The victim blaming is reaching dangerous levels now - Page 4

Originally posted by: Picasso9

False equivalencies are false equivalencies.

So if Sana was silent and mucking about earlier in the day with him then it’s alright to assault her. So by that logic a prostitute cannot claim rape because she’s a prostitute.

There are two different scenarios

1) Sana hitting Sid all day.Pulling his hair.Hitting him with chappals. Then hugging him as well.

2) Sid threatening Sana the way he did

One scenario doesn't justify the other. Sid is not justified because Sana was behaving violently herself. Neither Sana is justified in her behaviour. Both Sana and Sid in their own scenarios are wrong.If we calling Sana as a victim in second scenario then we are ignoring the first scenario in which she was violent herself. Violence of any degree in any relationship cant be taken lightly. Whether violence is of a higher degree or lower degree.

Originally posted by: Picasso9

Yes! The two participants are not equal.in stature. It’s like trump and the Ukraine president. Trump could withhold military aid as extortion for Ukraine President’s cooperation to investigate trumps political rival. Similarly, Sana has seen the favors Shukla enjoys from the channel and visiting celebrities sucking up to him. Even if she wanted to complain, she’s had it shoved down her throat about what a big opportunity and launching pad bb platform is. She constantly remind other housemates to be grateful, do their chores and not break BB belongings. So it’s not far fetched to think that this girl protests against the channels star but not in the way we would like.

I like your analogy. Shukla too like Trump, sh*ts on his own game the moment he opens his mouth.

But yes, the power gap between their equation is very clear. Gauhar had a presence in the industry that sana lacks. She is receiving her cues from Salman and the guests and based on that feedback this 'nok-jhok' is working.

I realize that she is enabling this behaviour by not speaking out. But the platform she is at, is by no way supportive of a woman taking a stand against the star of the narrative. If the host is not willing to listen to a celebrated tv actress like Rashmi, who has worked with him in the past, then Sana has no chance either. And even it works, it still comes with the potential risk of dismantling this newly developed fan following of hers from all around India.

I am sure, had this been real life, she would have given back strongly.

You know what's the biggest problem here.

The channel itself.

COLORS TV is the problem.

They are terming it as "cute nok jhok". If they are in a relationship, it is a toxic one.

Instead of reprimanding both of them, they will laugh about it on weekend. They are cashing on their problems which run deeper than the channel is willing to accept.

I am sorry, if you are in a relationship, hitting each other is not normal.

It is not about ego, it is about self respect.

Shukla should have avoided Shehnaaz like a plague after she hit him with a chappal.

Shehnaaz should have stopped chipkoying to Sid, after he threatened her and she had a nervous breakdown.

They both might love each other but they clearly don't respect each other. A relationship requires alot more than love to work.

For god sake stop this SidNaaz drama. Separate them from each other. Stop normalising this behaviour.

In a country where number of people who are already in unhappy and abusive relationships is alarming and people still consider a taboo to talk about mental trauma, glorification of such behaviour is not required.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

No one is saying that. Let me try to explain.

There are two different scenarios

1) Sana hitting Sid all day.Pulling his hair.Hitting him with chappals. Then hugging him as well.

2) Sid threatening Sana the way he did

One scenario doesn't justify the other. Sid is not justified because Sana was behaving violently herself. Neither Sana is justified in her behaviour. Both Sana and Sid in their own scenarios are wrong.If we calling Sana as a victim in second scenario then we are ignoring the first scenario in which she was violent herself. Violence of any degree in any relationship cant be taken lightly. Whether violence is of a higher degree or lower degree.

Let ME explain to you.

Yes there are two different scenarios.

1. All day Sid was provoking Sana and irritating her. She didn’t just hit him, throw chappals or pull his hair in reaction. She was also hugging him. When she hit him and pulled his hair he was smiling and taking like a joke and kept on provoking in return. She also kept on telling him clearly to stop but 40 year old man does not know his limits with person half his age.

2. Later in the day, he used the one word ‘jealous’ that served as a catalyst for Sana. She didn’t hit him, she was fed up by then. All she said was, you don’t want me to talk about the shit between you and Rashmi and he went ballistic.

He cornered her, put her in a chokehold and also held her down with his knee while he intentionally and seriously threatened her.

She screamed stop, it hurts. You’re hurting me. But he kept a sustained pressure on her and then released.

It is most definitely a false equivalency between two scenarios. Because context is important. First case, he set the bar at nok jokh.

Second case, he raised the bar at aggravated assault and threats. Don’t be too surprised if he doesn’t start slu* shaming her to buy her silence.

There are degrees of violence and there are justifications for violence like self preservation/defense. So a general comment that all violence is wrong is incorrect.

Originally posted by: Picasso9

Yes. Discrediting the victim is their only defense.

Firstly he is wrong. If he can threaten and be violent in front of so many cameras, what is he capable of in private. Just because Sana did not protest, does that mean we should condone what we can see and hear ourselves, then shame on all the ‘apologists’. He is a f*cking 40 year old man. He should know how far to take a joke and when to quit. Regardless of what interaction they had earlier in the day, the B*stard should listen when someone says enough is enough. Bdsm participants have a safe word. Sana was screaming for him to stop but he kept on prodding.

Just the mere mention of Rashmi’s name brought out this violent reaction and arseholes are talking about this being a small Clio that’s out of context.

No wonder Eve teasing, acid attacks and rape is out of hand in India. Wake up arseholes who are demanding apology for this arsehole. The nirbhaya case has reached a sentencing verdict. Go refresh yourselves on it. Chapaak has s releasing soon .....go educate yourselves on arseholes like that and see if an apology will make a difference to those girls’ lives.

I partially agree with you see all the parties involved are wrong in it be it sid,sana,people on sm promoting sidnaaz and lastly chanel it's not solely one person mistake I solely agree with gauhar she doesn't has her own self respect even though she has said no she herself has given liberty in national tv she was pulling his hair,throwing sandals at him and even what madhu did to vishal is no less in india men suffer too even they lose their life in fake dowry case done by women I'm a women too and I believe in fair judgment and its not only sana he has disrespected and misbehave everyone in the show isn't it channel duty to evict him and isn't it viewer responsibility to not watch this kind of show and people supporting sidnaaz romance show how people love violent behaviour and films like kabir singh even girls to loved that movie some women in india are confusing like aarti and sana and these two are degrading women and encouraging men like shukla to speak ill to them and run back to him for sake of game and regarding chappak movie the protagonist laxmi aggarwal is a strong woman to show her face I salute and respect her where as both sana and aarti less speak of them better and please I can never support sana it was sana who told smoking women get divorced,in unseen and undekha sana told to rashmi ghar mai kitni gaali do bhar pati ko bhagwan samjho and lastly it was sana who told in mahira vs sid fight that if you know man is aggressive you should not have gone near him in task.

Originally posted by: S2590

I partially agree with you see all the parties involved are wrong in it be it sid,sana,people on sm promoting sidnaaz and lastly chanel it's not solely one person mistake I solely agree with gauhar she doesn't has her own self respect even though she has said no she herself has given liberty in national tv she was pulling his hair,throwing sandals at him and even what madhu did to vishal is no less in india men suffer too even they lose their life in fake dowry case done by women I'm a women too and I believe in fair judgment and its not only sana he has disrespected and misbehave everyone in the show isn't it channel duty to evict him and isn't it viewer responsibility to not watch this kind of show and people supporting sidnaaz romance show how people love violent behaviour and films like kabir singh even girls to loved that movie some women in india are confusing like aarti and sana and these two are degrading women and encouraging men like shukla to speak ill to them and run back to him for sake of game and regarding chappak movie the protagonist laxmi aggarwal is a strong woman to show her face I salute and respect her where as both sana and aarti less speak of them better and please I can never support sana it was sana who told smoking women get divorced,in unseen and undekha sana told to rashmi ghar mai kitni gaali do bhar pati ko bhagwan samjho and lastly it was sana who told in mahira vs sid fight that if you know man is aggressive you should not have gone near him in task.

Sorry man. I would love to respond to you with more substance but I’m having difficulty reading this due to the complete prevalence of run on sentences separated only by commas.

Sorry once again.

Originally posted by: Picasso9

Sorry man. I would love to respond to you with more substance but I’m having difficulty reading this due to the complete prevalence of run on sentences separated only by commas.

Sorry once again.

It's ok I understand😊

Ppl will Stand for Sana if she herself calls out Sid on his behaviour. If she's fine why should we become Aarti Abdullah and interfere unnecessarily?

Victim Blaming? How is she a victim if her consent is there? She's ok and hugging him ?

I agree completely

Yes shehanz was wrong. But the onus of shuklas actions lie only and only on him. Not on sana

Originally posted by: mamta.vineet

I agree completely

Yes shehanz was wrong. But the onus of shuklas actions lie only and only on him. Not on sana

Exactly , well said

The onus of ones actions rests on them.and not on others. What Shukla did was wrong irrespective of what Sana's actions are.

The blame is on channel too