Sushpective: A good Finish! (Collages added!) - Page 19

Originally posted by: BertieWooster

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Gimme more, I say...gimme more

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

The pattern is right there in what you've just described...he has reacted abominably every time there has been a trigger...there were two things in the engagement, Gayathri's own identity being revealed which exposed her for a liar since she had claimed the servant to be her father...and the engagement ring that had once belonged to Sula...at the suhaag raat, that was again a response to the lehenga that belonged to Sula...he thought she was mocking him...his callous behavior has been a response every time...it can neither be condoned nor justified but it can be understood!

I am a firm beleiver in innocent until proven guilty. And I would like to believe if RNJ was a just, courteous King as you stated he would do the same. Gayatri's identiy was revealed so? He had met a few times before? SO he is a King? He meets people on a daily basis? Does that prove that anyone that bumps into you is planning something? For him to just assume that about his praja was wrong. Secondly we have triggers in our daily lives a person who manhandles once is a man handler no matter what may be the trigger. Do two wrong make a right? Leaving aside the fact that Gayatri isn't even wrong really she is bearing the grunt of him jumping to conclusion too quickly.

I don't understand your point about public humiliation...he never did till before the dining table scene...their encounters were always between the two of them...be it his behaviour during the engagement or the suhaag raat...the umbrella during the rain and the plucking of thorns was not for the Queen...he could have got someone else to do it either time...it was him responding to her grief on both occasions...despite everything he felt guilty when he saw how traumatized she was in the rain..

See that where he comes across bipolar right after insulting her so badly during the suhaag raat he comes back with an umbrella. If the trigger really made him that mad than his anger would not have vanished that quickly. Exactly he saw how traumatized she was in the rain? But he still thought of her as manipulative. Again once public humiliation is one time too many. And he has trangressed many times. I said Gayatri was wrong during the bichua the she was just bold enough to speak the truth the consummation didnt happen. She didnt directly point fingers on anyone to humiliate them. RNJ did. But if I can say Gayatri was wrong I will say RNJ was wrong.

You forget, RNJ had the option of accepting the British proposal to levy extra taxes. Rajmata was confident that Seth ji's loans would be repaid only because she could convince RNJ on the tax option! They could've continued to live in royal splendor and not come to the streets at any time! RNJ chose to discard that option. That was the decision of a wise and kind king! Let us give the devil its due! He was unable to sell the summer palace and finally had nothing but his own self to pawn in return for the debt waiver! This way, the people would be spared and also the honor of the royal family. He would be unable to keep the twisted promise he made to his dead wife but he chose to make that the casualty rather than compromise with the welfare of his people or the honor of his lineage.

This doesnt take away the fact the RNJ is still GREATLY indebted to Gayatri. Yeah I will give the King credit that he didnt burden is praja. But why was that possible only because of Govind Seth and Gayatri. He hasnt expressed an iota of appreciaton. Instead he comes across as an Asaan framosh. Gayatri and Govind Seth are the reason the people were spared not RNJ. He didnt come up with a better option. If he had I would have given the devil credit. But it was the Rajmata who came up with this option.

If Gayathri had remained an unknown quantity, much like Princess Sharmila, he would have treated her with cold courtesy just the same way! The problem here was he was left with the impression that Gayathri had deliberately kept her identity a secret and stalked him with a purpose while her father tightened the screws on the royal debt. They were operating towards a common objective, namely bringing the royal throne under their control. RNJ felt contempt for such manipulation and that is what he has always expressed. More importantly, RNJ feels a great deal of self contempt for having married her! He pretty much said that to Sula, when he told her he had been unable to keep any of his promises to her!

RNJ does not believe Gayathri deserves respect because of her manipulative ways! End of story!

Again this is his misconception. Agree people make misconceptions in real life. But as a king he has a responsibility to make sure someone his guilty before treating them like dirt. And no even criminals arent treating with so much disrespect today. Though they serve time and dual punishment. Secondly he is indebted to this person that he is no treating like dirt. It was because of her he didnt have to go through on of two other options burden his praja or go on the streats.
So anyone who is manipulative is not his praja? Their could be millions of other manipulative people out their Unless he decides to go out and disrespect them as well Gayatri deserves as much respect as anyone else.

Like I said, let us judge him based on what he knows and not what we know!
Once again as a King he has a responsiblity to not jump to conclusion so quickly which he has been show to doing. Do give his praja the benefit of the doubt? And to ensure that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Too much of a beleive in that. Unless their was a rool carried to all that everyone manipulative didnt deserve to be treat with respect.

Because he knows Wilkinson to be equally manipulative and power hungry. So he probably chose to give Gayathri the benefit of doubt rather than Wilkinson. He has also been witness to Gayathri standing up to Wilkinson and also her stance on the British!There is also the conflict of what he sees in front of him and what his inner consciousness is directing him to believe.

Exactly he knows how manipulative Wilkonson is so he def should have decided to speak to his wife about the payal being there before he decided to humiliate her through the not so hot dance. Before he decided to wrongfully accuse her of the most disgusting accusations.

That is the whole point i have been driving at. Every positive of Gayathri is giving him hope that his beliefs are wrong. And then when things go wrong, they are reinforcing the mental image he has assumed of her! He cannot help feel resonance when she speaks against the British. It makes him like her just a little and then, things go horribly wrong and he is back to square one!

My problem is he isnt shown questioning himself enough. Even if someone is manipulative and you have verified evidence there is something called EMPATHY. Like I said do two wrong make a right? If Gayatri has done enough to poke holes in his misconception than he def owes her the benefit of the doubt. I feel.

He fought the duel because she was his Queen, yes! But what lead to his having to call for a duel? If he felt Gayathri had been completely out of line, do you really think he would've still gone ahead and called for one? He did so only because he agreed with her stance and felt it needed to be defended. However manipulative she might be otherwise, at that point the Queen was not wrong and so the King rose to defend her and fight for her!

See that for me is very contradictory. If he can fight duals for the queen than he def owes his queen just like his praja the benefit of the doubt. If she is hungry for power. Than the Royal family did use her for money. They might have had other options but doesnt take away the fact that their indebted to Gayatri.

Well, there is no arguing here except to say the women in general are inherently more perceptive and intuitive. Unfortunately there is never a 50:50. The ratio varies and the balance tilts from one side to the other all the time but seldom is exactly and perfectly equal!

Sorry I am against those misconceptions. Before they were told to be accepted to be someoen property. Now the expectations are unfairly placed on them. I beleive in equality.

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Originally posted by: BertieWooster

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

Originally posted by: BertieWooster

Hello,

Thanks for the post...thought you would make one...glad to be proved right..

So, Gayathri decides her jewels are better off sold than Rana ji's Mayur Pankh! Don't have a problem with her sweet thought! However, unfortunately for her, she only thought of a physical possession that Rana ji cherished and not the honour that is more important than life to him. How did she even imagine he would not get to know? Was it some dirty secret that Wilkinson was supposed to keep? Confidence and naivete is one thing but this was downright foolish! Her bravado with Wilkinson failed to impress me because of the foolishness of her act! Forget his accusations! For me, whatever her intentions, she had managed to subvert the authority of the king and compromised his honour in the process.

What if tomorrow Wilkinson turned around and said that Rana ji had intentionally sent his wife to him to seek the favour of waiving the tax or some such crap?!

Please don't turn Gayathri into more of a Ms Know it all, creatives!

I agree with this

Gayatri was most foolish. No woman goes behind her husband's back in important matters

She should just have given her jewellery to Ranaji to handle on his own

Why should she try and hide anything from Ranaji

Why couldnt come back and gloat about her deed and try and remove his impression of her as an oppurtunist

She is damn do-gooder who never get rewarded

But NAHI USSE TO MAHAAN BANANA HAIN

And the ladies in 1940's would never go out alone at night - the Cvs are confused what era it is

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf