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Posted: 10 years ago
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Definitely we both send up thinking the same...
I am also sure jalal is doing the socho ko Taulna thing now too
He was comparing his two begums one very willingly shares her husband with any woman and happily does it only thing when she feels threatened is when her audha is unsafe.
Being a man jalal always felt a little less wanted as a man for his wife.
Jalal was too happy when jodha got jealous and possessive for him because that was his lack in life.
He was in search of this kind of love and jodha filled that void in him.
The oil maalish scene with bandhi was also significant some epi back..jodha dint even budged an inch till that bandhi was away from the sight, the moment poor thing was away lo the queen was sitting next to him with a puppy face.
So this was a subtle continuation of the same streak of Jodha which makes jallu run behind her.
As per history MUZ was a right hand in many affairs of sultanate.. what I feel manasi that sujamal is not going to be caught now this track is to restore amers honour and elevate bhagwan and mansingh so both maham and adham become desperados...
May be suja comes to meet jodha and is not recognized he is unable to meet her and in the meanwhile mewat news comes so sujamal flees and is helped b y cheapu.
Jalal can be both jealous and possessive and suja card will not be open now it is a big card.like you im also of the same opinion that no MU is coming due to suja may be confusion nothing more.
This track was necessary to subdue ruquaiya and may be a new palace to jodha.
But my point is why jodha still away from love?

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Posted: 10 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: peepu

Definitely we both send up thinking the same...

I am also sure jalal is doing the socho ko Taulna thing now too
He was comparing his two begums one very willingly shares her husband with any woman and happily does it only thing when she feels threatened is when her audha is unsafe.
Being a man jalal always felt a little less wanted as a man for his wife.
Jalal was too happy when jodha got jealous and possessive for him because that was his lack in life.
He was in search of this kind of love and jodha filled that void in him.
The oil maalish scene with bandhi was also significant some epi back..jodha dint even budged an inch till that bandhi was away from the sight, the moment poor thing was away lo the queen was sitting next to him with a puppy face.
So this was a subtle continuation of the same streak of Jodha which makes jallu run behind her.
As per history MUZ was a right hand in many affairs of sultanate.. what I feel manasi that sujamal is not going to be caught now this track is to restore amers honour and elevate bhagwan and mansingh so both maham and adham become desperados...
May be suja comes to meet jodha and is not recognized he is unable to meet her and in the meanwhile mewat news comes so sujamal flees and is helped b y cheapu.
Jalal can be both jealous and possessive and suja card will not be open now it is a big card.like you im also of the same opinion that no MU is coming due to suja may be confusion nothing more.
This track was necessary to subdue ruquaiya and may be a new palace to jodha.
But my point is why jodha still away from love?



Jo is not away from love... she is not ready to voice her feelings, as she is unsure abt his feelings... one more reason is that she is not ready to believe that he will support her in no matter what happens in her life... the day she will start trusting him completely, she will not shy away from love...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Very good analysis , Mansi... certainly not a filler episode.. the story continued , though slowly, still there was a progress on every front, such as , AkDha relationship in understanding and supporting eachother, Ruku-Hoshiyaar angle, Ruku's poltting, AK leaving Agra, Jo crying inwordly for Sujamal, and finally Ameris again at their selfish best...

Jo and Sujamal... must say both these brother and sister right r unfortunate where relationship is concerned... who can stand by whom? Jo for Sujamal or sujamal for Jo? to be frank, both were backstabbed by their own ppl... while Sujamal's right to throne was snatched from him , Jo was actually sold ... whether we like this or not, but this is the harsh truth... nobody ever asked her what she wants, she was just asked to sacrifice... and she did.. but Sujamal fought back for his rights ... the wrong thing was that he took help from SD, but then which Rajvanshi stood by both Jo and Sujamal? and the main thing that both the time beneficiary was Bharmal and his sons... they got throne intact...

i know many will say that in 16th century woman's wish was never asked... but the fact is, it's same even in today's world... so why blame 16th century?

anyway, that's not the point ,i want to make.. i just say i won't blame sujamal completely , coz he too has suffered just like Jo for the greed of Bharmal and co... and the worst thing is this greed was named as duties and responsibilities of a king...

Ok, Jodha , later got support from Akbar (if this is the real truth), but before that, the struggle she must have done for making her own place in Agra, is just Gr8... how can she stand by sujamal, how much she wanted to do it, when till date she is not sure of her own place? when she is not sure, if she stands by Sujamal, Jalal will believe her words and will let Sujamal go free? and if she has to face one more humiliation , her so called backstabber family of amer will never stand by her... and when she needed him most, even Sujamal wasn't there with her... so i don't think Jodha really has any option but accept Jalal's decision, whatever her own feelings for Sujamal will be...

and abt sujamal, then, when he himself had nothing to survive, what support he could offer Jodha?

and Jodha, then she really didn't have any other option than supporting Jalal... coz first thing she didn't know the truth abt this war, and she didn't have any proof to prove that Sujamal is innocent or may be right... so she has to support Jalal... and had she opposed, then she only had to suffer...may be one more humiliation from Jalal and rest of his family... and then she knew her so called family (Ameri) can go to any extent to keep their rule over Amer... (sorry i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings... but the harsh truth is her family actually sold her to Jalal to keep Amer safe)... so what she can do but to support Jalal, whatever she may feel abt Sujamal?

and then she has seen Jalal has a real good, kindhearted person inside, and he has stood by her, though he has hurt her more... still it's nothing compared to the hurt her own ppl has given her... so it's quite natural if Jalal becomes her priority than those of her own ppl now... and in this case, she knows Jalal is right..and she has always stood by the right ... what she doesn't know is sujamal's truth... so how can she fight for him?

but i think, time will come, when Jalal may talk to her abt Sujamal, and then may be he will think that Sujamal may not be wrong ... i m hoping Jo to meet Sujamal , but then she will inform Jalal abt the meeting, or may be she herself will handover Sujamal to Jalal... and Jalal may release sujamal for Jodha's happiness...but this is just my guess... let's see what we get

yest when i saw Jo crying for Sujamal, feeling helpless, i really felt bad... a princess of rajvanshi state and a Khaas Begum of the emperor is so helpless... isn't that a cruel game of fate?

and Jalal exactly understands this... the best thing was, he has already made a decision abt sujamal... but he made a point to tell it to her himself and thus kept her respect as his wife and as a queen...coz had it been somebody else who had told her abt sujamal, and Jalal's decision abt him, then it would have been her disrespect , and she would have been made to suffer the criticism from others... but now Jalal himself has taken care that she is informed, and been consented with, so now if anybody tries to taunt her over the matter, it will be Jalal who will answer it, and put the questioning person in their right place, thus saving Jo from direct humiliation...Just loved Jalal for this way of taking care of her feelings...

abt that Jalal warning Jo, then he is telling her the truth abt the life he has lived till date... however unpleasunt , but it's the truth of his life, that the woman in harem were just for his pleasure... and now after Jo has came into his life, and his view abt life has started changing, then , he is looking towards everything differently... and he is ready to change... while he is testing her by telling abt her duties as harem in-charge, he teases her abt her possessiveness of him indirectly... and if not in direct words, but it's his way to tell her that if he got what he wants ( and that herself) , then may be her those duties need not be attended , coz he may not need to go to others... Hope , Jo understands the unspoken meaning of his words...

rest, we all know Jo will win , how much Ruku tries to put hurdles in her way... and Jalal too will support her... only thing i m interested in ,is to see if he supports her directly or indirectly...

loved these lines... exactly but jodha when will she say that you must be an idiot to visit other woman leaving me...lol
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha



Jo is not away from love... she is not ready to voice her feelings, as she is unsure abt his feelings... one more reason is that she is not ready to believe that he will support her in no matter what happens in her life... the day she will start trusting him completely, she will not shy away from love...

perhaps this track will bring that confidence ti her when jalal gives a royal boot to others and goes in favour of jodha
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: peepu

perhaps this track will bring that confidence ti her when jalal gives a royal boot to others and goes in favour of jodha



a different angle might be there... this idols issue... if after the heated arguments btw Jo-Jalal -Ruku and others , and Jo denies allegations of Ruku and later asks Jalal to let the Hindu Dassis also do the prayers like her, and he agrees to it, then she will trust him most...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46
Great analysis for a so so episode!!

Jalaal will definitely see thru Ruqu's saazish today as he was already hinting Jo that she is in a war coz he knows how Ruqu is!! Anyway, Jo will b the winner but the ques is will she give the powers back to Ruqu after making her realize of her faults?? I think she will, coz as Jalaal said she wud not like to do some of the work she will have to as the head of harem like keeping a record of who he is spending time with and stuff!!

But i m just waiting for their romance and direct confession, gid knows when that will come
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Ayushi, as usual your points are nailing it perfectly. You have a knack of hitting the correct points. But the part I have underlined seemed most powerful of all to me!👏

MANSI, I POINT I REMEMBERED, YESTERDAY I WROTE IN ELA THREAD MAYBEE;;;;;

MURTIES WILL HELP JODHA TO BRING HINDUSIM IN MAHAL, &HINDU DASSIES WILL GET RIGHT TO WORSHIP THEIR GOD.

FIRSTELY THIS CHANGE COME INPLACE
SECONDLY OUTSIDE PLACE.

AKBAR 'S KINGDOM PEOPLE BELIVES IN HINDUSIM, SO MAYBEE STARTED IN THIS WAY

RUK PLAN WILL FLOP. THEN NEXT PLAN WILL SHEJOINED WITH MAHAM.😆 😆





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Posted: 10 years ago
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Di...awesome analysis... 🤗

Nothing much to discuss as the episode was dedicated to harem politics
...and ruku have started her move...its like a chess game that ruku have set up...on one hand its ruku n on the other is jodha...she has made a move n place her pawn in the right place in form of hoshiyar...its jodha turn to move a pawn...everything is fair in love n war n thats what happening here...can't wait to see how jodha moves her pawn using her brain n heart

Akdha scenes...well di...I felt he was just teasing jodha...n u went into a deeper issue...if u remember the after boat ride...akdha convo after ruku left...he told jodha that he decides whom he will spend time with n noone can stop him...noone schedule for him...why a sudden he brought this issue when he decides...I felt its nothing that serious but just teasing jodha since she is too lost n mood off due to sujamal issue n he knows that...he was hinting abt her smile whenever she meets him...jallu is fully supports jodha...infact he wants her to take the harem responsibility...I don't think he wants jodha to give up...

I think seeing all this harem politics...after winning the post...I feel jodha will return it to ruku...n thats how jallu see the difference b/w his both wives...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I know he is, and I completely agree with you Mansi, but, if the CVs wanted Jodha to give up the harem responsibilities soon after winning the elections, why make this grand show of showing the dark side of harem happenings to Jodha?
Jalaal's mind is a Pandora's box, that has all kinds of ideas, but a maze that I won't want to go near. 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Very good analysis , Mansi... certainly not a filler episode.. the story continued , though slowly, still there was a progress on every front, such as , AkDha relationship in understanding and supporting eachother, Ruku-Hoshiyaar angle, Ruku's poltting, AK leaving Agra, Jo crying inwordly for Sujamal, and finally Ameris again at their selfish best...

Jo and Sujamal... must say both these brother and sister right r unfortunate where relationship is concerned... who can stand by whom? Jo for Sujamal or sujamal for Jo? to be frank, both were backstabbed by their own ppl... while Sujamal's right to throne was snatched from him , Jo was actually sold ... whether we like this or not, but this is the harsh truth... nobody ever asked her what she wants, she was just asked to sacrifice... and she did.. but Sujamal fought back for his rights ... the wrong thing was that he took help from SD, but then which Rajvanshi stood by both Jo and Sujamal? and the main thing that both the time beneficiary was Bharmal and his sons... they got throne intact...

i know many will say that in 16th century woman's wish was never asked... but the fact is, it's same even in today's world... so why blame 16th century?

anyway, that's not the point ,i want to make.. i just say i won't blame sujamal completely , coz he too has suffered just like Jo for the greed of Bharmal and co... and the worst thing is this greed was named as duties and responsibilities of a king...

Ok, Jodha , later got support from Akbar (if this is the real truth), but before that, the struggle she must have done for making her own place in Agra, is just Gr8... how can she stand by sujamal, how much she wanted to do it, when till date she is not sure of her own place? when she is not sure, if she stands by Sujamal, Jalal will believe her words and will let Sujamal go free? and if she has to face one more humiliation , her so called backstabber family of amer will never stand by her... and when she needed him most, even Sujamal wasn't there with her... so i don't think Jodha really has any option but accept Jalal's decision, whatever her own feelings for Sujamal will be...

and abt sujamal, then, when he himself had nothing to survive, what support he could offer Jodha?

and Jodha, then she really didn't have any other option than supporting Jalal... coz first thing she didn't know the truth abt this war, and she didn't have any proof to prove that Sujamal is innocent or may be right... so she has to support Jalal... and had she opposed, then she only had to suffer...may be one more humiliation from Jalal and rest of his family... and then she knew her so called family (Ameri) can go to any extent to keep their rule over Amer... (sorry i don't want to hurt anybody's feelings... but the harsh truth is her family actually sold her to Jalal to keep Amer safe)... so what she can do but to support Jalal, whatever she may feel abt Sujamal?

and then she has seen Jalal has a real good, kindhearted person inside, and he has stood by her, though he has hurt her more... still it's nothing compared to the hurt her own ppl has given her... so it's quite natural if Jalal becomes her priority than those of her own ppl now... and in this case, she knows Jalal is right..and she has always stood by the right ... what she doesn't know is sujamal's truth... so how can she fight for him?

but i think, time will come, when Jalal may talk to her abt Sujamal, and then may be he will think that Sujamal may not be wrong ... i m hoping Jo to meet Sujamal , but then she will inform Jalal abt the meeting, or may be she herself will handover Sujamal to Jalal... and Jalal may release sujamal for Jodha's happiness...but this is just my guess... let's see what we get

yest when i saw Jo crying for Sujamal, feeling helpless, i really felt bad... a princess of rajvanshi state and a Khaas Begum of the emperor is so helpless... isn't that a cruel game of fate?

and Jalal exactly understands this... the best thing was, he has already made a decision abt sujamal... but he made a point to tell it to her himself and thus kept her respect as his wife and as a queen...coz had it been somebody else who had told her abt sujamal, and Jalal's decision abt him, then it would have been her disrespect , and she would have been made to suffer the criticism from others... but now Jalal himself has taken care that she is informed, and been consented with, so now if anybody tries to taunt her over the matter, it will be Jalal who will answer it, and put the questioning person in their right place, thus saving Jo from direct humiliation...Just loved Jalal for this way of taking care of her feelings...

abt that Jalal warning Jo, then he is telling her the truth abt the life he has lived till date... however unpleasunt , but it's the truth of his life, that the woman in harem were just for his pleasure... and now after Jo has came into his life, and his view abt life has started changing, then , he is looking towards everything differently... and he is ready to change... while he is testing her by telling abt her duties as harem in-charge, he teases her abt her possessiveness of him indirectly... and if not in direct words, but it's his way to tell her that if he got what he wants ( and that herself) , then may be her those duties need not be attended , coz he may not need to go to others... Hope , Jo understands the unspoken meaning of his words...

rest, we all know Jo will win , how much Ruku tries to put hurdles in her way... and Jalal too will support her... only thing i m interested in ,is to see if he supports her directly or indirectly...

Diksha, lovely post! Especially the way you have described the full dynamics of the Sujamal-Jodha relationship and its good and tough parts!👏👏👏👏
Actually Diksha, though I often feel sorry for the state Sujamal is in, I sometimes can fully understand why Bharmal chose Bhagwan das and not Sujamal as his successor.
1. Suhjamal thought the throne was automatically his because his father was the Raja before his younger brother Bharmal became Raja when he died. Now Sujamal therefore assumed he would get the throne that his father occupied, But Bharmal was correct in giving the thromne to the best son for the job.
2. In Bharmal's eyes, Sujamal was a bit of a hothead. he took rash decisions, and most of all he fought with other Rajvanshi pprinces themselves so Bharmal thought he needed a successor who was a pacifist - more conciliatory, more sedate and strong minded, less prone to knee jerk reactions and one could help to consolidate the warring Rajvanshis rather than fragment them.
3. Sujamal was a good brother to Jodha teaching her many arts and he himself was an outstanding sipahi, but we do not know how reliable he was to Bharmal, isn't it? So the sister may carry a good impression of him, but her father may not carry such a good impression of his nephew?
For these and many other reasons Sujamal looks like a bit of a rash and reckless person. But he has his own charm and his own relationship with Jodha was something only they could understand who shared that bond.
I hope one day Jalal understands this bond, just as he himself had a bond with bairam Khan. Bairam to the rest of the world was aruthless blood thirsty man and he did teach that to Jalal, yet there was a bond of love between Jalal and bairam which Jalal only will understand and others won't. That is the sort of inexplicable thing that Jodha has with Sujamal, I feel.
Anyway, let's see how the story progresses. It is interesting!
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