Diagon Alley Yours: Harry Potter Discussion Thread #1 - Page 7

Originally posted by: DreamOfEndless

You know I always wondered how did Voldemort vanished/died in the end of the Deathly Hallows. Because Harry never used the Avada on him. What if Voldemort's soul went inside the Elder wand that Harry was using? Do you think it's possible?

It wasn't Harry who was using the Elder Wand. He was the true master of it but Voldemort was using the wand. So when Voldie used AK on Harry, the spell rebounded and hit Voldie himself. I understand the spell rebounded coz the Elder Wand can't be used to kill it's master.

Originally posted by: DreamOfEndless

You know I always wondered how did Voldemort vanished/died in the end of the Deathly Hallows. Because Harry never used the Avada on him. What if Voldemort's soul went inside the Elder wand that Harry was using? Do you think it's possible?

Holy Voldy! I have no idea . I have no business being here, should just use the evanesco spell on myself

Originally posted by: DreamOfEndless

You know I always wondered how did Voldemort vanished/died in the end of the Deathly Hallows. Because Harry never used the Avada on him. What if Voldemort's soul went inside the Elder wand that Harry was using? Do you think it's possible?

Maybe that's why he broke the wand at the end of the film

Originally posted by: aryapdane

It wasn't Harry who was using the Elder Wand. He was the true master of it but Voldemort was using the wand. So when Voldie used AK on Harry, the spell rebounded and hit Voldie himself. I understand the spell rebounded coz the Elder Wand can't be used to kill it's master.

Thank you, I stand corrected. That's what happens when you watch movies before reading the books (and forget both)

But if Voldemort was hit by his own Avada spell, then isn't there a chance his soul got separated and a repeat of the incident happened when Harry got his scar?

Hello all. I don't know if I shd be happy for Harry Potter discussion still or move on

Vaise i have moved on but occasionally peep in

Coming to ur points

First read the books as movie did distort a lot of things apna hi kuch Naya dikhaya

Coming to wand theory. Jkr was brilliant but here there I feel some bloopers were done.

I can't remember much as it's been years so whatever i remember wil tell

There was the folklore about three hallows with elder wand being powerful

Plus ollivander tells na wand chooses wizard

Elder wand had history..it has to be won for it to work

But voldy moldy always hears half part thats why uska destruction ho gaya.

Be it wand or the prophecy which starts voldy and Harry story

Voldy thinks last holder ko maar dunga toh yeh wand kaam karega

But last owner was not snape nor voldy nor Draco it was Harry

And Harry did not really physically won.

He had defeated last owner Draco who had defeated Dumbledore. So Draco unknown to him was owner of elder wand.

I don't remember how the wand was found and put in Dumbledore Grave from where voldy steal

And ghoom fir ke wand master was Harry only

And it again backfired on voldy .

Voldy own avada killed him.

Harry signature spell was expelliarmus

And no voldy soul did not split again coz it was already very little his own last part. He had done enough damage and he was mere mortal

Usko ek bandook ki goli se bhi maar sakte the 🤣

So that's my take

Will cm bk later

Originally posted by: DreamOfEndless

You know I always wondered how did Voldemort vanished/died in the end of the Deathly Hallows. Because Harry never used the Avada on him. What if Voldemort's soul went inside the Elder wand that Harry was using? Do you think it's possible?

Uhh no... Harry not using Avada Kedavara is the beauty of this part. He uses his go to spell... Expelliarmus... despite having been warned against relying on it too much.... because he doesn't want to kill people.

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said Lupin, “but the Death Eaters — frankly, most people! — would have expected you to attack back! Expelliarmus is a useful spell, Harry, but the Death Eaters seem to think it is your signature move, and I urge you not to let it become so!”

Lupin was making Harry feel idiotic, and yet there was still a grain of defiance inside him.

“I won’t blast people out of my way just because they’re there,” said Harry. “That’s Voldemort’s job.”

- Chp5 The Fallen Warrior, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

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The thing is... it makes no difference what spell he used. The elder wand recognized him as it's rightful owner and wouldn't have worked against him. The spell rebounding on Voldemort himself was perhaps a lucky happenstance but the fact remains that Avada did hit Voldemort (even if he himself was the caster).

And that brings us a full circle to the beginning of this whole saga. Voldemort tried to Avada baby Harry but Lily's sacrifice invoked an ancient blood magic that kept Harry safe and made the spell rebound on Voldemort, causing his body to die and his already unstable soul to fragment further. One of the fragments ended up inside baby Harry because he was the only living being in immediate vicinity and thus, it is implied that soul fragments usually latch onto living organisms unless the specific procedure to make an object a horcrux has been done.

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“Tell him that on the night Lord Voldemort tried to kill him, when Lily cast her own life between them as a shield, the Killing Curse rebounded upon Lord Voldemort, and a fragment of Voldemort’s soul was blasted apart from the whole, and latched itself onto the only living soul left in that collapsing building. Part of Lord Voldemort lives inside Harry, and it is that which gives him the power of speech with snakes, and a connection with Lord Voldemort’s mind that he has never understood. And while that fragment of soul, unmissed by Voldemort, remains attached to and protected by Harry, Lord Voldemort cannot die.”

-Chp33 The Prince's Tale, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

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So no, Voldemort's soul couldn't have entered the Elder wand because it's non-living. But, there were plenty of people around, Harry himself being one of them... so how can we be sure that a part of his soul didn't attach itself to one of them and he really truly died?

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That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack — the piece that lives in his body.”

- Chp23 Horcruxes, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

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Dumbledore was very specific about the order of killing because if any of Voldemort's horcruxes had survived at this point, then yes, we would be back where we were... his body dies, soul possibly fragments further.. latches onto someone (maybe Harry, maybe someone else) and rest of him is reduced to "less than a ghost" state where he needs to possess other bodies. But since all of his horcruxes were gone, he was a normal human being again... so the Avada did what it would do to anyone else : Kill them completely - Body and Soul.

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Without his Horcruxes, Voldemort will be a mortal man with a maimed and diminished soul.

- Chp23 Horcruxes, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

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And so... despite all his attempts, Voldemort dies a regular normal human death.

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Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken, the white hands empty, the snakelike face vacant and unknowing. Voldemort was dead, killed by his own rebounding curse, and Harry stood with two wands in his hand, staring down at his enemy’s shell.

- Chp36 The Flaw in the Plan, Haryy Potter and the Deathly Hallows

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(Really dislike how they made him kinda burst into ashes or whatever and float away in the movie. His death wasn't supposed to be magical... that's the whole point of it 🤦🏻‍♀️)

I hoped this cleared things up . Sorry for the long explanation... TL;DR - Not possible.

Love,

Stuti

Originally posted by: DreamOfEndless

Thank you, I stand corrected. That's what happens when you watch movies before reading the books (and forget both)

But if Voldemort was hit by his own Avada spell, then isn't there a chance his soul got separated and a repeat of the incident happened when Harry got his scar?

Explained this in the above post. Started writing the reply yesterday but while looking for the quotes from books, I started reading them instead and then fell asleep doing so . But you can see my explanation now and let me know if there's anymore confusion regarding Voldemort's death.

Originally posted by: chatterbox

I don't remember how the wand was found and put in Dumbledore Grave from where voldy steal

The wand was in the tower itself. Draco disarmed Dumbledore, which made him the elder wand's master.... but he was obviously not aware of the significance of it so he wouldn't have bothered trying to take the wand from where it had fallen from Dumbledore's hand.

You are right about the plotholes regarding wandlore in HP. If disarming is all that is required to gain mastery of a wand, what happens when DA students are practicing it on each other? Even if the wands are supposed to be sentient and know the difference between practice and real battle, Harry has used the spell multiple times in battles too. Can you imagine how many wands he supposedly owns now? All one needs to do is disarm him to gain mastery over multiple wands including the Elder wand itself .

And while I understand that Rowling wanted to show how a mundane schoolyard sorta fight and snatching of wand between two school boys (Harry and Draco) could change the course of history to such an extent... failing both Dumbledore and Voldemort's plans.... I think that part makes wandlore even more confusing .

Well... the world building in HP suffers from many flaws... this being one of them .

Originally posted by: ssttuuttii

Explained this in the above post. Started writing the reply yesterday but while looking for the quotes from books, I started reading them instead and then fell asleep doing so . But you can see my explanation now and let me know if there's anymore confusion regarding Voldemort's death.

Thanks for the amazing explanation. I am glad I brought my question here ❤️

I don’t remember so much from the books, so thanks for quoting them. I read them like four years back during lockdown that too on my nephew’s insistence. The movies were so bad that I had no curiosity to go through the books They missed all important details in the movies (dunno why they are making a series now). The worst adaptation was of Ron’s character, he is so much better and well-rounded in the books. Even Ginny. My favorite bond is the one shown between Harry and Sirius, he was such a heartwarming father figure. Sirius's and Dobby’s death hit me the hardest.

My confusion had been mainly regarding rebound of the Avada spell and the fact that Voldemort had made non-living Horcruxes. Thank you both for clearing my doubt ❤️ I will come back with more stupid questions if I have them

Originally posted by: ssttuuttii

The wand was in the tower itself. Draco disarmed Dumbledore, which made him the elder wand's master.... but he was obviously not aware of the significance of it so he wouldn't have bothered trying to take the wand from where it had fallen from Dumbledore's hand.

You are right about the plotholes regarding wandlore in HP. If disarming is all that is required to gain mastery of a wand, what happens when DA students are practicing it on each other? Even if the wands are supposed to be sentient and know the difference between practice and real battle, Harry has used the spell multiple times in battles too. Can you imagine how many wands he supposedly owns now? All one needs to do is disarm him to gain mastery over multiple wands including the Elder wand itself .

And while I understand that Rowling wanted to show how a mundane schoolyard sorta fight and snatching of wand between two school boys (Harry and Draco) could change the course of history to such an extent... failing both Dumbledore and Voldemort's plans.... I think that part makes wandlore even more confusing .

Well... the world building in HP suffers from many flaws... this being one of them .

@bold: Brilliant, Harry could easily become Minister of Magic after owning everyone’s wands (not that he’ll want to)