Night Before the Dawn chapter 2(a) pg 4 3

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Intriguing prologue. Makes me think what really happened that night. It doesn't look like what arnav's friend is implying.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Index


Chapter 1 on page 3

Chapter 2(a) on page 4

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It's still rape right? I mean penetrating a girl when she is unconscious, ALMOST DYING (In such cases you call an ambulance, not rape her). Rape can not be justified in any way, I hope you are not planning to. It is sad though, traits of villains are now becoming traits of the heroes. I can't read this further, not because I like to keep my eyes shut to everything that is unfair, rather because the unfair is justified because the hero does it. Whether a man is subjected to rape or a woman, whether the hero does or an anti-hero, it is absolutely unjustifiable. I am not going to read further but I do hope Arnav is punished and Khushi doesn't have to end up loving/marrying Arnav as in the Rakshasha form of ancient Indian marriage where a girl is raped/abducted simply because the man likes her and it was perfectly permissible (Which is still practiced in certain tribal areas of India by the way). Because it implies rape or any meaningless violence towards another human being is okay when it is not.
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Originally posted by: luv_panipuri

It's still rape right? I mean penetrating a girl when she is unconscious, ALMOST DYING (In such cases you call an ambulance, not rape her). Rape can not be justified in any way, I hope you are not planning to. It is sad though, traits of villains are now becoming traits of the heroes. I can't read this further, not because I like to keep my eyes shut to everything that is unfair, rather because the unfair is justified because the hero does it. Whether a man is subjected to rape or a woman, whether the hero does or an anti-hero, it is absolutely unjustifiable. I am not going to read further but I do hope Arnav is punished and Khushi doesn't have to end up loving/marrying Arnav as in the Rakshasha form of ancient Indian marriage where a girl is raped/abducted simply because the man likes her and it was perfectly permissible (Which is still practiced in certain tribal areas of India by the way). Because it implies rape or any meaningless violence towards another human being is okay when it is not.

Well I respect your pov but request from you to read it further don't judge it too quickly as a girl I can understand the sensitivity of this topic and i promise you ending will be in your hands but the concept is completely unique and different yes the background concept is rape but still trust me and continue trust me you're not going to regret it completely different from other concepts so just give it a try.
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Why couldn't he have just provided body heat and nothing more?
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Was penetration really necessary here?
If it had been, let's say, Shyam in place of Arnav here, we definitely would not have tried to justify it, right?

But reading your reply to another reader, I would really like to see how you take it from here.
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For a minute, I can't believe that Arnav did that. Was penetration really needed? Couldn't body heat suffice in such a situation. I agree that there was nowhere he could go or nobody he could have called and he was trapped in a deserted place. Calling an ambulance was also not possible as his phone's battery died(that's what I understood). But no matter in what state of mind he was or how helpless/ scared he might have been, doing what he did was preposterous. It's rape. He deserves to be punished. Still, I wish to read this story to see how you take this forward. It's critical because plots such as these cannot have the hero-heroine end up happily together. Some writers may be writing such kinds, but I don't wish for that to happen in this story. To be very honest, I will not at all be disappointed if arshi doesn't end up together here. Instead, she can have her happy ending with somebody OR something else. Let him not be her hero this time around for a change. I would have to mention though that the way in which you built up the suspense in the chapter concerning the environment and the whole situation was engaging.
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Originally posted by: poojasidd123

For a minute, I can't believe that Arnav did that. Was penetration really needed? Couldn't body heat suffice in such a situation. I agree that there was nowhere he could go or nobody he could have called and he was trapped in a deserted place. Calling an ambulance was also not possible as his phone's battery died(that's what I understood). But no matter in what state of mind he was or how helpless/ scared he might have been, doing what he did was preposterous. It's rape. He deserves to be punished. Still, I wish to read this story to see how you take this forward. It's critical because plots such as these cannot have the hero-heroine end up happily together. Some writers may be writing such kinds, but I don't wish for that to happen in this story. To be very honest, I will not at all be disappointed if arshi doesn't end up together here. Instead, she can have her happy ending with somebody OR something else. Let him not be her hero this time around for a change. I would have to mention though that the way in which you built up the suspense in the chapter concerning the environment and the whole situation was engaging.


well thanks for the comment and I respect your pov and I know that the concept is tricky I will answer you through the next chapter I'm working on it and the response I'm getting from you all is actually good and thanks for telling me that it was engaging I actually wanted to know about the whole scene and regarding the ending it will be in your hands
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well if we talk about supporting woman empowerment and rights then trust me I love talking and writing about that's why I choose to go with this concept: This is a very good thought indeed.

this is not simple but risky the whole plan might back fire on my face and it can cause me shit lot bashing ( I wish you would call it criticism) as well but still I want to go for it regarding ending as I said ending will be in your hands if in the everyone wants arnav to go through the punishment I will do it

and yeah the man will be man anyone will loose their sanity in these situation : So there are no decent men left? A men will rape a women just because she is naked and just because the other person belongs to the category of 'men', even when she is almost dying? I think this ought to be offensive to men.
and I was writing in his pov so it's just that's how it is realistic no man is saint: It is realistic? No one is saint but does that mean everyone is a criminal?
when it comes to this topic. so I was bound to keep it in this it's natural for them to feel in this way: I would like to ask a simple question does rape come naturally to men? then why even criminalize rape? It is natural in your words. Being sexually aroused by someone and actually raping them is two entirely different things. And women have sexuality too, they get aroused too. Also men gets raped too. It is absolutely wrong to say men are naturally this, women are naturally that- this is what creates the problematic of gender issue that us the so called harbinger of change debate about day and night.

I posted this here from my inbox since I wanted people to participate, not leave these issues limited to just two people debating. It is kind of draining really to argue in a platform like this but then if you feel for something, then you should pursue it, is what I believe. Rest it is up to the readers and the author to say or not say anything.
The underlined sentences are from the author and the bold is my answer.


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Originally posted by: luv_panipuri


-- Previous Private Message --
Sent by : acwriter
Sent : 17 November 2017 at 1:07pm
well if we talk about supporting woman empowerment and rights then trust me I love talking and writing about that's why I choose to go with this concept: This is a very good thought indeed.

this is not simple but risky the whole plan might back fire on my face and it can cause me shit lot bashing ( I wish you would call it criticism) as well but still I want to go for it regarding ending as I said ending will be in your hands if in the everyone wants arnav to go through the punishment I will do it

and yeah the man will be man anyone will loose their sanity in these situation : So there are no decent men left? A men will rape a women just because she is naked and just because the other person belongs to the category of 'men', even when she is almost dying? I think this ought to be offensive to men.
and I was writing in his pov so it's just that's how it is realistic no man is saint: It is realistic? No one is saint but does that mean everyone is a criminal?
when it comes to this topic. so I was bound to keep it in this it's natural for them to feel in this way: I would like to ask a simple question does rape come naturally to men? then why even criminalize rape? It is natural in your words. Being sexually aroused by someone and actually raping them is two entirely different things. And women have sexuality too, they get aroused too. Also men gets raped too. It is absolutely wrong to say men are naturally this, women are naturally that- this is what creates the problematic of gender issue that us the so called harbinger of change debate about day and night.

I posted this here from my inbox since I wanted people to participate, not leave these issues limited to just two people debating. It is kind of draining really to argue in a platform like this but then if you feel for something, then you should pursue it, is what I believe. Rest it is up to the readers and the author to say or not say anything.
The underlined sentences are from the author and the bold is my answer.



1. what I meant by men will be men wasn't suppose to be like this you took it in another way what I was saying was for those lines that he was loosing so he removed his gaze away from her it was for those lines getting aroused is normal for them sometime it happens without any reason because it release some chemical in their while working on this concept I talked with some of my friends all of them said that in their case it is different than but I was talking about those lines you mentioned I thought you were talking about his mental state and for this decision of rape trust it has a complete different story regarding ending I haven't said anything I said it will be in your hands


2. I never said you were bashing me what I mean by those words was if I don't execute it properly then the whole could be offensive and people can bash me for taking it what you are giving me is a criticism and I said in the start that is why I personally message you regarding debate it will make you think and that's tricky. I haven't said that everyone is criminal and no one is saint was for being aroused in this kind of condition it was for those lines stay calm it is just concept and I will handle it maturely this one is experimental and required changes will be made but don't judge too quickly


3. Men gets raped when the woman is trying to force herself on him but in such kind of condition when you are touching a woman who is naked arousal is normal and natural that's what I mean with being realistic

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