They actually talked today

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Either they've fought or had moments but for the first time they actually talked to each other - about Guddi, his work. Again Vividha keeps pushing Atharv away. I don't know what it will take for her to cross that boundary honestly. She keeps resisting though she very much has the feelings. But I do know it's easier said than done because as backwards as it sounds, for girls to go against their parents wishes...it's not so easy as it is for a guy. Actually it's a far cry from easy and I've witnessed in my personal life with close ones so I do get her predicament.

I actually wanted Vividha to apologise or at least thank Atharv but instead he seemed to have forgotten the insults and was back smiling again. I would've loved to see him immerse in his own pain even if in solitude but that emotion was dismissed.

It was interesting to see that Vividha actually blaming herself for the bad things happening in Atharv's life. Never thought of it that, never thought she would think of it that way either but Atharv really puts her on a high pedestal.

Kiss on the file part...well she was staring at lips for the longest I've known a heroine stare at them.

So Vividha what will it take? I think people will be angry with her today and maybe Atharv too but like I said, for a girl to dismiss her father's wishes it's not so easy. They may want to ease the new slot audience in too...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Either they've fought or had moments but for the first time they actually talked to each other - about Guddi, his work. Again Vividha keeps pushing Atharv away. I don't know what it will take for her to cross that boundary honestly. She keeps resisting though she very much has the feelings. But I do know it's easier said than done because as backwards as it sounds, for girls to go against their parents wishes...it's not so easy as it is for a guy. Actually it's a far cry from easy and I've witnessed in my personal life with close ones so I do get her predicament.

I actually wanted Vividha to apologise or at least thank Atharv but instead he seemed to have forgotten the insults and was back smiling again. I would've loved to see him immerse in his own pain even if in solitude but that emotion was dismissed.

It was interesting to see that Vividha actually blaming herself for the bad things happening in Atharv's life. Never thought of it that, never thought she would think of it that way either but Atharv really puts her on a high pedestal.

Kiss on the file part...well she was staring at lips for the longest I've known a heroine stare at them.

So Vividha what will it take? I think people will be angry with her today and maybe Atharv too but like I said, for a girl to dismiss her father's wishes it's not so easy. They may want to ease the new slot audience in too...


Exactly, for the first time they had a meaningful conversation & it was nice. I actually wanted Vividha to apologise to him but that never happened, I don't believe Atharva should be the one to apologise at all. At least Vividha shouldn't be expecting an apology after the way her father insulted him, that should make up for it. Atharva seems to be forgetting a lot of things nowadays 😆 he never seems to get annoyed/angry with her, I think he just sees her as naive & so he takes it all in lightly, even when she goes against him. I think he knows Vividha hasn't accepted her feelings yet that he doesn't expect her to be in his favour maybe? But it's annoying that Atharva is always having to ask for an apology when he's not in the wrong, I kind of want that spunk he had at the beginning of the show, but then again if he reacted Vividha will dismiss him once again even if he has every right to stand up for himself, whatever her father said should not be forgiven. I'm wondering myself, what will it take to accept her feelings? I'm not expecting her to accept her feelings so quickly though due to her father, so I think it'll take some more time. I think people are starting to dislike the pace of the show because they believe the story isn't moving ahead, but in my opinion, knowing that the other lead is supposed to enter someday the love story between ViTharv needs to be solid in order for Atharva's mental illness & Vividha's possible unhappiness in the marriage to make sense, so of course, there's not much happening in terms of the storyline but the main focus right now has to be ViTharv so, like I've said before, for it all to make sense.
I was actually surprised to know that Vividha blames herself, at least there's some sense of remorse there for him.
She's obviously holding herself back, but at the end of the episode when she thinks she pushed Atharva too hard over the balcony (I have a feeling he's hiding from her to see her reaction 😆), she looked absolutely terrified & the tears in her eyes, the worry shows she has a soft spot for him, therefore, feelings. She's just in a state of denial & confusion right now, & that's what the CV's are attempting to explore for now as we know Vividha is not as forefront or as staightforward like Atharva, she's different & that obviously requires time for her to change.
Sorry, I didn't realise how long this would be 😆 but yes, that's personally what I think of the current track so far.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Vividha doesn't need to be in love with Atharv to defend him or ask for forgiveness. The least she could have done today was apologize for her father's behavior. If Atharv can apologize for grabbing Kailash's collar, why can't Vividha apologize on her father's behalf?
A person who has regard for another human being's emotions and feelings won't condone such behavior. Vividha showed no remorse, no regret whatsoever. When she saw Atharv begging for apology again, she took it for granted that Atharv probably wasn't that hurt by her father's words. Or maybe she simply doesn't care.

Atharv has lost his self respect. Which makes his character so much less appealing. I'll be waiting for the day Atharv grows a backbone strong enough to stand up for himself and his mother even if it means he has to go against the love of his life.

Love shouldn't make a person weak. And if that love makes you weak, then that love is not worth it. And love has made Atharv weak and spineless.

The conversation with Vividha should have been limited to warning Vividha about Chintu's intentions. He should have told her what he SAW and HEARD with his own eyes and ears. The begging business ruined that scene. What's worse was Vividha's insensitive attitude to Atharv's feelings. She stood there like a queen contemplating whether to forgive Atharv or not. WHAT ABOUT HER SORRY? What about her dad's behavior?

Vividha today lacked basic human decency to ask for forgiveness. She blew the chance to seek an apology. She need not be in love with Atharv to apologize for the wrong that her family has done. It's as simple as that.

The relationship is getting toxic now.
Edited by -poloenigma- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Exactly, for the first time they had a meaningful conversation & it was nice. I actually wanted Vividha to apologise to him but that never happened, I don't believe Atharva should be the one to apologise at all. At least Vividha shouldn't be expecting an apology after the way her father insulted him, that should make up for it. Atharva seems to be forgetting a lot of things nowadays😆he never seems to get annoyed/angry with her, I think he just sees her as naive & so he takes it all in lightly, even when she goes against him. I think he knowsVividha hasn't accepted her feelings yet that he doesn't expect her to be in his favour maybe? But it's annoying that Atharva is always having to ask for an apology when he's not in the wrong, I kind of want that spunk he had at the beginning of the show, but then again if he reacted Vividha will dismiss him once again even if he has every right to stand up for himself, whatever her father said should not be forgiven. I'm wondering myself, what will it take to accept her feelings? I'm not expecting her to accept her feelings so quickly though due to her father, so I think it'll take some more time. I think people are starting to dislike the pace of the show because they believe the story isn't moving ahead, but in my opinion, knowing that the other lead is supposed to enter someday the love story between ViTharv needs to be solidin order for Atharva's mental illness & Vividha's possible unhappiness in the marriage to make sense, so of course, there's not much happening in terms of the storyline but the main focus right now has to be ViTharv so, like I've said before, for it all to make sense.
I was actually surprised to know that Vividha blames herself, at least there's some sense of remorse there for him.
She's obviously holding herself back, but at the end of the episode when she thinks she pushed Atharva too hard over the balcony (I have a feeling he's hiding from her to see her reaction😆), she looked absolutely terrified & the tears in her eyes, the worry shows she has a soft spot for him, therefore, feelings. She's just in a state of denial & confusion right now, & that's what the CV's are attempting to explore for now as we know Vividha is not as forefront or as staightforward like Atharva, she's different & that obviously requires time for her to change.
Sorry, I didn't realise how long this would be😆but yes, that's personally what I think of the current track so far.





Yes, I think that is what slightly works in Vividha's favour. Though she is obviously in love with him, she's never pursued him nor is she trying to lead him on. The stupid/naive person she is, she will continue living in the denial till maybe possibly something huge happens. She's so adamant on falling for him, it's like what Atharv said - her mind says no but her heart is a different matter. Practically speaking, if I know I had no chance with a guy due to religious differences for example, I would keep him out as much as I possibly can. That's what Vividha is doing because she knows her dad will never accept the relationship! It's a different matter that she's very much in love with him already but she can control her mind...for now!

Atharv has his spunk I still think but it's just that Vividha makes him so happy that I think he just bares & grins it because on the larger picture, she's made him the happiest he's ever felt!

I'm not bothered about the pace of the show because one, like you said they need to build a solid foundation to their love story & make the audience ache for them to be together and secondly they've just potentially got a new set of viewers so they have make Vitharv convincing for them
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -poloenigma-

Vividha doesn't need to be in love with Atharv to defend him or ask for forgiveness. The least she could have done today was apologize for her father's behavior. If Atharv can apologize for grabbing Kailash's collar, why can't Vividha apologize on her father's behalf?

A person who has regard for another human being's emotions and feelings won't condone such behavior. Vividha showed no remorse, no regret whatsoever. When she saw Atharv begging for apology again, she took it for granted that Atharv probably wasn't that hurt by her father's words. Or maybe she simply doesn't care.

Atharv has lost his self respect. Which makes his character so much less appealing. I'll be waiting for the day Atharv grows a backbone strong enough to stand up for himself and his mother even if it means he has to go against the love of his life.

Love shouldn't make a person weak. And if that love makes you weak, then that love is not worth it. And love has made Atharv weak and spineless.

The conversation with Vividha should have been limited to warning Vividha about Chintu's intentions. He should have told her what he SAW and HEARD with his own eyes and ears. The begging business ruined that scene. What's worse was Vividha's insensitive attitude to Atharv's feelings. She stood there like a queen contemplating whether to forgive Atharv or not. WHAT ABOUT HER SORRY? What about her dad's behavior?

Vividha today lacked basic human decency to ask for forgiveness. She blew the chance to seek an apology. She need not be in love with Atharv to apologize for the wrong that her family has done. It's as simple as that.

The relationship is getting toxic now.



I actually tweeted the producer that I was expecting an apology from Vividha today. Not that it changes anything but she did retweet that! She didn't seem to reflect on Kailash's behaviour or Chintu's for that matter! He was acting WEIRD! So when we all thought she's actually starting to think...she's gone back a step which is unfortunate.

I don't find Atharv spineless though. It takes a lot of strength to take all that crap but like I said in my previous post, he's so in love that he sees the bigger picture i.e. He is the happiest he's ever been! And in his heart he knows Vividha loves him too so that's enough to keep him going.

All your points are valid but I partly think it is due to the new set of viewers. They don't want to get Vitharv too far ahead without having the build up because if the build up doesn't work then the seperation won't either.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I so agree with you thats its hard for girls to go against family's wishes. And I can where Vividha is coming from, she has been raised to obey her father's wishes so it almost impossible for her to defy him. However, I would really like to see a step in positive direction in regard to Atharv. She should have really apologised today. It feels like she has no regard for Atharv's feelings and is almost treating him like a doormat.

I was even a little bit disappointed with Atharvs characterisation. Although like its been mentioned that Atharv is looking at the bigger picture, that she makes him happy and he understand her naivety. But his introduction was soo different to his current characteristics. Viewers were made to know about his immense respect and love towards his mother and we have seen his devotion to his mother but where was that today? I did not like how he let his mother feel insulted and hurt just because he did not want to hurt Vividha. I am not going to say he is spineless because he is not but I miss the Atharv with fire in his eyes, and passion in his voice and that will to fight we saw in the beginning. Love is supposed to make you strong, its supposed to make give you power but in Atharv's case, its rendering him weak. If not for himself, I really wished he stood up for his mother. And I think if he has done that, then he should have made Vividha understand that he, just like her, cannot see his mother feel insulted. And Vividha should be able to understand that.

Though like you said it was interesting to see Vividha blame herself for the incidents that have happened in Atharv's life, I never thought she would see it this way.


Edited by muskaan2298 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: *Reemz*

Either they've fought or had moments but for the first time they actually talked to each other - about Guddi, his work. Again Vividha keeps pushing Atharv away. I don't know what it will take for her to cross that boundary honestly. She keeps resisting though she very much has the feelings. But I do know it's easier said than done because as backwards as it sounds, for girls to go against their parents wishes...it's not so easy as it is for a guy. Actually it's a far cry from easy and I've witnessed in my personal life with close ones so I do get her predicament.

I actually wanted Vividha to apologise or at least thank Atharv but instead he seemed to have forgotten the insults and was back smiling again. I would've loved to see him immerse in his own pain even if in solitude but that emotion was dismissed.

It was interesting to see that Vividha actually blaming herself for the bad things happening in Atharv's life. Never thought of it that, never thought she would think of it that way either but Atharv really puts her on a high pedestal.

Kiss on the file part...well she was staring at lips for the longest I've known a heroine stare at them.

So Vividha what will it take? I think people will be angry with her today and maybe Atharv too but like I said, for a girl to dismiss her father's wishes it's not so easy. They may want to ease the new slot audience in too...


Agree with all that you said Reemz, though I wish Vividha was more responsive, I think in a similar situation I would have been as, if not more, reluctant as her. Kailash mentioned something quite true even if it did sound backwards and sexist. He said a girl carries the respect of her family with her and she had the power to destroy that respect and that's pretty much the perception that exists especially in desi families. Kailash has got such a strong opinion against Atharv that it seems like a hopeless case, why then give any encouragement to something that looks doomed from the start and will bring nothing but heartbreak? The stronger it gets, the more it will hurt when they part. Somewhere she is protecting both herself and Atharv...for the first time in this episode I felt, pushing away Atharv was not simply an act of obedience to her father but it was also meant to shield Atharv. Never thought she actually attributed the blame for Atharv and Sujata's miseries to herself but it was good to know she cared enough for him to be scared of jinxing his dreams.


But even I think an apology from her was needed. She looked contrite during the party at the insults thrown by Kailash but deemed it enough to exchange her forgiveness against Atharv holding himself back for her sake. I don't think holding Kailash's collar (that too for saying what Kailash did, talking of which Vividha should have asked the reason for him doing that at least now!) was anywhere comparable to listening to all those disgusting stuffs hurled by Kailash about his upbringing and his mom's character silently. Seeing that pain in Atharv's eyes should have pushed her to apologize and if nothing else, make her realize the hideous side of Kailash.


And yes, the best part of this epi for me was that they had a good talk, there was none of the usual rush or tension underlying their convo. They didn't agree on the Chintu-Guddi issue but nevertheless there was something so normal about Atharv sharing his concerns to her and getting her involved, as his lucky charm, in his project. Such moments is needed to give that depth to their relationship and I hope we get a lot more of that.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: muskaan2298

I so agree with you thats its hard for girls to go against family's wishes. And I can where Vividha is coming from, she has been raised to obey her father's wishes so it almost impossible for her to defy him. However, I would really like to see a step in positive direction in regard to Atharv. She should have really apologised today. It feels like she has no regard for Atharv's feelings and is almost treating him like a doormat.


I was even a little bit disappointed with Atharvs characterisation. Although like its been mentioned that Atharv is looking at the bigger picture, that she makes him happy and he understand her naivety. But his introduction was soo different to his current characteristics. Viewers were made to know about his immense respect and love towards his mother and we have seen his devotion to his mother but where was that today? I did not like how he let his mother feel insulted and hurt just because he did not want to hurt Vividha. I am not going to say he is spineless because he is not but I miss the Atharv with fire in his eyes, and passion in his voice and that will to fight we saw in the beginning. Love is supposed to make you strong, its supposed to make give you power but in Atharv's case, its rendering him weak. If not for himself, I really wished he stood up for his mother. And I think if he has done that, then he should have made Vividha understand that he, just like her, cannot see his mother feel insulted. And Vividha should be able to understand that.

Though like you said it was interesting to see Vividha blame herself for the incidents that have happened in Atharv's life, I never thought she would see it this way.





You know I really love Sujata-Atharv's bond, but my mum made a comment the other day which keeps making me think SLIGHTLY otherwise. She was watching the scene where Sujata asked Atharv to apologise & take it all and my mum said, what kind of mother is she to let her son bare such insults. I wasn't even thinking of that but when I got a mother's perspective it made me look at the dynamics differently. I think this was an off comment but your words about Sujata just reminded me of what my own mum said.

For sure, Atharv should've said something as Sujata's name was put on the line but he would only end up beating Kailash up and we would have the SAME scene once again. This time it was different because it showed Atharv's tolerance for Vividha and at the back of my mind, I let it go because I know it is their love story. Other relationships are extremely important but Vitharv's bond is the one that is the biggest pull for the audience.

Agree about Vividha that she should at least feel remorseful that Sujata got insulted too especially because they share such a sweet bond.

Notice Sujata's words though to Atharv? Your love is out of your control and beyond my understanding.
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P.S. when I write my posts, I get carried away and my grammar goes for a TOSS! I apologise for that!
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@Reemz : The new viewers can't be the reason. Again, they NEED NOT show any real development with regards to Vividha's feelings towards Atharv and vice-versa. I'm not even worried about the pace of the show. Things can stay the way they are, no problem!
But the creatives have messed up Atharv's existing characterization by making him indifferent to his mother's insult in his strive to get Vividha's forgiveness.
'Ganda khoon', 'Baap kaun hai'; these weren't taunts against him, these were hurtful abuses against the mother whose name his carries.

How can a child, whose mother singlehandedly raised him to get him where he is today, just stand there and take all these insults?

Fine. He took all the insults. That's okay!

BUT WHY IN THE WORLD did he swallow his self respect and run after Vividha for forgiveness yet again?

Vividha just witnessed her father insulting her 'Sujata Chachi' in the worst way possible. Those were allegations against Sujata's character. How can Vividha, being a WOMAN herself , NOT have the dignity to personally apologize to Atharv and Sujata for her father's words?

She just silently supported her father's misogynist behavior. And writers just threw away 50 episodes of character development of Atharv in one single scene.

It takes strength to go against the people you love, if it's for the right thing.

Standing up to enemies is easy, but you show strength in your character when you stand up to your friends.

Atharv failed to show that strength. He knew Kailash was wrong and he shouldn't have kept quite, but yet he did because he didn't want to hurt Vividha and wanted her forgiveness. Point to be noted though, he didn't need to get physical, just some words in support of his mother and her upbringing would have been enough.

What Vividha and Atharv share right now, is not a healthy relationship. It's highly unbalanced and is surviving due to Atharv's emotional vulnerabilities when it comes to Vividha. And Vividha just takes him for granted. Its not cool. Its ugly and toxic.
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