarily if she thought her intention was bonafide and just. It's just another food for thought.

Originally posted by: Roudy1

Great Post 👍🏼

It is something I too have noticed several times and today it was clearly proved by the writers that there is no difference in riddhima and vansh. Only their ideologies differ other than that they are in deed a very katranak couple, I can imagine fireworks exploding the day when these two team up 😆

I am waiting for that day - when they team up for a mission.

- I would like to see both of them working on same mission with different ways/perspectives / tassan !

Originally posted by: masked

I don't know if Ridzi & Vansh can be measured on the same level as per your post.Whether as a neutral viewer or let's say another kind of viewer(for/against) whatever Vansh does or whatever even Ridzi did today can be said to be either right or wrong depending on the situation at hand.

Ridzi if u can remember & watched the recent episodes was ready to move on ahead in her life with Vansh.Infact perhaps she has started loving Vansh but was Vansh clear regarding Ragini's truth?Agreed perhaps hitting that Nurse or Aangre would not look right but what do u expect her to do? Protest or sit on a fast to protect Ragini.Ridzi had tried to tell about her spy truth twice to Vansh floored by his concern for her since she started trusting him but it was Vansh who silenced her with his over-arching love then.

Why is Vansh's feelings so fickle when it comes to Ridzi? If Ridzi chose Kabir today-Farz over Pyaar then she alone cannot be blamed for the same.Vansh inspite of being the Mastermind could not figure out D Souza's death and accepted the fake medical reports provided by his evil foster mom Anupriya readily.

Since the say Ridzi entered VR's house there have been one after another attacks on her.Whom should we blame-circumstances or Ridzi gullibleness that she accepted this mission in the first place without thinking?

Kabir is a manipulator & he will manipulate Ridzi till Vansh continues to be this stubborn cold-hearted Mafia.Today also when push comes to shove Ridzi has proved that her brain can work too against the Mastermind specially that pouring that sugar in the petrol/diesel-tank of VR's car or getting Ragini out safely with the assistance of that snake Kabir.

Vansh could never find out who or what caused these attacks on his wife inspite of promising to find out the perpetrators? His threats have been empty rhetoric to say the least.Whether it was Aryan or Anu anybody could come into the VR Mansion & hurt Ridzi as per their own convenience huh.

Vansh readily forgets when hurting Ridzi with that Paralyzing Serum or while throwing her into the grave that she is his damn wife.I understand that Ridzi has blinkers on her eyes & only sees one side of the person with respect to anybody whether its Vansh or Kabir.But has Vansh made any serious attempts to accept Ridzi as his own mate?

No being the Mafia he prefers to stay away from her scared of the past betrayals of Ragini & falsely assuming that staying away from her would protect Ridzi whereas the reverse thing happens-Ridzi gets hurt.

If Ridzi is unable to figure out the things then she will go to only one ally she trusts-that fake Kabir bcoz every family member with the exception of Daadi & Siya despise her presence.Vansh cannot leave her in the lurch like this bcoz he married her & both of them whether they wanna admit or not are bind in a married relationship.

I have no issues with Vansh being the Mastermind bcoz that's what we all love to see but let him be the Mastermind for others not for her.

Thank you so much for your reply.

@Bold: I absolutely agree with this point of yours.

Truthfully, currently, I can't justify either Vansh or Riddhima's actions (though I absolutely enjoy the two lead actors' portrayals of their respective roles). After thinking a lot, I realized that paralysing Riddhima (temporarily) is as harmful as striking someone completely unconnected and ovlivious on their heads...as both actions can have unforeseen and dire consequences. My initial post was actually absolutely on this point.

As you've expressed your views on other points as well, I'll try to share my views not restricting to the topic at hand. I personally find the emotional manipulation that Vansh puts Riddhima under to be more dangerous and strainuous for the poor girl. That said, I personally think that though Riddhima was (and is) definitely in love with Vansh, she was (and still is) not ready to move on "with the Vansh as he is". Till now Riddhima has not reached the stage where she is ready to accept Vansh as he is (maybe, she will later on, maybe she'll never be ready to do so). Riddhima has never given the benefit of doubt to Vansh. She always needed proof. If I love someone and am ready to accept someone, I'll be ready to do so with his/her flaws. For me, Riddhima has not reached that stage.

Another thing that comes to mind - is about really knowing a person. Riddhima doesn't know the Vansh who she claims to love. If she knew - she would think once why Vansh utters words like "I'll close Ragini's chapter once and for all" (similar to words he used before when he broke the statute and performed Ragini's last rites in order to signify a new start to his married life) and not words like "I'll kill Ragini".

However, I agree on your take on Vansh. Vansh does not trust his wife too (with valid reasons. She clearly accepts that she spies on him). He may in his heart know that Riddhima is actually innocent, but he has never allowed his heart to rule over his head. Another point of yours that I agree upon is that he acts sharp only when it suits him. I fully believe that as a husband, it was his duty to pursue a few different avenues regarding the attacks on his or his wife's persons and that he let go off the matter too easily, in my view.

It is the responsibility of both spouses to protect each other - and at the cost of repeating myself, I believe both have failed to do so in numerous occasions (knowingly or unknowingly).

Finally, I would once again like to thank you for writing such a detailed reply to my post. It was encouraging to see someone do so.

Originally posted by: rachufan

Well said I thought I won't write here I could not stop myself to write

In simple words Vansh cares ridhima till she dances on his tune and today whatever happened with him he was the sole responsible for it he showed ridhima again and again that he is going to kill ragini aur I think koi bhi wife nahi chehegi ki uska husband murder kare and he pushed her to go against him

Desclaimer- ye meri opinion hai aur iska kisi ke agree aur disagree se koi sambandh nahi hai

Thank you so much for your reply.

@Bold: I'm really glad you chose to write [even though, it was as an extension of the previous post made by another author (I'm sorry, I don't know any of your names)].

I respect your point of view (though, it's different from mine to a large extent). For me, both Vansh and Riddhima have failed to accept each other in their entireties. I think even Riddhima accepts Vansh only when he suits her definition of being a good and virtuous human being. I think she realizes that Vansh is very sharp, but she still fails to realize that his words can have double meaning. If I as an audience can wonder why Vansh utters words like "ending Ragini's chapter" (and what can be the hidden meaning behind it), in my view so should Riddhima. We audiences know almost as much about Vansh as Riddhima does [Vansh comes in our 'dil' (hearts) and not in our 'samajh' (understanding)]. (Please forgive me for my rotten Hindi).

That said, at the cost of being cliche - I'll say "tali ek haath se nahi bajhti". Vansh has also not taken any step (as far as we know) to understand why Riddhima is spying on him. He suspected she was a spy, conveniently forgot the fact when he fell in love (and I believe he actually did fall in love) and then remembered it again. Also, I keep wondering what was the whole purpose behind telling Riddhima the exact time when he was going to close Ragini's chapter, if not to test her loyalties. He acted too sure of himself and failed in his motive (as it looks right now, makers might bring in a twist later on).

I hope I've been able to express my disappointment with both the characters at present. I guess I can go on and on, but let me not...

Once again, thank you for sharing your views.

Yes, I'm amused by riddhima's hypocrisy. Here she shouts on vansh saying tum rakshas ho haiwan ho..... And what not

But is responsible for injuring (innocent) people including siya (though that scene wasn't shown)

Gets easily manipulated by Kabir but when vansh shows care and concerns gives him full on tashan

I really really disliked the Riddhima from RiAnsh newly married days, ohhh the hypocrisy she showed towards vansh while playing with the emotions of his family including dadi🤪