Originally posted by: Loving2Missing2
Love inspires music, maine thode gaane use kar liye , bas thoda majaa laane ke liye
And khelani hai Antakshari toh aa jao maidaan mein, tumhara swagat hai. Don't wanna promote any other thread or forum game here, so I'll PM you separately
Yes yes kyo nahin i m all for fun
And fun is eternal love for me 💃💃😘😘
Originally posted by: Loving2Missing2
LOVE IS ETERNAL!
Marriage is a very small almost inconsequential part of life! A part of the social construct wherein monetary benefits are seen from both sides. And with social degradation, the concept of marriage is degraded.
Speaking of Universe creation, It was love emerging in the heart of Adishakti, the first black night, RatriDevi.........The burgeoning of love manifested as the emergence of light and then Bramhaji became accountable for the creation of the Universe!
And that's why love is eternal even without marriage for each and every being! Love is the surreal emotion distributed by the cosmos to everybody equally! Just because humans propagated into societies, doesn't mean they got equivocal right to Love!
When the BirdMan builds a nest and the BirdLady shows her Oomph making him build another, that's Love! When the peacock spreads his feathers and dances, it's his expression of the same love emergence in his heart to which the peahen naturally gets attracted.
As stated in Sima's initiating post, Radha Krishna were that Love. Their Raas was the Dance of Life! Complete carefree happiness sprouting from unconditional love. Radha Krishna came just to tell humans you are capable of that ethereal happiness!
And then Krishna married, and spent his time solving the ego issues between his wives..... sometimes with Paraijataka tree, sometimes with sugar-salt comparison!..... Again showing humanity the reality of marriage!
Unfortunately, the social constructs have dominated so very much that there are not many examples following Radha Krishna pattern! Thank God, Laila Majnu or Her Ranjha were not married, otherwise love and self-sacrificial emotions would have completely evaporated........ life would boil down to tune aaj khana kaisa banaaya?
and tum kamaake kya laate ho jo main achcha kuchh banaau?
Stability in marriage is that illusionary self-gratification of social systems! Stability exists but maturity vanishes and clarity disappears! Hadn't it been so, the business of marriage counselling wouldn't have prospered so much
. Stability exists, but it's only of daily demands and their expected fulfillment...... That's what marriage translates into!
It's not Love when it increases or decreases with so-called "factors". Rather the promise of commitment sets in that particular expectation........ the vile which completely opposes Krishna Philososphy, Karmanye Vadhikaaraste!
The per se advanced civilisation is only a complex web of legal rights promoting self-protection. The social norms and legalities are so very confusing
, polygamy was perfectly accepted in marriages when monarchy prevailed...... Suddenly, it's all about property ownership that Hindu Marriage Act now mandates monogamy. The universe ceases to be a miracle anymore!
That's the TRUTH! I always wondered why creator allowed this? But then the answer comes to my subconscious....... Degradation is built into the cosmos, And that's why Shiv-ji is the Mahakaal!...... An inescapable phenomenon to each and every part of the Universe!
Countering the two points, Vansh aage badhana hai....... So what taught the world that only the male child keeps the vansh growing and female fetuses get aborted inhumanly?...... The concept of Vansh is deteriorated in humans because of the vicious halo around corrupt marriage systems!
Speaking of Loneliness! Always remember, you come alone in this world and you leave alone from the world....... So what makes humans lonely? and why look down upon loneliness??......... Isn't solace the most beautiful gift of the universe........gifted to us in our deep sleep every night!
And does life really get easier with marriage?
When one demands validation, the emotion stops being love! It's only selfish ego gratification!! Pyaar jaroor karo, par kissi shart pe nahi!
Selfless love prevalent all around you, WITHIN you, doesn't feel true to you?? What spectacles does one wear that one can't see love showered by universe on you all the time?
And what is materialistic loneliness? Where does materialism come into Love, the most supreme emotion!
When expectations are set in your love for people around you, your love for god then you are asking for tears and disappointment at some time or other. God has loved you selflessly, that's why you are still alive and blooming! Think about every life that didn't get the same chance.
So In conclusion, the chaos of universe will prevail back!...... Marriages are already dissipating..... Polygamy is prevalent ( though behind closed doors!)....... The marriage system will collapse in some way so as to complete the cyclic process of Universe..... But Love! Love will stay while Universes come and go!
P.S.:- I'm following the debate concept without any personal attack on anyone! My post is completely impersonal, so please don't take it otherwise!
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Come, join the debate! Aa jao Maidaan mein, majaa ayega!
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Hey Neha 
, awesome post
My view:
First of all as my topic is Life is test ultimately counter arguing love with marriage, I can talk about the Life which human animal insects are living, and the institution of marriage between them.
The whole universe according to our puranas are based on the two entity Prakriti and Purush.
Shiv MARRIED Shakti, Vishnu MARRIED Lakshmi. Ram MARRIED Sita. Did they faced problems in Marriage, YES. Did they overcame it, YES.
Krishna married his wives and loved them all, loved Radha as well. Didn't Radha was also a little egoistic, didn't she also had the envious nature of human. Didn't Krishna taught her also the lesson of selfless love that you mentioned.
When Krishna was in vrindavan his and Radha's relationship was not bed of roses just because they were in love, yes their lover became eternal as they loved each other throughout their lives, but Krishna till the date he lived on earth was a true husband to all his wives despite their different nature and that justice could be provided from a binding commitment. In some part of India people pray to Vitthal Rukmini as welk for their happy married life.
I think if Laila Majnu, heer ranjha had gotten married they would've loved it as they would've gotten the chance to be there for each other forever, isn't this the reason they fought for. Why didn't they kept loving each other without trying to get together like Radha Krishna 🤷.Romeo Juliet killed themselves as they couldn't be together, does love not comes with expectations 🤷
And the Nature you described for marriage is a little bit partial to the human nature. If marriage is getting defined by nature of human then why love can't be defined from the perspective of human. And if love is defined as the factor which created universe then isn't the entity that bound the universe is marriage. The planet to the sun, the moon to the planet. The planet to each other. The solar system to each other. Isn't sun though providing life on earth is also producing UV rays, isn't gravity which is responsible for life on earth can also be responsible for destruction of earth like it happened with dinosaurs.
Also doesn't marriage perfectly eases the karmanye vadhikarasthe philosophy as it already had laid out the roles for both husband and wife in marriage so their life can be well balanced, now who follows it more who less that's the question, so how could marriage as an institution be wrong in this.
Humans have came lonely and will go lonely that's why even I didn't got into that factor much but if that solace is so beautiful why even look for Love 🤷
Life never gets easier, its always a test, that's the point. The carefree young people cherish the memory of childhood, the people in their 30-40 cherish the memory of being young, 50+ people cherish the memory of their whole life and how everything happened to them. The children in their age wish to be "carefree" adults, the carefree adults wish to start family of their own, and old people wish to live thier childhood once more. I don't think any of this is related to marriage, its just life happens 🤷
Selfless love....will God love me when I commit a mistake, YES, will I love God if something tragic happens in my life, YES, its already happened I still love them. Will I EXPECT God to be there for me always, YES, will God EXPECT from me to always be on the right path, YES.
God himself came on earth as Ram Krishna to kill the HUMAN who went on wrong path, keeping technicalities of their birth story aside, did he came out of love for them or did he came out of love for the people who followed the path of dharma. Didn't God expects us to follow the parth of Dharma, doesn't he punishes us for bad karma, doesn't he reward us for good karma, don't we work on our true self to get worthy of the love of our Param Bramha.
I won't say God wouldn't love us if we performed adharma but won't that love will get diminished in front of the thousands of people who did performed their duty to coexist in the society.
Didn't Shiv ji punished his own son for being so egoistic and disrespectful by trishul, didn't he replaced the mal buddhi head of Ganesh ji with humbled animal Elephant's.
How's expectation is not a factor in love when we can see it in the stories of our deities as well. Shiv ji didn't stopped loving Ganesha when he punished him, Ganesh ji got humbled but if he had not who's to say Shiv ji would have loved him like that only.
Wouldn't this factor in increasing and decreasing of love 🤷
Originally posted by: Loving2Missing2
Shruti,
. Your post was very nicely scripted! Maine Counter argument jaroor daala hai, par tujhse koi bair nahi, my friend. Agar bura lagaa toh mere DP ko do Kaan pakade hue imagine karna, voh main hoon with you
Iss Khel Mein majaa hai kyonki opponent bhi equally capable hai and opposing point is also very right
Let's enjoy together!
Arey kuch bhi
Debate is amazing source to gain different perspective on topics
And I loved your post no worries
Originally posted by: chatterbox
Hmm ok chalo my views as neutral person. Not in favor nor against also
Love a beautiful feeling but how do u define love.
Eternal love I feel is very rarely in us earthlings. Only in devi devta seen eternal love. Ram Sita are one example of couple
Rest love can be for parents children friends etc
But for couple. The concept of love has changed over the years
During my time we were married off to the person not knowing anything about the spouse. So where does eternal love come here
I think post marriage it's love as in adjusting and adapting to new situations
Saat janmon Wale love don't exist.
It's caring and sharing wala love.
Love is a test comes here as how much a person wants to accept.
Maybe it's materialistic love. Provider ka love caring wala love.
Even so called love marriage are also materialistic
When a couple are together for long time with all ups and downs in life the respect wala love forms. Eternal I don't think so.
In modern times love at first sight does it happen. I guess it's just attraction and infatuation.
Ok I m just writing what I feel here. I m married for long time and recently celebrated our anniversary.
So the love for each other post marriage is of caring and companionship
Eternal love only as I said is seen in devi devtas.
Ok just my views. And personal experience
Have had my share of crushes too but nowhere is eternal love
That's all folks !!!!
Loved this
There should be third team with you as member
Love eternal and life test kuch nahi, khao pio aish karo 
Originally posted by: RamAayeHain
Loved this
There should be third team with you as member
Love eternal and life test kuch nahi, khao pio aish karo
Khao pio aish karo.
Sahi hai
Yeh zindagi hai yehi eternal love hai
Exactly
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Thanks Shruti, Neha & chatterbox (what's your sweet name btw?) for making this debate thread active and enriching this thread with your different perspectives regarding this topic. Honestly speaking, three of you have covered the various aspects behind eternal love without marriage versus the importance of marriage through your well-crafted arguments. Inviting others too, to participate in this debate, who might be interested. Read Pg 1 for the details.
Originally posted by: Quantum-Dot
Thanks Shruti, Neha & chatterbox (what's your sweet name btw?) for making this debate thread active and enriching this thread with your different perspectives regarding this topic. Honestly speaking, three of you have covered the various aspects behind eternal love without marriage versus the importance of marriage through your well-crafted arguments. Inviting others too, to participate in this debate, who might be interested. Read Pg 1 for the details.
Our pleasure, Sima!
You're very right in your invitations. This is a debate between teams, not that myself and Shruti talwaar leke khade ho gaye, you put a post, take my reply counter post! We need more participation, fresh arguments, human perspectives...... Otherwise, jo Ishque wala Love hai, as chatterbox mentioned, mythological devi-devataon wala love banake reh jaayega!
I participated because I genuinely liked the idea. After the Ramayan contest, mythological masti, this was a beautiful next progression, next step ........ to join hands as a team and have a healthy debate. But surprisingly, the idea is not easily picked like how other ideas were actively accepted......
I am toh pakka romantic at heart! My username has "Loving" in it, so you can easily imagine my nature. I can continue to argue about Love in its most unconditional beautiful form vs socially mandated marriage systems till this thread reaches 150 pages..... My belief, my faith is so strong nothing can shatter it! It's love that puts smile in my heart........happiness in my life...... my timeless love
But that's my personal perspective, this is a team debate! Check how you can get better participation, if needed, I shall support you fully.............I hope Shruti and chatterbox will support, too!
For the time being, I'm starved for time; so need to take a break from IF. Very tedious and urgent deliverable to turn around by 25th...... Dimaag ka poora dahi ho raha hai....... But, I'll be back after 25th and with a full bang, keep watching!
Kya baat hai Neha. Ok quantum Is sima. Mujhe nahi pata tha.
Debates mein I m really lousy. School days ka debate tha and when my turn came i turned statue. Couldn't say anything at all 😂😂
Arre even I'm romantic at heart
Dil toh bacha hai ji.
Yaar my perspective is my own personal experiences.
Eternal love kahin bhi nahi hota.
Pyaar aise nahi hota
Zindagi ki sachchai saamne aate hi pyaar phoossh ho jaata hai
I also want to hear more
I can't tag anyone as i myself returned to forum after 3 years and so many changes.
Originally posted by: chatterbox
Kya baat hai Neha. Ok quantum Is sima. Mujhe nahi pata tha.
Yes, if I'm not mistaken, Quantum is Simantini (An absolutely beautiful name). Correct me, Sima, If some error in my understanding. And we have been waiting to know your good name, too
Debates mein I m really lousy. School days ka debate tha and when my turn came i turned statue. Couldn't say anything at all 😂😂
It's absolutely ok! Even I had frozen out in my first stage performance in 2nd or 3rd standard..... Sabka ek hi haal hota hai..... Dheere dheere seekhate hain...... In 9th Standard the time came, when Chitralekha Natak Company wanted me to join their Children's play; but my teachers prohibited me as they understood my penchant for science.
Arre even I'm romantic at heart......
Dil toh bacha hai ji.
Same pinch! Issi baat pe gale lag jaaye, virtual faceless hug....
Yaar my perspective is my own personal experiences.
Yes! And I liked it, I laughed at myself when I agreed completely that marriage is care, compassion and companionship. Issiliye I had put the smiley reaction.
Eternal love kahin bhi nahi hota.
Hota hai, re! Hum dekh nahi paate, ya dekhakar undekha karate hain; because it doesn't fit in social norms. We live with masks in society. Saari Maya hai!
As you yourself mentioned, Yeh zindagi hai yehi eternal love hai; Sou taka sach baat hai!
Pyaar aise nahi hota
True! Pehale Maa Baap ki expectations complete kee, Unke chosen ladake se shaadi kee, fir husband ki expectations fullfill karate rahe...... Marriage ne society mein acceptance and convenience laa diya..... True in my heart, my married relation and marriage bhi successful hai...... Do bachche hai..... Apne innocence se toothless smile mein pehale din se they have won over my heart..... so ab unki expectations poori karati hoon......
Par yeh saare roles nibhaate hue, there's just me for myself...... and where's the happiness of a true heart? Sat-Chit-Anand..... Sacchidanand? It's in that love ..... love that exists in the core of my heart!
And this love has been there since god knows when...... As a child, I lived next to Worli Seaface in Mumbai. I wanted to marry the sea, been always fascinated by it.........While returning from school, I would close the umbrella after reaching my colony and take the drizzle on my face..... I found my love in that happy feeling..... Till date, I enjoy drizzle on my face. It's the happy embrace of my love....... my kids tease me, tera baarish ke saath affair hai maa
Pyaar aise hi hota hai!
Zindagi ki sachchai saamne aate hi pyaar phoossh ho jaata hai
Zindagi ki sacchai yehi hai ki even in my most saddest moments, in my happiest celebrations, mera pyaar humesha mere saath hai.... It's love that keeps me alive.
I also want to hear more
I can't tag anyone as i myself returned to forum after 3 years and so many changes.
Welcome back! Aapka swagat hai!...... I and many of us are the same, forum pe aate jaate rehate hain.... jo constant rehate hain; voh Sima jaise Viewbie ban jaate hain
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