Originally posted by: Pirated_Fun
Cis Woman will decide How much Woman a Trans Woman is.
Minister will decide Whom women will get married to Hindu or Muslim..
What else?
Cis women don't need to decide anything, medical science already has.
Originally posted by: Sharpener
If a male feels like a woman and gets a sex change, all the power to them. But they are still not a woman (as per facts and science). They are & always be in the trans category.
Please tell us how even after doing sex change a man can't become a woman?
What does it take to be called a woman according to medical science?
I think people on this thread are going on a different tangent..........
Regarding, Transman or Transwoman are not 'real' man/woman?
Answer? YES and NO!!!!
First of all, using the word 'real' is insensitive & downright rude here. When we look at Transsexuality as, "a man becomes a woman" or "a woman becomes a man" it become problematic.
Obviously, there's one fact that can never be changed is that at chromosome-level, a person born either male (XY) or female (XX) can NOT change themselves s to another sex, even if they go through reassignment surgery. Unfortunately, that's the bitter truth that transsexuals have to live with.
BUT as human beings, we have no control over our birth. We all start as fetuses & embroyes, and 'biological sex' comes into picture at a later stage. In most cases, the brain develops and resonates with the biological sex one is assigned at birth. We have 23 pair of chromosomes, out of them ONLY ONE pair is the sex chromosome. There are several people in the world who have their 23rd chromosome mixed up as XXY, XXXY etc That doesn't make them any less of a human beings. These people are born androgynous looking, but are still biologically male or female (in some cases intersex too), but many of them have also come out as transsexuals.
Today, SCIENCE PROVES that the brain of transsexuals resonates more with the gender their feel internally, AND NOT with the gender they're assigned at birth.
Even in Hinduism, alternate sexualites are recognized. In several versions of Mahabharat, Shikhandi was transgender/transsexual. In some cases, she was born transgender, in some versions she has been described born a girl, but later has her sex exhanged with Yaksha. In some cases, she is born ardhpurush (intersex or hijra).
Apart from this, Shiva's Ardhnareshwar form, Vishnu's incarnation as Mohini etc etc these are the examples that exist in our religion and scriptures written THOUSANDS of years ago. So, LGBT is NOT a 21st century thing.
Bhagvad Gita has said tha the soul (aatma) is eternal and takes a different body in every birth. SO, our biological sex doesn't define us AT ALL! Aatma has no gender, so at spiritual level we're ALL SAME
In some cases the aatma retains its previous birth memories and in some cases, the aatma retains memories of its gender in previous birth (but no other memories). This perfectly FITS with transsexualism.
Spirituality & "Science" GO SIDE BY SIDE. Heck, even Albert Einstein believed in GOD & said tht humans have barely understood how the world functions.
Unfortunately, seeing has become believing, while the real fact is that human eyes do not even capture the world as it is, but barely a perception of it. We're yet to understand the complexities of human brain.
So people to need be a little open-minded about things that they do not understand.
Though I'd also like mention that attacking people and labeling them as 'Transphobes', is equally bad & pathetic. It's totally OKAY to NOT understand what transsexuality is.
đź‘ŹOriginally posted by: Sharpener
I am not asking transpeople to have any less rights or respect that I do. I, as a woman, do not think a trans person can claim to be a woman because the reality is that they are not. They have not lived or experienced the life and pains and trials and tribulations of a woman. It's just a simple fact, nothing to be offended about.
Imagine if I go around claiming I'm a man or a hijra just cuz I feel like it. That's just so disrespectful to the men and hijra community out there.
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well if some comments are transphobic then they are .. I won’t be sugar coating it specially when the cis ppl continue to invalidate Tran ppl instead of getting educating themselves ..
also it’s funny how cis ppl gets offended so easily when someone call them out on their offensive remarks and ask them to not do that again but won’t think twice before invalidating someone ...
Originally posted by: diasingh2
First of all, using the word 'real' is insensitive & downright rude here.
If this for me then I used the word real sarcastically.
Originally posted by: Harley_Quinn
Please tell us how even after doing sex change a man can't become a woman?
What does it take to be called a woman according to medical science?
The XX chromosomes. Something a man or a transwoman can never have.
Originally posted by: Stella_001
well if some comments are transphobic then they are .. I won’t be sugar coating it specially when the cis ppl continue to invalidate Tran ppl instead of getting educating themselves ..
also it’s funny how cis ppl gets offended so easily when someone call them out on their offensive remarks and ask them to not do that again but won’t think twice before invalidating someone ...
Why would I get offended? You're the one who claims I am making offensive remarks so its clear who here is getting offended.
Originally posted by: diasingh2
I think people on this thread are going on a different tangent..........
Regarding, Transman or Transwoman are not 'real' man/woman?
Answer? YES and NO!!!!
First of all, using the word 'real' is insensitive & downright rude here. When we look at Transsexuality as, "a man becomes a woman" or "a woman becomes a man" it become problematic.Obviously, there's one fact that can never be changed is that at chromosome-level, a person born either male (XY) or female (XX) can NOT change themselves s to another sex, even if they go through reassignment surgery. Unfortunately, that's the bitter truth that transsexuals have to live with.
BUT as human beings, we have no control over our birth. We all start as fetuses & embroyes, and 'biological sex' comes into picture at a later stage. In most cases, the brain develops and resonates with the biological sex one is assigned at birth. We have 23 pair of chromosomes, out of them ONLY ONE pair is the sex chromosome. There are several people in the world who have their 23rd chromosome mixed up as XXY, XXXY etc That doesn't make them any less of a human beings. These people are born androgynous looking, but are still biologically male or female (in some cases intersex too), but many of them have also come out as transsexuals.Today, SCIENCE PROVES that the brain of transsexuals resonates more with the gender their feel internally, AND NOT with the gender they're assigned at birth.
Even in Hinduism, alternate sexualites are recognized. In several versions of Mahabharat, Shikhandi was transgender/transsexual. In some cases, she was born transgender, in some versions she has been described born a girl, but later has her sex exhanged with Yaksha. In some cases, she is born ardhpurush (intersex or hijra).
Apart from this, Shiva's Ardhnareshwar form, Vishnu's incarnation as Mohini etc etc these are the examples that exist in our religion and scriptures written THOUSANDS of years ago. So, LGBT is NOT a 21st century thing.
Bhagvad Gita has said tha the soul (aatma) is eternal and takes a different body in every birth. SO, our biological sex doesn't define us AT ALL! Aatma has no gender, so at spiritual level we're ALL SAME
In some cases the aatma retains its previous birth memories and in some cases, the aatma retains memories of its gender in previous birth (but no other memories). This perfectly FITS with transsexualism.
Spirituality & "Science" GO SIDE BY SIDE. Heck, even Albert Einstein believed in GOD & said tht humans have barely understood how the world functions.
Unfortunately, seeing has become believing, while the real fact is that human eyes do not even capture the world as it is, but barely a perception of it. We're yet to understand the complexities of human brain.
So people to need be a little open-minded about things that they do not understand.
Though I'd also like mention that attacking people and labeling them as 'Transphobes', is equally bad & pathetic. It's totally OKAY to NOT understand what transsexuality is.
Very well articulated!
I have never said that it's wrong or not not realistic for people to identify with the opposite gender. If a man identifies with a female body and wants to transition into that, more power to him! All I'm saying is that he can become a transwoman, but never technically become a woman, that's all.
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