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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Eggon_Snow


You can start by not accepting the status quo and stop supporting lawmakers when they want women to cower down and live in fear, and especially when they make such regressive statements. Not everyone has the same luxuries to refuse to enter a public transport cause men are in it. You say we should adapt and adjust till the system changes and there is greater security in place. But why will the govt make these changes if women accept their lot like abla naaris and wait for change to come to them. If you live in constant fear no one will hear your voice, you need to scream and shout and protest and outrage even if it is against something as measly as this statement by Kirron.

Yes and I stick to it.. We should take precautions till the time comes when the women do not have to live in the fear of rape.. No.. be the change if you can.. Protest, demand for better laws, for strict actions, for better security which is your right but till the time that your protest bears fruit, try to be as careful as possible.. Precautions would not guarantee you hundred percent safety but at least might protect you to a certain extent.. I am all for voicing out your opinions, screaming, and outraging BUT till the time that something actually changes, I am also all for taking some simple measures which might provide me some level of safety, even if there is a 1% chance of preventing that situation, I will grab it with both hands..
I have seen rape victims. I have seen little girls who have been abused and I know how rape destroys the very soul of women.. Till the time that things don't change, I will advice everyone to be VERY VERY careful because that is something I would not want to happen even to the worst of my enemies
So ya.. I will still say, AVOID the situations as much as you can.. Take every safety measure possible and at the same time, demand for your rights of security..The two things are not mutually exclusive for me
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pemberleydreams

Pehle to law will have to be harsh if rapists get hanged in every case the fear will decrease rape incidents I think, also strict CCTV footage checking for every road . But these are long time processes but we're not even starting.

Kya bolu main yamyam it's just upsetting everyday when I go out have a paper spray in bag in bus have to guard my backside with college bag, in autos have to be sure the three or four men sitting don't know each other, that I won't be the last one left in the auto.Boarding a taxi when alone to vul hi jao. Aur I don't see it even changing a bit in near future aisehi chalega and we just get used to living in so much fear

As I have already said, sharing auto/Taxi is something I heard for the first time today and it does sound damn damn scary to me.. I cannot even board a taxi alone.. Riksha is the only thing I use
@Bold: Neither do I.. I mean, a 6 month baby was raped.. A 6 month baby.. I mean, can you even think what sort of demented animal would even think about such things..
I don't meant to imply that we should just sit and do nothing.. No.. we should definitely demand for better times but at the same time should also do whatever little we can to protect ourself..
Should Kiron have said this at this moment? Perhaps no.. But I still think its unsafe to get into a taxi with three unknown men, but of course since this sharing thing is not something I have heard before, my thoughts are biased

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: theeki.mithai

Yes and I stick to it.. We should take precautions till the time comes when the women do not have to live in the fear of rape.. No.. be the change if you can.. Protest, demand for better laws, for strict actions, for better security which is your right but till the time that your protest bears fruit, try to be as careful as possible.. Precautions would not guarantee you hundred percent safety but at least might protect you to a certain extent.. I am all for voicing out your opinions, screaming, and outraging BUT till the time that something actually changes, I am also all for taking some simple measures which might provide me some level of safety, even if there is a 1% chance of preventing that situation, I will grab it with both hands..
I have seen rape victims. I have seen little girls who have been abused and I know how rape destroys the very soul of women.. Till the time that things don't change, I will advice everyone to be VERY VERY careful because that is something I would not want to happen even to the worst of my enemies
So ya.. I will still say, AVOID the situations as much as you can.. Take every safety measure possible and at the same time, demand for your rights of security..The two things are not mutually exclusive for me


Maybe you can lead such a paranoid life but like I said most women in major Indian cities either do not possess such luxury or do not believe in leading such a stifled life. For people to then blame us for falling prey to rapists just cause we were exercising our basic right of free movement is pretty damn reprehensible. Judge us only if you have walked in our shoes and have led our lives. Neither you nor Kirron have done the same so forgive me if I am dismissive of both your opinions and even angered by it.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: theeki.mithai

As I have already said, sharing auto/Taxi is something I heard for the first time today and it does sound damn damn scary to me.. I cannot even board a taxi alone.. Riksha is the only thing I use
@Bold: Neither do I.. I mean, a 6 month baby was raped.. A 6 month baby.. I mean, can you even think what sort of demented animal would even think about such things..
I don't meant to imply that we should just sit and do nothing.. No.. we should definitely demand for better times but at the same time should also do whatever little we can to protect ourself..
Should Kiron have said this at this moment? Perhaps no.. But I still think its unsafe to get into a taxi with three unknown men, but of course since this sharing thing is not something I have heard before, my thoughts are biased

In Kolkata people stand in line for auto, but that's only for the first n last stoppage. When you're boarding one in a stoppage Midway, It's gonna be almost filled up. And you can't really niptick cause it's tough to get autos with seats available or autos that'll stop or go till where you want to go. Letting an auto go means khari raho for another good 15 min. In here the public bus is thousands and they're the jaan of transport system, so we don't depend much on autos but in Delhi Mumbai etc autos are often the sole way to get somewhere causes the no of bus is very few and most have private car or Scooty. Letting an auto go Matlab you're gonna get damn late.
You can't live your life if you have to niptick and calcute so much, today someone thinks auto nahi Lena chahiye Tha, tomorrow ye hoga ki Ghar se hi nikalna risky ho Jaye. Why should we adjust n till when?

Yes I don't understand how low how dead inside one has to be to do such heinous deeds, I don't know what to feel or react now everyday we hear such cases they just become a heading in newspaper and it goes on like that again, nothing changes. Bas social media me kuch ladke bahut chillate h that our women are safe, they know it better than women na ki they're safe or not
Edited by Pemberleydreams - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#65
The responsibility is always on the woman. Don't wear specific types of clothing as it may entice potential rapists, don't leave the house beyond a certain time, don't get into autos with other passengers. It's almost like we've have accepted defeat that the system won't ever change.
As a politician and a person with power to make a difference, her focus should be on condemning the rapists and ensuring swift action is taken against them. Work on creating a safer environment for women across the country rather than reiterating advice that most women know already. This advice deviates from the actual problem at hand and contributes to the victim-blaming culture. It's even more sad to see this BS being spewed by a woman and a mother.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Yes many women cannot afford choosing seperate conveyance for themselves so they have to go for the shared ones, i can afford that but not everyone can. And even though you can afford it there will be times when u cannot find any other option than by travelling through public conveyance.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pemberleydreams

In Kolkata people stand in line for auto, but that's only for the first n last stoppage. When you're boarding one in a stoppage Midway, It's gonna be almost filled up. And you can't really niptick cause it's tough to get autos with seats available or autos that'll stop or go till where you want to go. Letting an auto go means khari raho for another good 15 min. In here the public bus is thousands and they're the jaan of transport system, so we don't depend much on autos but in Delhi Mumbai etc autos are often the sole way to get somewhere causes the no of bus is very few and most have private car or Scooty. Letting an auto go Matlab you're gonna get damn late


Exactly, when you spend an hour waiting for an auto then thoughts of being raped are farthest from your mind. Relief is what you feel when you get that auto. It is only later that your other instincts may kick in.

In the case of the girl who got raped, heck it could happen to anyone of us even in broad daylight if it is well planned. You get into a shared cab in a crowded area, but what if they drug you and kidnap you. How will you prevent it from happening? FFS you can be raped anywhere and by anyone even in the security of your home. Does that mean we should cease to exist? Such cowardly mindset is the reason women are suppressed and will continue to be the weaker gender. Living in constant fear themselves and then pointing fingers at the ones who refuse to lead such cowardly lives.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Always easy to advise esp. when being a celebrity you get to travel in A.C. windows car+ with security entourage(body guards protecting u), but harder for women who have to use public transportation for everyday purpose. No matter how much safety measures you take, it won't avoid predators.Predators will be everywhere, unfortunately, that's the reality.this is insensitive of hers or anyone when they are like victim should have done that or this etc. W*F? Who says shit like that?that find insensitive and ignorant.

Please do not crucify me for saying this but in our desi society the men esp. i feel are sexually frustrated and just do not the word consent .esp. in SE countries. LEaches are in the west too, but sex discussion is a taboo. it's like Desi men are brought taught not knowing the word "consent".Topics like these are swept under the rug.

Just feel a lot of desi men are raised thinking a woman has no right to her body concept and the concept of woman does not matter.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Imagine a hit and run case in place of this and then imagine an MP as a concerned parent stating that the pedestrian should have been more careful while crossing the road knowing fully well the driver was drunk or violated the traffic rules. I know any concerned parent while watching such news would advice their children to be extra careful while on the road. But should an MP now state u should not be on the road because there are irresponsible drivers all around. No need of any kind of laws then, regulate the society on precautionary advices and while u r at it maybe take care of all our financial needs to so that we can sleep at home.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Eggon_Snow


Maybe you can lead such a paranoid life but like I said most women in major Indian cities either do not possess such luxury or do not believe in leading such a stifled life. For people to then blame us for falling prey to rapists just cause we were exercising our basic right of free movement is pretty damn reprehensible. Judge us only if you have walked in our shoes and have led our lives. Neither you nor Kirron have done the same so forgive me if I am dismissive of both your opinions and even angered by it.

Bold: Good for you.. I never blamed you guys.. I said its good to be careful to the extent that you can.. I have said time and again, no woman is to be blamed for the henious actions that the animals do.. They are deplorable and the sole culprits..
But if I say I am all for taking some precautions, I don't mean that if you don't take them, you are inviting rape or anything of the sort
For instance, we take precautions to protect our houses from fire.. But sometimes, the fire breaks out owing to whatever reason which is not in our hands.. Are we to be blamed for it? No.. Are we right to take precautions? Yes
Also about beinhg raped in house, the very same I have been saying time and again.. You cannot guarantee safety by some measures lekin if something provides you with even 1% security, I am all for trying it.. Like we do try to make sure the hired help in houses is vouched our for.. Thats our safety measure
In the perfect world, women would be free to do as they please.. But this is not the perfect world and till we are able to make this world perfect, there are some things that perhaps might make things a tad bit easier for us
I never judged.. Main ne kab judge kia? Did I say you guys shouldn't do what you do? I said I agree that precautions should be taken.. Thats it
Technically you are the one doing all the judging with the cowardly mindset and the reprehensible mindset things.. You have a way to look at things and so do I.. I don't think your judgement is wrong but at the same time, I am most definitely entitled to mine
As for being dismissive of my opinion, feel free.. Its not like that would harm me in any which way.. Same goes for your anger.. Doesn't reach me all the way here you see
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