Why Krishna sided with Arjun?? - Page 3

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

that is not good way to deal , we can ask question we can read things n dharma Arjun followed definitely but we have to understand the situation was different from here n then time

but none can right by saying dharma padho...its not good or right tbh

u know tv channels n their fiction for TRP make manything distorted so ppl confuse with this all

sec if also Arjun know staking brothers indrapastha n Draupadi wrong, he can't go against his elder brother (openly it will give Wrong signal, politics that not meaning he didn't do wrong or he didn't repent over that hell dice game or Draupadi's insult ) neither his Samrat then he was slave though he knows its wrong but five brothers with the conflict of situation trapped by Sakuni's cunning mind n shrewdness...

yes he did wrong (Arjun ) but he try to rectify it infact many folklore or others' puran versions gave many stories of how Sri Krishna used to break Arjun's pride to make him right....

this is for certain reason..

Arjun is like Nar who has flaws yet who can rectify it n for Dharma who can fight against Adharmi n closed one....Arjun has purpose ,n More Arjun is devoted to Krishna fully ....

he falters but the lord guides him path where other choose wrong...

its about our choice karma

God give everyone equal choices time but human don't see it

Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 18, Verse 78

yatra yogeśhvaraḥ kṛiṣhṇo yatra pārtho dhanur-dharaḥ

tatra śhrīr vijayo bhūtir dhruvā nītir matir mama

BG 18.78: Wherever there is Shree Krishna, the Lord of all Yog, and wherever there is Arjun, the supreme archer, there will also certainly be unending opulence, victory, prosperity, and righteousness. Of this, I am certain.

@bold true💖

@red this is the point on which I can agree that if we see the whole ordeal through this angle then We can understand what is Dharma.

@green so I was right about the whole story being more of a political game than the lessons on Dharma. It is like every other where we learn something and TV shows Or today’s scholar are over exaggerating about the righteous of Pandavas.

Thank you for your views💞

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

replied in green

Thanks for the reply, it was very insightful.

You are right both were and those committed more crimes were held more responsible.

Originally posted by: metacrisis

Thank you! ❤️

I've always felt Yudi thought himself to be somewhat inferior, especially when faced with his rather daunting destiny. I think in the dice game he truly underestimated exactly how much damage he could do as a Gambling-Samrat. The second time was probably a gamblers' delusion ka case.

However, I had read one post on IF only I think (can't remember by who exactly), where the OP proposed that Yudhishthir was being forced by Dhritarashtra to keep playing. Dhritu was the presiding chair, and the monarch of the nation, and as his guest/hostage, Yudi pretty much had to do whatever he was ordered to. Personally, I find this possibility very interesting, because really, as a King, even Dhritu's polite requests and jovial invitations would bear a much more sinister undercurrent.

Maybe, that's why nobody reacted? Were they afraid of a coup, and stepped up only when they knew the situation was too far gone on the morality front to be resolved by an internal upheaval?

I'm probably stretching the line right now, but it's a nifty line of thought, right?

@bold right. I think we should start seeing Mahabharata in a political way which makes more sense instead of seeing it as a yardsticks of morality.

This political point of view is making more sense in understanding their decision. It’s like all the characters there were playing a political role and power play and we took it in a more different way which is why people like me are getting more confused and ultimately playing Arjun vs Karna/ Yudhisthira vs Duryodhan/ Bheeshma vs Shakuni. They all wanted political stability and legitimacy and this play clearly shows the destruction when power is given more importance and when it is centralised.

Originally posted by: Rani_Sahiba

Bro help me about this too?

The simplest answer to this would be that they were family.

After Kamsa-vadh, Vasudev felt very guilty about not being able to help Kunti after Pandu died (I mean, he was imprisoned at the time, getting his own kids murdered on a yearly basis, but the human mind does work in strange ways). He asked Krishna to see if he could help Kunti in any way possible, and make her life a little easier. So, Krishna obliged.

But, when Krishna made contact, that was right before the Varnavart incident, so he let that go for the instance (probably stayed in touch with Vidura...that's why he could track them to Panchala?), and met up with them after the swayamvara.

Then, I guess Krishna and Arjun bonded over age, archery, and loneliness, and soon they became inseparable. Somewhere around Kurukshetra times, Krishna said that he would do anything to keep Arjuna safe (and we see him break his vow to stay unarmed multiple times due to this). Krishna went as far as to say that if he had to choose between Draupadi and Arjuna, he would choose Arjuna every time, without a second thought (and he says this to Draupadi herself if I'm not wrong). He was even prepared to strike a deal with Karna involving Drau, if it meant Karna would spare Arjuna's life and come over to their side.

I mean, this goes way beyond dharma. 😳

^That's probably the majority of why Krishna sided with the Ps...mostly because Arjuna is a package deal with them.

From a strictly Dharmic perspective, according to the list I gave you in the last post, if we went over the epic very lightly, we could even say Duryodhana was a dharmic. All of these characters did follow the very basic moral codes. The difference was that the Ks were stuck in their ways (let's not forget that till the last moment, Duryodhan was adamant that he was the dharma, and the Ps were adharma) and the Ps actively tried to be better, and do better.

Also, MB is really not as religious as we make it to be. It's just a bunch of people, bumbling through life, trying to do the right thing. What we get is an action->consequence table of sorts...it's take it or leave it.

Originally posted by: Rani_Sahiba

@bold true💖

@red this is the point on which I can agree that if we see the whole ordeal through this angle then We can understand what is Dharma.

@green so I was right about the whole story being more of a political game than the lessons on Dharma. It is like every other where we learn something and TV shows Or today’s scholar are over exaggerating about the righteous of Pandavas.

Thank you for your views💞

thanks n I am really glad to help her ,put something imp...

about that yes but along with u can check Swastik n some other where they slowly put pseudo way kaurva is grt or HOw grt karna is n butcher Pandava n give those deeds to them which is not done by them...

anyone should real MB with open mind no glorification of any side neither any downgraded

MB is part of this Bharata like our story , its lesson for us to learn dharma politics but unfortunately we choose side n do that blunder

Originally posted by: Rani_Sahiba

Thanks for the reply, it was very insightful.

You are right both were and those committed more crimes were held more responsible.

exactly both were done good n bad (more or Less )but who try to rectify it who try to do more good...

there r certain limit which Kaurava crossed

see

six vices kama (desire), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), Mada (arrogance), moha (delusion), and matsarya (jealousy); r reason for anyone's downfall

who can control this or over come this , will win ....

politics with its own greed mixture of Kurkshtra

its culminated through dice game

interesting topic....

learned lot of things......

im shocked on the deal talk f Krishna with Karna using Drau :(

^Krishna loved Drau like a sister, but only not as much as he loved Arjun.

Originally posted by: Nichuss

interesting topic....

learned lot of things......

im shocked on the deal talk f Krishna with Karna using Drau :(

bold this is misconception about Krishna came with folklore or some misinterpretation

Lord will not do this...Krishna can give offer karna to came n side with pandavas but never the rest

Originally posted by: KrishnaSourav

bold this is misconception about Krishna came with folklore or some misinterpretation

Lord will not do this...Krishna can give offer karna to came n side with pandavas but never the rest

I'd be thrilled if this were folklore, but unfortunately, this part is actually in the epic. You know one of those times you just cannot fathom what the guy was thinking...desperate times, desperate measures, I guess? 😭