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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi everyone! So I am new to the show and haven't actually watched any of the earlier episodes.from what little I have seen, although I do enjoy the fiction but jodha the character seems to be a strangely self-centric character who is at best foolish and not at all politically aware or intelligent enough to be the princess of amber let alone an empress. today she burnt the shaadi ka joda. for whatever reason she did it, how is this acceptable?!? how is it that the king, her father, is yet to give her a stern straight talk- you quietly marry him or we all die. mughals are a gargantuan power house and there aren't many men out there- rajput or otherwise who can polish off jalal. so you need to stop living in your lala jodha land and accept that or you can straight out leave my family and kingdom. what was all that insipid pish posh about how the father in him would be proud?!? that really doesn't help anyone. only ensures jodha that on some level she is right and thats not the right attitude sir given the pressing situation amer is in. and almost every episode jodha touts on about how she wants jalal's head- can anyone please explain to me exactly why she wants jalal's head?!? I havent seen him behave in an unbecoming fashion towards her, her people or her family to have warranted such anger from her other than he won amer fair and square in battle and bharmal went to him and chug tai khan suggested the marriage. jalal gave them fair space to do as they pleased. then y is she pretending like he is forcing her?!? according to bharmal many rajputs even wanted amer so y the special hate for jalal? did he do something to her or her family? please inform me if you can!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ahhh...we have talked about this at length in this forum.

Personally I have a hard time digesting the way the writers are portraying Jodha's character. She should be this strong, brave fearless princess ... however burning the lengha was just foolish especially as Jalal didn't do anything to instigate it. In fact he has been courteous to the entire family since they have met.

Are we allowed to give her a pass because she had just found out about her marrying her most hated enemy...?????
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Posted: 11 years ago
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However , frankly speaking, I think you're being too harsh with Jodha n not at all being fair to her .
When we look at some one as a character in a drama , we miss out another very vital n very real point of view , that is human point of view.
Jodha is not only a princess , or rather a robot princess , she's a real girl, with real feelings n emotional baggage , n she should have them , it's what makes her all the more likable n interesting. It's really too much to always judge her from royal parameters n forget that she's a human being. The girl had recently gone through too much n still she's trying her best to adjust to the rapidly changing situations. I think she's doing a great job !
When we make a promise , we don't always mention all the terms n conditions applied herewith that promise, simply because we hope, expect n trust the person to whom we're promising , to understand us n therefore effectively understand the terms n conditions that are inherent in that promise . If the person fails to do so, or deliberately chooses not to understand n there by ignore them, well, the fault is entirely their's to take, don't you agree ?
When it comes to Jodha's promise or saying that she'd do any thing for Amer , she definitely didn't think even in her nightmares that her father would ask her to marry a mughal king, did she ? Can't call her a deal breaker there, if there is any fairness in the world. Getting married to a mughal was the worst nightmare for any Rajput woman , it was in their psyche , NOT only of Jodha ( also being grown up in a household where every body always used to regard her future husband as Jallad till about two days ago n voice the same , even his father , who is now so eager to marry her off to the same "jallad " , doesn't help one much in being all readiness to accept this changed circumstances ). The very proposal of a Rajput princess getting married to a mughal king must be sounding an outrageous one for any Rajput. Yes, her reaction was definitely absolutely too much , but I find it very natural, n any thing natural is acceptable for me , because I didn't see her reacting abnormally to a normal situation, for however valid may be the marriage-deal under the circumstances , it is still very much abnormal.
As for Amer royal family, they were wrong from the very beginning.
Shoudn't we cut the poor girl some slack, how'd you have felt if you'd come to know at the day of your marriage that the guy you're going to marry is the one you hate the most ?? N that your whole family was deceiving you ? How'd you have reacted if with in 10 minutes of that realization, you were asked to accept 'gifts' from the person n that too from the hands of a most rude woman , who despite Jalal once reminding her not to cross limit with honewali mallika , dared to do just that because Jalal was not present ??
Blame it on her parents who didn't allow her any time for emotional adjustment, not even bare 5 minutes to be mentally ready , to get over such a huge emotional n mental shock. She had been kept in the dark till the last minute n then suddenly she's being expected to be all sweet n polite ?? Is it even a realistic expectation ?
Her father should be ashamed of himself, NOT because he's selling out Jodha for Amer, that I understand n even agree totally, he really had no other way, but because he should've told Jodha a long time back that her groom is Jalal. I'm sure had given proper time , she'd have behaved properly. Now all of a sudden all her family is chirping lines about Sacrifice n compromise etc etc., then why this fraudulence ? Why not come out clean n tell the girl to do what is needed from the very beginning ?
If you are being hilariously unfair to a person right from the moment you're striking some deal involving her whole life , you HAVE TO cut her some slack.

If any one is the deal breaker, it's her family, who were planning to get her married to a mughal king with out informing her in the least. Had it been today Jodha should've charged her family under Right to Information Act in the very least.
She didn't only remember the plunders of mughals in the temple, but very significantly she ALSO remembered Suryabhan, her just deceased fiance , whom she'd started to grow some feelings for , n her turmoil must've been increased thousand folds that she's getting married to a king, who is at least indirectly the reason of his death ( for it's impossible for any one to believe that Sharifuddin didn't attack Amer with his permission or direct order ) . Isn't this marriage an insult to Suryabhan's sacrifice for Amer , or breach of the promises she gave to him , to his memory ? Not really, but for her, at that moment is must've seemed so. Surya shouldn't matter to her any more simply because he's dead n gone, n thousands of people of Amer are still alive n their lives depend on Jodha's sacrifice. But her parents didn't even have the decency to let alone take permission, but to inform her so that she can have ample time to accept her fate n let go of those memories n withdraw those promises ) I don't think when Suryabhan emphasized to Jodha to keep their subjects above all things in importance, he by any means included the idea of marrying a mughal to save them. The standard Rajput royal's idea would'be to expect their queens to lead the women to jauhar firmly.
It was very natural for a Rajputani to do jauhar ,if need be they'd do it with out a second thought , to protect themselves from being touched by a mughal, but absolutely an absurd n unnatural situation to marry one of the same. I agree that Rajput royal women were taught from very childhood to put her responsibilities above every thing, but the Raputs also would learn to hate mughals from the very childhood. As simple as that.
Such a marriage , as I think we could all agree was a first of it's kind, so Jodha was basically the First ever Rajput royal lady , to be put into such a situation, to be asked to make a such a sacrifice, such a huge compromise with her dignity ,because as I mentioned, during those times, nothing could've been more insulting for a Rajput women to fall in the hands of mughals, nothing would hurt the pride of a rajputani more , whether it is by valid ( ? ) marriage or by being abducted.
Edited by Bamonforever - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

Ahhh...we have talked about this at length in this forum.

Personally I have a hard time digesting the way the writers are portraying Jodha's character. She should be this strong, brave fearless princess ... however burning the lengha was just foolish especially as Jalal didn't do anything to instigate it. In fact he has been courteous to the entire family since they have met.

Are we allowed to give her a pass because she had just found out about her marrying her most hated enemy...?????


see i totally agree with you. i would give her a pass if i understood y she hates jalal so much more than every other enemy of amer- many of whom are rajputs. but i havent watched the series from the beginning so perhaps i dont fully understand her issue. i dont really know why she hates jalal so much.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bamonforever

Cut all the crap, ( yes CRAP with a capital C ) , n cut the poor girl some slack, how'd you have felt if you'd come to know at the day of your marriage that the guy you're going to marry is the one you hate the most ?? N that your whole family was deceiving you ? How'd you have reacted if with in 10 minutes of that realization, you were asked to accept 'gifts' from the person n that too from the hands of a most rude woman , who despite Jalal once reminding her not to cross limit with honewali mallika , did just that because Jalal was not present ??

Blame it on her parents who didn't allow her any time for emotional adjustment, not even bare 5 minutes to be mentally ready , to get over such a huge emotional n mental shock. She had been kept in the dark till the last minute n then suddenly she's being expected to be all sweet n polite ?? Is it even a realistic expectation ?
Her father should be ashamed of himself, NOT because he's selling out Jodha for Amer, that I understand n even agree totally, he really had no other way, but because he should've told Jodha a long time back that her groom is Jalal. I'm sure if given proper time , she'd have behaved properly. Now all of a sudden all her family is chirping lines about Sacrifice n compromise etc etc., then why this fraudulence ? When not come out clean n tell the girl to do what is needed ?
If you are being hilariously unfair to a person right from the moment you're striking some deal involving her whole life , you HAVE TO cut her some slack.

no need to be rude. you have to analyze things in context of the time period. if it was set today then i absolutely agree with you. but back then it was common for enemies to become allies and political associations to be formed and solidified with marriages. she isnt mad at her family. she believes her dad was right- she's only disrespecting jalal. i was fine with her behavior during muh dikhai but burning the joda was disrespectful and childish and completely unwarranted- Maham Anga did not say anything that was over the top rude. she had 24 hours to digest this new information and if she was still struggling, she should have made a bahana not come out and blatantly disrespect them especially given amer's circumstances. i agree with you, i wudve done worse but I'm not a princess responsible for many many people. my duty was to myself above all when i was single, hers is not.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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actually if you watched one of the previous episodes you would understand a little bit what the significance of burning the lengha really means.

There was a previous episode where Jodha and her entourage were shopping and this sales lady gave her an outrageous price for the dupatta...her Dasi said that she was charging too much and as they went past the booth, the sales lady said taht a mughal Begum / Princess / Queen would never hassle about the price adn would just pay it.

So jodha goes back and the lady doubles her price...the sales lady then said " this is fit only for a queen or something like that...and it was paid for...Then jodha proceeded to give the Dupatta to her Dasi, motibai, adn said rather than a Mughal Queen this dupatta looks good on my servant...

OMG..it was an amazing scene...really put the lady inher place and Jodha showed that she treats everyone around as her equal with nor airs or selfishness...

So when MA said that this lengha was only fit for a Mughal Queen and no one else can even wear one without being punished...it was kind of the same scenario...what an expensive lengha. jodha doesn't care about that...shes put off by that comment about others being punished for wearing a garment fo clothing... Very Jodha - like in her behavior.


However, she hates Jalal

1) because he is a Mughal,
2) he is not just a Mughal, but the Shenshah of them...so double the hatred for him specifically...
3) He has allowed his soldiers to raid hindu temples adn steal and loot,
4) he killed about 20 of her soldiers single handedly,
5) he spied on Amer, then broke out the prisoner that they were holding
6) she had him at Shamsher point...(you know gun point, shamsher point 😆) and still he was able to beat them and leave undetected,
7) apparently he's ruthless and a formidable opponent, who has only leaves destruction and "barbadi" in his path...
8) she knows it was Jalal who she saw in the water in one of the previous episodes adn hes been haunting her dreams ever since
9) His army kiled Suryabhan,
10) He's the Mughal SHENSHAH...so smug, so arrogant, so egocentric, ...


Those are just SOME of the reasons why she hates him, although the last one was my own made up...


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham

no need to be rude. you have to analyze things in context of the time period. if it was set today then i absolutely agree with you. but back then it was common for enemies to become allies and political associations to be formed and solidified with marriages. she isnt mad at her family. she believes her dad was right- she's only disrespecting jalal. i was fine with her behavior during muh dikhai but burning the joda was disrespectful and childish and completely unwarranted- Maham Anga did not say anything that was over the top rude. she had 24 hours to digest this new information and if she was still struggling, she should have made a bahana not come out and blatantly disrespect them especially given amer's circumstances. i agree with you, i wudve done worse but I'm not a princess responsible for many many people. my duty was to myself above all when i was single, hers is not.

I rewrote my post above . I believe it's more in the line of " things in context of the time period " as you said than yours. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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There is only one word for Jodha's behaviour -Disgraceful."...So ,many lives are at stake and she is worried that what will happen to her...Disgusting...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Tejaswini,

How delighted I am to see you here! Welcome, sweetheart!

I have been here for 5 weeks now, having totally abandoned our old forum, and am having a lot of fun. This show is so good at times that I cannot believe it is an Ekta production. Plus the forum has been very kind and welcoming to me - their tolerance for my long posts is amazing- and is vastly more appealing than the former one.

As for your post, do see mine on yesterday's episode, Jodha Akbar 36: Shahi Shaadi- Imperial flush, at
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/89503290
You will like it, as also the previous one, Jodha Akbar 35: Shahi Shaadi- Opening Gambits. at
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3691766/jodha-akbar-35-shahi-shaadi-opening-gambits
There are a dozen more, but you will never be able to wade thru them!

I hope you are fine and that the baby is thriving.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham

Hi everyone! So I am new to the show and haven't actually watched any of the earlier episodes.from what little I have seen, although I do enjoy the fiction but jodha the character seems to be a strangely self-centric character who is at best foolish and not at all politically aware or intelligent enough to be the princess of amber let alone an empress. today she burnt the shaadi ka joda. for whatever reason she did it, how is this acceptable?!? how is it that the king, her father, is yet to give her a stern straight talk- you quietly marry him or we all die. mughals are a gargantuan power house and there aren't many men out there- rajput or otherwise who can polish off jalal. so you need to stop living in your lala jodha land and accept that or you can straight out leave my family and kingdom. what was all that insipid pish posh about how the father in him would be proud?!? that really doesn't help anyone. only ensures jodha that on some level she is right and thats not the right attitude sir given the pressing situation amer is in. and almost every episode jodha touts on about how she wants jalal's head- can anyone please explain to me exactly why she wants jalal's head?!? I havent seen him behave in an unbecoming fashion towards her, her people or her family to have warranted such anger from her other than he won amer fair and square in battle and bharmal went to him and chug tai khan suggested the marriage. jalal gave them fair space to do as they pleased. then y is she pretending like he is forcing her?!? according to bharmal many rajputs even wanted amer so y the special hate for jalal? did he do something to her or her family? please inform me if you can!

thank you
tejaswini

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hmmm there have been some behaviors I don't agree with too dear. Feel like they don't show a dignified royal.
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