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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: Memu1

Actually even before meerab came, Saba already told him she did not go with Rohail. Actually what Haya was saying there about Rohail, even MK knew that it was lie. It was not new for him .

He asked twice that question to BH. First time in bedroom , and second time at dining table.

When he was about to ask Meerab , he stopped and said let me ask in front of everyone, that was his third time because he was confident that 💯 Haya was lieing.

Actually it is not even important if haya saw or not . Meerab went on her will .

To throw her out of house, that one thing was enough for MK ,so that MB can happily pack her up.


And the last question - why did he say he believed her first time .

I think MK knows that BH will not open her mouth if u ask her straight, so he assure her in a way where she felt little happy that he believed her and so she told the truth and she also emphasized that she loves him so much that she had to do everything for him.


😀😀this theory makes us happy so I am thinking to go this way .

. In bold…yes thsts the bottom line . I like that. Stuck to what makes you happy and this goes for all of us too.
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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: Memu1

Actually I was laughing thinking, the moment farroq and Saba went , he jumped on this .

I think when farooq was talking, internally it was killing him to know meerab was living with them in poverty , and some one else was talking care of her.


Did he think I need to throw all out and just 4 of them .

. In bold . Awww it breaks my heart to think what it must have felt like to Murtasum 🥲🥲

In italics yes 😂😂😂😂 and after throwing Haya out he wanted to have some me time with Meerab 😂

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: la_Reine

How was the ending??

Acha tha 😅
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I am really sorry for the late post Gun. But as they say, better late than never. Your whole analysis, as always, is eloquently put together. Thank you for penning this. 👏

I had posted my views separately (had I seen yours before drafting mine, I would have merrily just put my inserts into yours only), but since I had to comment/ agree on some of your points, I wanted to just post this 😊


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Was Murtasim planning on marry Haya, no he was not. His poignant remarks and ambiguous behaviours in the finale can be interpreted as him having a plan for Haya. Murtasim’s soliloquys on loving forever and waiting endlessly for his Meerab were not pointless speeches they meant something. Would it be easier to us if it was shown, but where is the fun in that and when did this dynamic duo ever make it easy for us. Meerab was Murtasim’s trial in love, their contentious actions were the audience’s trial to test our loyalty for TB, but if they didn’t fail each other how can we fail them. The final verdict is they might not have rewarded us, but they did not betray Meerab and Murtasim, so we pardon them.

The whole journey of TB, just summarized in a single sentence. Sometimes I do wonder, how the hell I ended up watching something so frustratingly annoying! But all’s well that ends well.

Episode starts with the second ‘Qubool Hai’ ask from Maulvi to Haya, she had already said her first ‘Qubool Hai’.

I was wondering why the maulvi said ‘Qubool hai’ twice, did Haya already say it once? I could not hear her.

Murtasim leans in mouth parted ready to interrupt the ceremony when Meerab walks in, world stops spinning.

At the end of the penultimate episode, this was what I thought too. But in the finale episode, 50% of times I was convinced that he is leaning into say something and other 50% of times I can’t be sure of. So, I gave up decoding how he was going to stop the hoax of the marriage, just the knowledge of somehow, he would have stopped was good enough! It is like I know there are ‘A’ and ‘B’, but how they were going to go from A to B, is a mystery (A being ‘Murtasim’s ishq claiming to be waiting with the hope of Me’s return’ and B being ‘Meerub is going to be his only wife, Qayamat tak’ 😉)!

The answer is not told instead shown to us as Haya is not dressed like Murtasim’s bride. Her fantasy the veil will cover her face when she married him is not realized because she is not his bride. She has no mehndi, she is not given the dignity of a full bridal regalia nor is she wearing maang tikka a critical piece of bridal jewelry, visually she is shown that she is no one’s bride let alone Murtasim’s.

This is a brilliant observation Gun. I was so happy to see Haya’s face falling when Murtasim demanded a simple wedding, remembering how she taunted Meerab on her wedding day saying all those were meant be hers and cursed on her impending marital bliss. And I didn’t notice Haya lacking all those, maybe, for once, I liked how she was dressed – normally, she is always overdressed, her makeup over the top and her dress always sweeping the floor. So, I kinda liked her bridal look, missing these details you pointed. You are so right, there was no henna, no maang tikka - that is actually a complete contrast of Meerab’s full bridal attire with her veil claiming her as Murtasim’s bride!

Why is Murtasim hung up on Haya’s involvement in Meerab’s disappearance? He knows better than anyone that Meerab will do what she wants to do, Haya has no influence over either of them. Meerab herself said only she has the authority to detach Murtasim from her, no one has the power to separate them but themselves. He is not asking if Haya instigated Meerab to leave, only if she knew Meerab left because if she had informed the family earlier then he would have found Meerab sooner. If he truly believed Haya’s innocence, why is he asking Meerab for clarification, unless he always knew Haya was lying.

No third person has that authority in their relationship. He never even demanded a justification/ clarification from Haya for that 'hug' fiasco. Though the whole fandom was distressed about that I was happy that he did not question her. Just questioning her is giving her undue importance in their relationship and demeaning their bond.

And Murtasim did not believe Haya when she said that blatant lie. I watched that scene many times just to understand Murtasim's decision on marrying Haya, as this was the only conversation between his 'No' and 'Yes' (I hated the whole 'Haya acting as victim' part, but I needed to confirm this, so I put myself through the torture!). There was a slight disbelieving blink from his side, and then he remembered his mother's words. The dialogue is important, because with that he realises that Haya had duped his mother into believing her 'supposed' love as well. And as you pointed, if we think that he believed the lie, then what was the need to resurface the question.


He removes the ring from Haya’s fingers making sure to not even touch her while doing so.

Exactly, he snatched it with two fingers! I was so cross with Murtasim for just even letting the witch have it, but the ‘ring’ signifies so much to Haya – as Maryam once told Haya always had her eyes on it, probably even before she had her eyes on Murtasim. So, she getting it and then losing it with no gain at all, is more poignant in showing Haya’s defeat. Actually, I believed out of everything, Haya’s punishment is the best there could have ever been. Though a better actor could have justified her defeat more impactfully, compared to rest of the episodes, Sabeena’s portrayal was surprisingly good in the finale episode. I loved that she even lost her tears, once Murtasim claimed his wife and daughter. While he was battling with his emotional turmoil, first seeing his wife, and then knowing he had a daughter, like always, Haya took the upper hand of the situation. Though it was clear in her eyes that the moment Meerub walked in she has realized that it is a lost battle for her (She is the first one to focus on the child in Meerub’s hand), she still did not give up. As soon as Murtasim broke his silence, Haya knew she was doomed, her vanquishment certain! Later, during the final encounter, her retorts lacked the usual vigor – she knew her plans had failed miserably. She stood alone, no one to call as her own - not even her tears were there with her. Her comeuppance was apt – the only other punishment, I thought befitting to Haya’s doings was for her to see the happily ever after of Meerub and Murtasim with their babies, which is kind of scary, because she may not be able to separate the couple once they address their demons, but she may plot to kill their babies! So, this must be the best one!

This was a giant ruse from him to rid Haya from his house. What is consistent with Murtasim’s character is that he doesn’t get involved in house politics, he wanted his mother to throw Haya out.

The Khan family rule states ‘Akhri faisla Murtasim ka hai’, but he doesn’t throw his weight around, he respects the dominion of his mother over the house, and he keeps his rule to the village.

Well said Gun! I have stated this so many times previously as well, Murtasim would never directly get involved in punishing Haya. This is only because he stays out of MB’s reign of the haveli. He only challenged MB’s decisions when the verdicts were on his wife. Murtasim is portrayed as a very respectful individual – he regards all his relationships respectfully. The house is his mother’s territory, so he never interferes in her decisions. Moreover, it was probably MB’s decision to take Haya into the household, so him banishing her from the family will be a direct disrespect to his mother’s decision. During Haya’s attempted suicide he subtly warned MB to keep an eye on things. So, he would have not punished Haya for her misdeeds – not because he cannot, but simply because he wouldn’t. So, Haya’s punishment should have definitely come from his mother – he just had to manoeuvre his mother’s thought process towards the correct direction.

Audiences had few questions that needed answers in the finale, but you will get what you are looking for if you asked the right questions. Tere Bin (TB) had always been about double speak dialogues, showing us their intentions more through their actions rather than telling us. That made this show and this couple both fascinating and frustrating to watch. Meerab and Murtasim are a secret, crack their code you will get more than your heart’s fill.

Once again, well said! Nothing can be truer than this. You follow their actions to understand their thoughts. The interpretations can be diverse and different, which frustrates you to no end. But, come to think about it, that is what made them and their story worth following!

His final words ‘no one will question my wife and all he wanted was her to come back home’ proves two things, he never suspected of her having run off with Rohail and he was waiting for her to return.

The most probable reason he directly went to Rohail’s place after knowing Meerab is missing is that he must’ve presumed that Meerab may have gotten to know about him sending ‘salaam’ to Rohail. When he stood out of Rohail’s flat, he did not seem like how Murtasim would have reacted if he believed that his wife had run-off with another man. And then he went on searching her in other places too. And with the time, when he couldn’t find the whereabouts of both his wife and Rohail, he probably couldn’t shake out the facts. Nevertheless, in his anger and frustration, Murtasim blurted that ‘Rohail has taken her away’ (Ep. 51) to Anwar. His wordings were clear, he didn’t say that ‘Meerab has gone away with Rohail’. And after this, he never affirmed this fact to anyone of the family, though he was searching for Rohail. Coincidently Rohail was missing too, and he once had almost kidnapped Meerab. Murtasim's fault was that he never defended Meerab when MB accused his wife of running away. He literally flinched when Anwar denied Meerab running away with Rohail during the engagement (Anwar's dialogues in this whole scene were what Murtasim wanted to convey - Anwar's last line being Murtasim's ultimate proclamation!). I presume his need to find Rohail was to convince himself that his wife did not leave him for someone else. He didn’t believe that she was with Rohail, but as Rohail was also missing since the same day, he just needed to make sure that the two incidents are not connected. He was getting frustrated (hence the thod phod in his room) because he was unable to clear that away as there was no sign of Rohail as well. After Saba’s disclosure, the nod was to confirm what he knew all along - his Meerab has gone away by her own will, Rohail was never in the picture and Meerab will one day return to him.

He tells her this house, their room, everything is the same waiting for her to return. He was never going to marry and give rights to a new wife to change the very things he was painstakingly preserving for his beloved. He did not allow the room to be decorated to welcome a new bride because there was never going to be a wedding.

The whole room was devoid of any decorations, even the flower vase that usually kept on their mirror table earlier, was missing. If he were to proceed with the marriage, where did he expect his bride to sleep? He himself unable to use their bed, so how will he allow another woman to occupy the bed? He was never going go ahead with the marriage – period!

A king kneels before his queen like he did once before to apologize and pleads with her to not leave him again. Murtasim’s affirmation of love for Meerab comes under duress for a third time. Loving Meerab is his greatest joy and his inevitable torment. He ran towards this pain willingly and would not abandon it even if it killed him.

I knew you are my soul sister in decoding TB, of course the more poetic one, this is exactly how I see his love for her, ‘Loving her was the most exquisite form of his self-destruction, something he willingly succumbed into’ – please accept my virtual hug Gunn!🤗👏


A man does not to need to become a devil for him to apologize. Men for generations are depicted so wickedly on TV that we instinctively jump to the worst conclusions. A husband who has no reservations in saying his pleases and thank-yous will apologize even if he did nothing wrong. What could he be apologizing for; as her shield failing in his duty to protect her from herself, walking out on her when she needed him the most, for not finding her sooner, for not deploying pest control on Haya, lacking in understanding of the Maryam debacle, being quick to anger, should have been more patient regarding Rohail.

This is written beautifully Gunn, there could not be a better way to put it. When I saw his apology, there was never a question of what he is apologizing for, just for everything. Anything that she regards him as responsible, though she did not need his apology at that point, him apologizing and bowing down in front of his queen is the best part of the whole conversation, whether he did anything wrong or not, his apology doesn’t make him a lesser man. As it sounded to me as almost a secondary love confession, an ardent plea for his beloved – I am sorry for any wrong I did, knowingly or unknowingly, just please don’t leave me.

'For not deploying the pest control on Haya' – this definitely cracked me up!


She teases him with ‘I won’t leave you on 1 condition’ but ends up making 4 conditions and he doesn’t recognize her prank till the 3rd condition. He suffers from contract PTSD, hearing the word ‘condition’ took him back to their wedding contract.

His face is a sight to behold here. He probably thought his Sassy Queen would pull another contract on him, but he was anyways deep within it, so no matter what she asks, he would have accepted that!

This was never a story where the man was waiting for the woman to say I love you. Murtasim always knew Meerab loved him; his only panic was that she would leave him, and she promises she will never do that again assuaging his fears forever. He confirmed her feelings post the fish allergy incident when he teased her about having fallen in love with him.

Of course, he did, didn’t he? The fish allergy incident gave him a ray of hope, that she cared for him deeply and she will fall for him one day as hardly as he for her. By the time he strongly affirms Meerab’s love for him to Haya (during their village visit), he was sure of her love. If there was any doubt, all must have gone away after his ‘chahat’ revelation. If her crying for him and for his lost dreams was not her love, then what could it be? In Ep. 41, he vowed on their love – hamari mohabbat ki qasam, if he did not believe that she loved him, why would he say that? So, he always knew her love for him, as you said, he was always insecure that she would leave him given the chance. If that is addressed, the man can handle the rest! Her declaring that 'she can never leave him, not anymore’ is what I see as Meerab’s ‘I love you’, because that is what Murtasim needed.

Murtasim once promised Meerab he would show her around the fields and now he is. He is leading her in his protective role like he has done so many times before, but never again will he turn his back on her. They will head to their destination together with smiles on their face. She has her dupatta out, she is an uncaged bird flying, he joins her and lets her fly to her heart’s content during the day. She is not in her signature closed arms stance, her arms open to the skies, she is ready to give and receive love without any fear or reservations. When dusk sets in he gently grabs the dupatta to wrap her up to protect her from the cold and darkness, he caresses her gently as he takes her back under his shelter.

This whole thing is beautifully written Gun! As I said earlier, I drafted my write up before seeing your finale analysis, If I had seen this, I might have just resort to inserting things into your post rather than writing one of my own (I am that lazy when it comes to writing and your words are always so poetic in narrating things). But thankfully, I have not written a single word on the Khet scene when I read your post. So, there is no way I was going to write anything on this. This is beautifully put together Gun! He is fulfilling another one of his promises he made to her.


As always, your post itself is a treat to read. It goes without saying, not only TB, I am going to miss reading your TB-insights as well! 😊

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Posted: 1 years ago

Originally posted by: Rumi23

Anu❤️❤️❤️


The more you write, the more it made sense.. you write so beautifully, please do continue to write.. you say it so eloquently and it brings "sukoon"

I am unable to see the engagement episode so writing the ending was impossible. I borrow your version completely and accept what you say..

I have one request, write more about the silent conversations and also about the khet scene... would love to read your words.

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Rumi, thanks for your kind words. Khet scene - I'd like to stick to Gun's version, I have read it before I wrote my own, so I cannot think of anything better than that, It is beautiful. Since her words are more than beautiful, I would not be able to write beyond that (or anything new on that matter) 😊

Regarding silent conversations, which ones? I think I exploited their silent conversation in the pre-finale/ finale episode, was there anything else in particular. I have taken up with the fancy of re-watching TB, though I may not be able to guarantee (due to my work schedule), I may also write things while rewatching as well. 😉

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Anu I will read your post in great leisure and comment back.

More than TB I will miss reading your thoughts. They go above and beyond my own imaginations and brings tears to my eyes. I always have an ahaaaaaaaa moment after I read what you write.

I hope we can get another beautiful couple like this to discuss again.

We have to keep in touch.


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Dear Navya,

Thank you for your very kind words, and sorry for the very late response from my side. You had some valid points, I thought I’d put forth few things as replies to those. But then again, these are what I perceive. TB is a seemingly simple story, but you can find many stories within it depending on what you look for and how you see things. So, following are just my thoughts, how I saw and perceived what was shown. Of course, there can be other perspectives too.

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Just one thing I don’t seem to come to terms with and thst is Murtasum backing out right at the Qubool Hai moment .That’s just not KMK. He would never do that to his family’s izzat ? Moreover this would hurt MB a lot, MB is an innocent party in all this, he wouldn’t make his mom believe that he is marrying Haya and then leave her at the alter ..it would be an insult to his mom too…She didn’t force him to marry her so there is no way he will give this SHOCK to her….

the dining room conversation when he asked Haya to tell him the truth one last time and she lied , he believed her. He says in the last episode thst I believed you the first time but I won’t now so it’s evident that he didn’t disbelieve her . I will go with your previous analysis of him being in a self destructive mode . He is hurt and somewhere deep down he is angry with Meerab too for disappearing like this so in his self destructive mode he is inflicting pain on himself and maybe in the process punishing Meerab too for leaving him like this.


Right after watching the finale episode for the first time, I may have probably, very reluctantly and angrily agreed with you – but that would be a very momentary agreement. There were only two possibilities, either Murtasim would have proceeded with the marriage, or he would have pulled a ‘Meerabish antic’ and stopped it in the middle. Though, I do not know how he would have achieved it, I stick to the second option as it is the one which have more backing in my eyes.

Murtasim was still holding onto his Meerab, his ishq and his hope, there was no denying it. He is preserving everything that is ‘Meerab’ in his room. He refuses to sleep on the bed that once held his beloved and kept sleeping on the couch, because that is where his wife wanted him to sleep. If he is to marry another woman, should it not nullify everything that he is so dearly holding onto? Would he let another woman to take over the bed, the room and every other materialistic thing that held his wife’s memories? The family heirlooms and clothes that belonged to his wife should remain hers – so he claims. The declaration comes against Haya’s claim that Meerab won’t be back to have them. Those are Meerab’s ammanat – would he give away Meerab’s most prized possession, her husband, to another woman, let alone Haya? He sarcastically apologizes to Haya for forgetting that they are engaged – seriously, you can forget such things, of course, depending on with whom the engagement took place, Murtasim can, as it holds no value to him, just a ploy. Haya asks, ‘Shall we eat together?’, his answer is ‘Mere hisse ka bhi tum khalo’ – go, take my share as well and be in your temporary merry world! He sits waiting for his ‘bride’ – he is a picture of reluctance, waiting the unbearable torture to end, closes his eyes when the bride approaches him as the view itself is unendurable. Even though there was no apparent physical contact, he slightly shifts away by moving his leg when the bride sits next to him – an involuntary response from the body displaying an extreme dislike for someone. With all these, am I to believe that there might be even a slightest possibility that Murtasim Khan will proceed with the marriage? Not a chance, it is just a ruse!

The morning after his engagement with Haya, he was sleeping on the couch with his wife’s pillow, we have seen him in that sleeping positions many times, but what makes this one different is he was holding on to the pillow rather than sleeping on it. Like he was holding on to his dear life, that it means more than a mere pillow to him, that he was metamorphically holding to his wife and his love (the house staff may be shuffling the pillows while cleaning, and it might not be the same pillow as the one Meerab used, but what matters is that he picks it from her side, imagining that it is something belonging to her!).

During the engagement, through whole Anwar’s confrontation, Murtasim keeps his silence with a poker face for the most part trying to hold on to his emotions. There are few nuances flitting through him as responses to some of Anwar’s words. The strongest one is for ‘Shaadi shuda bete ki shaadi’. Murtasim abruptly looks at Anwar as someone sucker-punched him. As he can’t believe what Anwar has just uttered. It is Murtasim’s mind that harmonized Anwar’s wish at the end - ‘Till the time I don’t see her face, may I not die’. One of the heart-wrenching moment of the Ep. 56, is the manner in which he vowed his ishqthrice. Like he wanted to solemnly promise something above and beyond any other mortal bonds or promises that he made. It was his reverent pledge to the woman he loves. As to rinse off the fake ‘bond’ that he took part in making moments ago. So, for me, all the above (the pillow hugging, changes in his expressions and his ‘ishq’ vow), signify that as if he is trying to ask forgiveness from himself for breaking his already broken heart, as if he is trying to wash away the dirt – for he had taken a path against his heart’s will, though it is temporary, the ‘act’ itself is harrowing him further, so he is trying to convince that the ‘show’ is temporary and will be over soon!

If it is MB who is punishing Haya, Murtasim stopping the marriage would not be an insult to MB. He has realized that Haya’s act was successful in hoodwinking his mother into believing that Haya is innocent and deeply in love with him (MB’s dialogue that he remembers after his talk with Haya). Murtasim has always been a lone lion. We were rarely given insight to his thoughts – if I remember correctly, there were only two monologues given to him. All the other times, there were only few cryptic elements thrown here and there, while he made his decisions in his head, silently, without letting us know (Ex: his silent thinking scenes after Meerub and Murtasim’s engagement announcement, after MB’s Walima slap, post-kidnapping after he tended Meerub etc.). We only got to see his actions after he decided on something, how and why he did things are the mysteries we are supposed to solve. And we can have our own interpretations for his actions, he neither validates nor discards them; ‘Apne matlab nahi samjhata main!’ (Ep. 46) – that also is for us to decide.

If we look back at the happenings of Mariam’s kidnapping track, and take Murtasim’s actions for their face value, one can argue that he believed all the lies Haya said that night and maybe he did not even realize Haya’s involvement (more like the plotting!) in the issue, and conveniently forgot that she knew who Zubair is, that she was there when Zubair took Mariam (as it was clear with the recording) and most importantly, that she withheld all she knew till she decided to disclose them. Murtasim would be a fool to not to understand all these – there was lot of time between Zubair Malik’s phone call and Haya’s revelation; they have panicked, cried, went to that house etc. etc., before the woman leisurely conclude that it would now be the best to let the curtains fall. She waited for the build-up against Meerab, especially MB’s anger, to strike. By doing so, she had essentially delayed and even obstructed their chances of reaching Mariam earlier. So, Murtasim must have known the extent of her involvement - then why there was no action against her, why didn’t he expose her in front of the family, why not even mentioning it to her? Man had bigger problems at that time, he was hammered and heart-broken – he was not in the mood to give importance to a scheming witch. He just bottles up everything into ‘unbelievable’ stares and when he had enough of her ramblings, hit her with a single dialogue venomously – ‘Zeher lagti ho’! If he even slightly believed in the yarns that Haya was spinning, there was no meaning to this derogatory statement. But apart from this, there was no other ‘verbal’ indication from him that said he knew Haya’s kaand. So, some could say that he was stupid and did not realize Haya’s plotting, sure! But for me, that single dialogue is good as him announcing that he clearly knew that Haya is a culprit! So, what is the relation of this incident with Murtasim’s wedding plan? Trust me I am not wandering, just wanted to draw the attention how Murtasim Khan normally goes and deals with the issues!

Coming back to the events preceding his self-proposed marriage to Haya, he had already denied any possibility of an alliance to MB, requested, rather plead, not to discuss that matter with him. And just one conversation with the pixie, he changed his mind, a complete 360-degree turn! Was she that good in convincing him? Was her ‘pyaar’ (do you hear me snorting here! 😕) that strong, that Murtasim Khan finally gave in? When you look closely, you would realize, that discreet parallels could be drawn between his expressions in the dining table conversation (after he throws the napkin and sits straightening his back with a subtle sigh, as if trying to calm himself so he could put on the façade) and the ones before the ‘Zeher’ dialogue. He was absorbing and analyzing everything Haya was fabricating – she thinks he was taking her fiction as the gospel, but he was not, hence the last question – ‘Were you there at the time Meerab left?’ Does it ring any bell? She had a history of withholding such information for her benefit – he questioning her right after when he figured Meerab is missing, the whole ring finding and later Haya searching for the ring again; points he suspected her from the start. By the time they made to that dining table, He already knew the correct answer to the question, how? – does not really matter, but he just knew! So, why question her? Why not just state the fact? Her answer was his test for her, the last chance of redemption. And she failed! He waited unblinkingly for her answer, and then blinked once at her answer. So, no, he did not believe her. He let her think that he believed her. It was the only question to which he needed answers from his wife as well, like he was eagerly waiting to ask that. His need was for Meerab to corroborate what he already knew. Why would he repeat that question if he believed Haya the first time? Though there was no close up of Murtasim when Meerab answered that question, when he slowly turned towards Haya, his face had no surprise – If he believed Haya’s lie, he should have been surprised and also may be angry when he realizes that Haya had lied to him, right? But he was not, he was calm and composed, because Meerab’s answer revealed nothing new to him. However, he needed the truth from the horse’s mouth, so he emotionally bribed Haya saying he believed her earlier, and it worked as a charm to get the truth out from her.

Finally coming to the self-destructive part, I did not mean that he went ahead with the marriage proposal as a suicidal mission just to punish him. When he has told us that he would always keep his hope alive, I wouldn’t dare to assume that he gave up on the hope of his wife’s return. And it is mind-bogglingly impossible to think that another woman will be given carte blanche to rule over his room and all the other materialistic things that were his wife’s, let alone the man himself – he is incapable of doing that. What I believed was that he had a plan to somehow lure his wife from her hide-out and the marriage was used as his final resort in the plan. So, he activates the suicidal button and puts himself through the torture with the hope that his plan will work, and his wife will come and save him like his dame in the shining armour! But that hypothesis was nullified – there was no plan to bring his wife, no plans with either Saba or Farrukh. So, no, my version of ‘self-destruction’ theory fell like a house of cards in the finale episode! 👎🏼😉

The above are just my way of perceiving what I saw. There can be other viewpoints, but after scrutinizing Ep.50 -58 (like I have nothing else to do in my life, seriously!😉), this the best version that appeases and harmonises with the characters that are erected in my mind - my version of Murtasim and Meerab, so this is what I am going to believe!😊 All is well that ends well!

P.S. And sorry for the very lengthy post! 😲

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Dear Navya,

Thank you for your very kind words, and sorry for the very late response from my side. You had some valid points, I thought I’d put forth few things as replies to those. But then again, these are what I perceive. TB is a seemingly simple story, but you can find many stories within it depending on what you look for and how you see things. So, following are just my thoughts, how I saw and perceived what was shown. Of course, there can be other perspectives too.

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Just one thing I don’t seem to come to terms with and thst is Murtasum backing out right at the Qubool Hai moment .That’s just not KMK. He would never do that to his family’s izzat ? Moreover this would hurt MB a lot, MB is an innocent party in all this, he wouldn’t make his mom believe that he is marrying Haya and then leave her at the alter ..it would be an insult to his mom too…She didn’t force him to marry her so there is no way he will give this SHOCK to her….

the dining room conversation when he asked Haya to tell him the truth one last time and she lied , he believed her. He says in the last episode thst I believed you the first time but I won’t now so it’s evident that he didn’t disbelieve her . I will go with your previous analysis of him being in a self destructive mode . He is hurt and somewhere deep down he is angry with Meerab too for disappearing like this so in his self destructive mode he is inflicting pain on himself and maybe in the process punishing Meerab too for leaving him like this.


Right after watching the finale episode for the first time, I may have probably, very reluctantly and angrily agreed with you – but that would be a very momentary agreement. There were only two possibilities, either Murtasim would have proceeded with the marriage, or he would have pulled a ‘Meerabish antic’ and stopped it in the middle. Though, I do not know how he would have achieved it, I stick to the second option as it is the one which have more backing in my eyes.

Murtasim was still holding onto his Meerab, his ishq and his hope, there was no denying it. He is preserving everything that is ‘Meerab’ in his room. He refuses to sleep on the bed that once held his beloved and kept sleeping on the couch, because that is where his wife wanted him to sleep. If he is to marry another woman, should it not nullify everything that he is so dearly holding onto? Would he let another woman to take over the bed, the room and every other materialistic thing that held his wife’s memories? The family heirlooms and clothes that belonged to his wife should remain hers – so he claims. The declaration comes against Haya’s claim that Meerab won’t be back to have them. Those are Meerab’s ammanat – would he give away Meerab’s most prized possession, her husband, to another woman, let alone Haya? He sarcastically apologizes to Haya for forgetting that they are engaged – seriously, you can forget such things, of course, depending on with whom the engagement took place, Murtasim can, as it holds no value to him, just a ploy. Haya asks, ‘Shall we eat together?’, his answer is ‘Mere hisse ka bhi tum khalo’ – go, take my share as well and be in your temporary merry world! He sits waiting for his ‘bride’ – he is a picture of reluctance, waiting the unbearable torture to end, closes his eyes when the bride approaches him as the view itself is unendurable. Even though there was no apparent physical contact, he slightly shifts away by moving his leg when the bride sits next to him – an involuntary response from the body displaying an extreme dislike for someone. With all these, am I to believe that there might be even a slightest possibility that Murtasim Khan will proceed with the marriage? Not a chance, it is just a ruse!

The morning after his engagement with Haya, he was sleeping on the couch with his wife’s pillow, we have seen him in that sleeping positions many times, but what makes this one different is he was holding on to the pillow rather than sleeping on it. Like he was holding on to his dear life, that it means more than a mere pillow to him, that he was metamorphically holding to his wife and his love (the house staff may be shuffling the pillows while cleaning, and it might not be the same pillow as the one Meerab used, but what matters is that he picks it from her side, imagining that it is something belonging to her!).

During the engagement, through whole Anwar’s confrontation, Murtasim keeps his silence with a poker face for the most part trying to hold on to his emotions. There are few nuances flitting through him as responses to some of Anwar’s words. The strongest one is for ‘Shaadi shuda bete ki shaadi’. Murtasim abruptly looks at Anwar as someone sucker-punched him. As he can’t believe what Anwar has just uttered. It is Murtasim’s mind that harmonized Anwar’s wish at the end - ‘Till the time I don’t see her face, may I not die’. One of the heart-wrenching moment of the Ep. 56, is the manner in which he vowed his ishqthrice. Like he wanted to solemnly promise something above and beyond any other mortal bonds or promises that he made. It was his reverent pledge to the woman he loves. As to rinse off the fake ‘bond’ that he took part in making moments ago. So, for me, all the above (the pillow hugging, changes in his expressions and his ‘ishq’ vow), signify that as if he is trying to ask forgiveness from himself for breaking his already broken heart, as if he is trying to wash away the dirt – for he had taken a path against his heart’s will, though it is temporary, the ‘act’ itself is harrowing him further, so he is trying to convince that the ‘show’ is temporary and will be over soon!

If it is MB who is punishing Haya, Murtasim stopping the marriage would not be an insult to MB. He has realized that Haya’s act was successful in hoodwinking his mother into believing that Haya is innocent and deeply in love with him (MB’s dialogue that he remembers after his talk with Haya). Murtasim has always been a lone lion. We were rarely given insight to his thoughts – if I remember correctly, there were only two monologues given to him. All the other times, there were only few cryptic elements thrown here and there, while he made his decisions in his head, silently, without letting us know (Ex: his silent thinking scenes after Meerub and Murtasim’s engagement announcement, after MB’s Walima slap, post-kidnapping after he tended Meerub etc.). We only got to see his actions after he decided on something, how and why he did things are the mysteries we are supposed to solve. And we can have our own interpretations for his actions, he neither validates nor discards them; ‘Apne matlab nahi samjhata main!’ (Ep. 46) – that also is for us to decide.

If we look back at the happenings of Mariam’s kidnapping track, and take Murtasim’s actions for their face value, one can argue that he believed all the lies Haya said that night and maybe he did not even realize Haya’s involvement (more like the plotting!) in the issue, and conveniently forgot that she knew who Zubair is, that she was there when Zubair took Mariam (as it was clear with the recording) and most importantly, that she withheld all she knew till she decided to disclose them. Murtasim would be a fool to not to understand all these – there was lot of time between Zubair Malik’s phone call and Haya’s revelation; they have panicked, cried, went to that house etc. etc., before the woman leisurely conclude that it would now be the best to let the curtains fall. She waited for the build-up against Meerab, especially MB’s anger, to strike. By doing so, she had essentially delayed and even obstructed their chances of reaching Mariam earlier. So, Murtasim must have known the extent of her involvement - then why there was no action against her, why didn’t he expose her in front of the family, why not even mentioning it to her? Man had bigger problems at that time, he was hammered and heart-broken – he was not in the mood to give importance to a scheming witch. He just bottles up everything into ‘unbelievable’ stares and when he had enough of her ramblings, hit her with a single dialogue venomously – ‘Zeher lagti ho’! If he even slightly believed in the yarns that Haya was spinning, there was no meaning to this derogatory statement. But apart from this, there was no other ‘verbal’ indication from him that said he knew Haya’s kaand. So, some could say that he was stupid and did not realize Haya’s plotting, sure! But for me, that single dialogue is good as him announcing that he clearly knew that Haya is a culprit! So, what is the relation of this incident with Murtasim’s wedding plan? Trust me I am not wandering, just wanted to draw the attention how Murtasim Khan normally goes and deals with the issues!

Coming back to the events preceding his self-proposed marriage to Haya, he had already denied any possibility of an alliance to MB, requested, rather plead, not to discuss that matter with him. And just one conversation with the pixie, he changed his mind, a complete 360-degree turn! Was she that good in convincing him? Was her ‘pyaar’ (do you hear me snorting here! 😕) that strong, that Murtasim Khan finally gave in? When you look closely, you would realize, that discreet parallels could be drawn between his expressions in the dining table conversation (after he throws the napkin and sits straightening his back with a subtle sigh, as if trying to calm himself so he could put on the façade) and the ones before the ‘Zeher’ dialogue. He was absorbing and analyzing everything Haya was fabricating – she thinks he was taking her fiction as the gospel, but he was not, hence the last question – ‘Were you there at the time Meerab left?’ Does it ring any bell? She had a history of withholding such information for her benefit – he questioning her right after when he figured Meerab is missing, the whole ring finding and later Haya searching for the ring again; points he suspected her from the start. By the time they made to that dining table, He already knew the correct answer to the question, how? – does not really matter, but he just knew! So, why question her? Why not just state the fact? Her answer was his test for her, the last chance of redemption. And she failed! He waited unblinkingly for her answer, and then blinked once at her answer. So, no, he did not believe her. He let her think that he believed her. It was the only question to which he needed answers from his wife as well, like he was eagerly waiting to ask that. His need was for Meerab to corroborate what he already knew. Why would he repeat that question if he believed Haya the first time? Though there was no close up of Murtasim when Meerab answered that question, when he slowly turned towards Haya, his face had no surprise – If he believed Haya’s lie, he should have been surprised and also may be angry when he realizes that Haya had lied to him, right? But he was not, he was calm and composed, because Meerab’s answer revealed nothing new to him. However, he needed the truth from the horse’s mouth, so he emotionally bribed Haya saying he believed her earlier, and it worked as a charm to get the truth out from her.

Finally coming to the self-destructive part, I did not mean that he went ahead with the marriage proposal as a suicidal mission just to punish him. When he has told us that he would always keep his hope alive, I wouldn’t dare to assume that he gave up on the hope of his wife’s return. And it is mind-bogglingly impossible to think that another woman will be given carte blanche to rule over his room and all the other materialistic things that were his wife’s, let alone the man himself – he is incapable of doing that. What I believed was that he had a plan to somehow lure his wife from her hide-out and the marriage was used as his final resort in the plan. So, he activates the suicidal button and puts himself through the torture with the hope that his plan will work, and his wife will come and save him like his dame in the shining armour! But that hypothesis was nullified – there was no plan to bring his wife, no plans with either Saba or Farrukh. So, no, my version of ‘self-destruction’ theory fell like a house of cards in the finale episode! 👎🏼😉

The above are just my way of perceiving what I saw. There can be other viewpoints, but after scrutinizing Ep.50 -58 (like I have nothing else to do in my life, seriously!😉), this the best version that appeases and harmonises with the characters that are erected in my mind - my version of Murtasim and Meerab, so this is what I am going to believe!😊 All is well that ends well!

P.S. And sorry for the very lengthy post! 😲

. Thanks a lot Anu for taking time out and explaining so beautifully….I go with your analysis completely ….my thought process in total sync with yours. 🤗
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Really love to read such beautiful analysis of such a nice drama. Reading itself gives sukoon .

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PART-1 MEERAB-MURTASIM-WITH THOSE WHO DO NOT MATTER

Finale was not a question-and-answer session like a court trial. Meerab didn’t need to know what Murtasim’s plans for Haya were, and he didn’t ask her why she left, where she was or who she stayed with. Meerab and Murtasim trusted that whatever decisions they each made had a purpose, and we had faith in the integrity of their characters. They did not repeat the mistakes of the past where they interrogated each other and jumped to the wrong conclusions. They will take their time to discuss what happened, it is just unfortunate we ran out of time with them.

Was Murtasim planning on marry Haya, no he was not. His poignant remarks and ambiguous behaviours in the finale can be interpreted as him having a plan for Haya. Murtasim’s soliloquys on loving forever and waiting endlessly for his Meerab were not pointless speeches they meant something. Would it be easier to us if it was shown, but where is the fun in that and when did this dynamic duo ever make it easy for us. Meerab was Murtasim’s trial in love, their contentious actions were the audience’s trial to test our loyalty for TB, but if they didn’t fail each other how can we fail them. The final verdict is they might not have rewarded us, but they did not betray Meerab and Murtasim, so we pardon them.

Episode starts with the second ‘Qubool Hai’ ask from Maulvi to Haya, she had already said her first ‘Qubool Hai’. Murtasim leans in mouth parted ready to interrupt the ceremony when Meerab walks in, world stops spinning. If there was ever any doubt if Murtasim was going to marry Haya, then Haya herself clears this up with her diatribe. She is a lying delusional character whatever she says the opposite must be true. The fact that she firmly believes that if Meerab had not come Murtasim would have married her proves that he was never going to marry her regardless of whether Meerab showed up or not. The answer is not told instead shown to us as Haya is not dressed like Murtasim’s bride. Her fantasy the veil will cover her face when she married him is not realized because she is not his bride. She has no mehndi, she is not given the dignity of a full bridal regalia nor is she wearing maang tikka a critical piece of bridal jewelry, visually she is shown that she is no one’s bride let alone Murtasim’s.

Before Murtasim’s mock wedding to Haya, he said Meerab’s jewelry was her amanat which indicated that he intended for her to return one day to reclaim it back. Meerab’s most valuable amanat is Murtasim himself, do we really expect him to give himself up when he can’t even part with a piece of jewelry.

Once it was confirmed that Rohail did not instigate Meerab to leave him, he must know he gets the largest share of the blame in her staying away. His marriage to Haya is an act of treachery that will compound his sin and forever block her return to him. If he was saying and doing everything in his power to keep all avenues of her return open, why would he commit an evil deed at a time when he finally got hope from Saba that Meerab will return one day. In any other show we would have said hero will get cold feet at the last-minute and run after the heroine, but Murtasim was never your typical male lead. He had a purpose in announcing his wedding to Haya, he was determined at the engagement, and at the nuptials he looked every second of this nonsense was making him physically ill. Why put himself through this nightmare if he was never going to marry her?

Why is Murtasim hung up on Haya’s involvement in Meerab’s disappearance? He knows better than anyone that Meerab will do what she wants to do, Haya has no influence over either of them. Meerab herself said only she has the authority to detach Murtasim from her, no one has the power to separate them but themselves. He is not asking if Haya instigated Meerab to leave, only if she knew Meerab left because if she had informed the family earlier then he would have found Meerab sooner. If he truly believed Haya’s innocence, why is he asking Meerab for clarification, unless he always knew Haya was lying. This was a giant ruse from him to rid Haya from his house. What is consistent with Murtasim’s character is that he doesn’t get involved in house politics, he wanted his mother to throw Haya out. He was putting on a show like he knew nothing to force his mother’s hand and get rid of this nuisance. If Meerab hadn’t shown up when she did, he still would have called off the wedding and thrown her out. He resorted to staging the wedding because Haya was refusing to marry any man but him and he needed to give her shock treatment to put an end to her ails. He removes the ring from Haya’s fingers making sure to not even touch her while doing so. The Khan family rule states ‘Akhri faisla Murtasim ka hai’, but he doesn’t throw his weight around, he respects the dominion of his mother over the house, and he keeps his rule to the village.

Murtasim’s conversation with Farukh highlights how much wiser he has gotten. The earlier him would have lost it if he was lied to and his anger would have been provoked if Meerab and Meesam were addressed as another man’s wife and daughter. Farukh said it was Meerab’s decision to stay away, and for Murtasim ‘Meerab ki Marzi’ is gospel it overrides all other edicts. Him thanking and respecting Farukh means he is honoring his wife’s choice. Farukh returns Meerab’s chain back to him and calls it a symbol of their love. His problem with Rohail was never that he was a man, but he was a villain disguising as a friend. Thankfully they have gained a true lifelong friend in Farukh, they bid each other goodbyes for now and will be a part of each other lives.

PART-2 MEERAB-MURTASIM-MEESAM

Audiences had few questions that needed answers in the finale, but you will get what you are looking for if you asked the right questions. Tere Bin (TB) had always been about double speak dialogues, showing us their intentions more through their actions rather than telling us. That made this show and this couple both fascinating and frustrating to watch. Meerab and Murtasim are a secret, crack their code you will get more than your heart’s fill.

Murtasim’s is shocked at seeing Meerab, subconsciously walks towards her and flashbacks to the ishq conversation, his love trial is finally over. Anwar greets his daughter with a tearful hug, this was a father’s moment with his estranged daughter, and he said everything that the husband’s painful gaze was asking. Meerab is attacked by rubbish accusations, and Murtasim could not move quick enough to shield her. The wife is answerable to only her husband, her eyes fixed on him she says Meesam is Murtasim’s daughter. Visibly shaken he walks towards his child in amazement as tears drip down his face. He finally breaks his silence when Haya dares to touch what is precious to him. Murtasim’s famous ‘meri biwi hai’ dialogue is back, how much we missed hearing that, but that added ‘meri beti hai’ has a different command to it. Touch a man’s wife he will hunt you down but touch his daughter he will burn the world down. His final words ‘no one will question my wife and all he wanted was her to come back home’ proves two things, he never suspected of her having run off with Rohail and he was waiting for her to return. His vigil terminates if he took a second wife because he of all people should know Meerab will never return to a man to be his seconds, unless he was never planning on marrying Haya. The king has passed his judgement, snuff it Ma Begum and Haya, step aside Anwar your script is over.

Murtasim walks towards his family to reunite with them. His eyes shift from Meesam to Meerab, there is no blame or accusation there just disbelief. He knew his wife will make a spectacular entrance back into his life, shocking him with her actions is her specialty but he couldn’t have predicted this outcome. He is the luckiest unlucky father, he got rewarded for his patience with 2 in 1 bonus waiting in hell for his love to come back to him. Those that accept destiny’s gift with grace and humility will live to enjoy its fruits, but that fruit will rot if you dwell on the losses. It is sad he missed out on his baby’s first crawl, but he will be there to see her run, he missed out on her first tears, but he will make sure she never cries again, he might have missed out on her first word, but he is the only one she will call father. Murtasim puts his arms around his Meerab, cradles his child, they have eyes only for each other. She holds his finger as they walk away back to their world.

Meerab is back in their bedroom sitting on her side of the bed putting her daughter back to sleep. Murtasim and Meerab smile at each other at the mention of Meesam’s name. He is still processing he has become a father; he confirms with his wife on where to sit, how to touch and kiss his own daughter. He sits on Meerab’s side of the bed for the first time. He displays shyness as a new father, even though Meesam is his child he is new in his daughter’s life. He will not demand his rights he has to earn it, learn it, and own it. He is the hero of consent whether it is his rights as a husband or as a father he never acts entitled. He has taken the Japanese bullet train straight to his daughter’s heart, he will get there faster than Usain Bolt finishing the 100 m dash. Amongst all this tension we have comedy, who dare knock on the door and disturb his baby’s sleep. How many times have they been bothered before because of those untimely knocks, we finally see his aggravation as he stares down Saba scandalized. Farukh who he doesn’t care his attention is all on his sleeping angel. Wife must remind him that they must thank Farukh and he reluctantly parts from Meesam with another soft kiss.

Meerab has her ring, chain, and nose ring back. She has reclaimed her rightful place as Khan Murtasim Khan’s begum. She is lying on his side of the bed for the first time. Murtasim walks into the room quite as a mouse so as not to disturb Meesam’s nap. Meerab sees her husband take to the couch in a depressed state. He asks her to sit beside him on the sofa with a nervous please, she doesn’t know how to respond seeing his anxious state. He tells her this house, their room, everything is the same waiting for her to return. He was never going to marry and give rights to a new wife to change the very things he was painstakingly preserving for his beloved. He did not allow the room to be decorated to welcome a new bride because there was never going to be a wedding. He talks about conquering his biggest weakness his anger, but this change does not impress her it breaks her heart. He tells her he doesn’t exist without her, so him marrying Haya is him being suicidal, unless he never intended to.

A king kneels before his queen like he did once before to apologize and pleads with her to not leave him again. Murtasim’s affirmation of love for Meerab comes under duress for a third time. Loving Meerab is his greatest joy and his inevitable torment. He ran towards this pain willingly and would not abandon it even if it killed him. A man does not to need to become a devil for him to apologize. Men for generations are depicted so wickedly on TV that we instinctively jump to the worst conclusions. A husband who has no reservations in saying his pleases and thank-yous will apologize even if he did nothing wrong. What could he be apologizing for; as her shield failing in his duty to protect her from herself, walking out on her when she needed him the most, for not finding her sooner, for not deploying pest control on Haya, lacking in understanding of the Maryam debacle, being quick to anger, should have been more patient regarding Rohail.

Murtasim never demanded Meerab change for him, he will become whoever he wants her to be to live up to her expectations. Meerab doesn’t want this and is grieved at his vanquished state. Happiness of getting Meerab back in his life has dulled his senses. She teases him with ‘I won’t leave you on 1 condition’ but ends up making 4 conditions and he doesn’t recognize her prank till the 3rd condition. He suffers from contract PTSD, hearing the word ‘condition’ took him back to their wedding contract. She cheekily says her 3rd condition is no matter what happens ‘I am always right’. He realizes that she is not talking about what she expects from him, but about what she did to him and will continue to do like pestering him and making demands. He happily accepts all her conditions and Meerab gets what she really wants her husband’s smile back. They say their final vow together ‘Murtasim will always do what Meerab wants’. They get married again in front of their daughter and Meesam merrily waves back at them good job parents proud of you. The old contract is over, they have drafted a new contract and daughter is witness. They did not talk about what they lost but look forward to all they will gain.

Meerab has eyes on her husband and Murtasim has eyes on their daughter, they declare Meesam is pyari like the other at the same time. This is as close to a ‘I love you’ you will get from Meerab to Murtasim. He asks her to wipe away his tears but when she happily complies, he is not used to it pulls her hands away and cradles her head, he likes being her protector. He will learn to lean on her more as she gets stronger, they will become each other’s shield. Curtains fall on Meerab and Murtasim’s world, we are not privy to rest of their conversation as we bid them goodbye.

This was never a story where the man was waiting for the woman to say I love you. Murtasim always knew Meerab loved him; his only panic was that she would leave him, and she promises she will never do that again assuaging his fears forever. He confirmed her feelings post the fish allergy incident when he teased her about having fallen in love with him. She of course vehemently denies it and his look was happier than when Sherlock Holmes cracked a case. He got what he wanted in episode 14 and we heard what we were begging for when she confessed her feelings in episode 57. Meerab is a puzzle for us, and her declaration of love was for the world as he predicted. He perhaps got the decibel of her admission wrong oh well he can’t get it all right. He knew who she was and what he needed to wait for.

Meerab has become a lawyer after a time skip. With or without a degree she was, is and will always be Murtasim’s pride, but now she can be proud of herself too. A wife’s victory is a husband’s victory, he is buoyed seeing her glowing face. Her identity is full restored, she is the influence behind her husband’s reign, she has her own responsibilities as Khaani, she is a mother, she is a wife, and she has a career of her own. It was she that reaches out to hold Ma Begum’s hands a sign that the past is behind them, and they are truly family now. She has her mother in law’s support and her husband’s unwavering devotion, it took her a detour to get to the life she wanted but she finally did. The real power between the trinity is her, to the victor goes the spoils she walks away confident to see her daughter.

Murtasim once promised Meerab he would show her around the fields and now he is. He is leading her in his protective role like he has done so many times before, but never again will he turn his back on her. They will head to their destination together with smiles on their face. She has her dupatta out, she is an uncaged bird flying, he joins her and lets her fly to her heart’s content during the day. She is not in her signature closed arms stance, her arms open to the skies, she is ready to give and receive love without any fear or reservations. When dusk sets in he gently grabs the dupatta to wrap her up to protect her from the cold and darkness, he caresses her gently as he takes her back under his shelter.

CAPTION- The struggle in any love story is getting to the I love you stage, but what if falling in love is the easy part. Tere Bin is a story not about a couple falling in love with each other but inspiring each other to reach their highest potential whilst learning to share a life together.

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