Did you know- Akbar? - Page 9

Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

why u laughing?😆U know Abul Fazil was very orthodox, and a biased men.He praised MM when she i think did something horrible against 2 women, and blaming the women. I think it was Adham who had forced himself on them. I read about it somewhere.🥱

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I think you are talking of rani roopmati who committed suicide to save honor or the two slave girls whom adham used and killed. How could akbar believe Maham anga version? 😡

Hello dear,
I did not mean that he directly spoke ill of his father but, if u notice , there's a lot of reference to Akbar's actions in Jehangir-nama which would automatically lead readers to wonder what kind of a addict or Womanizer he was...!!! He reference to his birth parents as "Revered father"or "Revered Mother " etc etc was not becoz of his extreme respect, but was the courtesy of royal writing norms and he was a very polished Emperor surely...However, his way of reference to his mother does show his divine respect for her persona...
U see , there's a lot of ways to implicate discreetly about a person's character or habits in a shady way ...and that's exactly what Jehangir did...as in his position or era, direct accusation about Akbar the Great would not have been taken nicely...😊
He might have been honest but we cannot vouch that his notions or POV were all correct for that matter...He had some prejudices and those were evident from his repentance abt not being Very close with his birth Parents...!!
😊

Originally posted by: myviewprem

But Jehangir was quiet honest for an emperor in his diary

He said he rebelled against father- this was not mentioned in akbarnama, so if he had not written we would not know he had rebelled.

He does not speak ill of his brothers/sisters (which aurangzeb did- in his autobiography his father, brothers, sisters all are very bad only he is good). He only points to all their good points and weakness including his own,

He talks of his errors he made like ordering someone's killing, drinking problems, even influence of Nur Jahan. He says "he sold empire to Nur Jahan for a glass of wine and two pieces meat". He says emperor is always lonely cannot trust even his family they stick to him because of his power.

In one place he says "If humans had 10% of honesty compared to animals the world would be better and his work would reduce"

He speaks of his father-in-laws theft and his brother-in-laws betrayal etc how he cannot forgive them

He never speak one word against his father-mother in autobiography and almost praises them to God status.

That historians are assuming this would have happened by noting recordings of letters from travellers, ambassdors written in those times. Like Akbar slapped Salim in front of courtiers once so they write in letter emperor slapped his children so they are rebellious. Salim himself mentioned his parents never had time for him and he felt very lonely. Salim basically was sent to war at age of 7 and till 17 years he was in wars only never came back to agra, may be he is angry about that with his parents.

Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

One thing that does not make sense Jhangir writes that his father and mother had not been little bit pre cautious , his sibling would have survived. Does that mean Akbar and Jodha had children that died in infancy?

How Jehangir really died is even more funny if i can say so- He got heart attack when he saw a faithful servant of his fall over the cliff with his own eyes 😕

Jalal had a form of dyslexia hence was illiterate but could sign

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hello dear,
I did not mean that he directly spoke ill of his father but, if u notice , there's a lot of reference to Akbar's actions in Jehangir-nama which would automatically lead readers to wonder what kind of a addict or Womanizer he was...!!! He reference to his birth parents as "Revered father"or "Revered Mother " etc etc was not becoz of his extreme respect, but was the courtesy of royal writing norms and he was a very polished Emperor surely...However, his way of reference to his mother does show his divine respect for her persona...
U see , there's a lot of ways to implicate discreetly about a person's character or habits in a shady way ...and that's exactly what Jehangir did...as in his position or era, direct accusation about Akbar the Great would not have been taken nicely...😊
He might have been honest but we cannot vouch that his notions or POV were all correct for that matter...He had some prejudices and those were evident from his repentance abt not being Very close with his birth Parents...!!
😊

I read a book on Mughal women where it said wives and cocubbines were not treated differently. Some cocubines were treated just like queens with respect by the emperor and even given own palaces and the future emperors also were expected to treat them like their mothers. It also says that Murad and Daniyal are sons of akbar's cocubbine and not salima begum and anarkali's as told in wikipedia

Originally posted by: doyelpakhi

Thanks for the info! :)

Btw, as per Jahangirnama both Daniyal and Murad were sons of concubine, even though Murad is often said to be the son of Salima.

Jehangir never went to his mother's funeral! 😲

You see, the way Jehangir wrote very formally about Mariam Um Zumani i.e. Hira Kunwari, it seems that she was not his mother. The Mughal records do not show Jehangir's mother's name and it was in 18th or 19th century, the historians said that Hira was Jehangir's mother. Don't know how they concluded it but Jehangir's mother could have been any other Rajput queen. 😕

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Jehangir was an emperor first, before being a lover or a husband! As an Emperor he had to uphold the Law whosoever had the misfortune to be cast under its black shadow.

Even NoorJehan understood that & while her father was imprisoned on corruption charges & left lightly because he was by then, an Empresse's father & FIL to the Emperor of Hindustan, he was still imprisoned for a while after the N & J nikaah.

Jehangir tried not to let his blood or marriage relatives be shown much fair when it came upholding the Law ' Mughal Code.

Yes i have read the people had given him title Adil; Padshah-Just emperor and the ambassdors of Britain and France also have mentioned that he would punish even big and powerful nobels if found wrong