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Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7
i think reservations of any kind are a bad idea. Direct cash transfers to the poor, irrespective of caste and religion, is the way to go. Food grants that the Modi govt has been doling out is another way, though it costs a lot and ordinary tax payers have to bear the brunt implicitly. Mnrega was also a good idea, but it's time has past now- after all, how many more ditches can those workers dig.
I don’t like direct cash as it can be misused as well.
1. Free education is good
2. Free rations equivalent of food stamps is good
3. Free medical care.
I have come up with an excellent out of box idea for the TM and Kchaims for their socialist approach.
1. Ban Burqas and hijabs. Imagine the savings on monthly / annual spend on those. Based on number of women in a Muslim household, govt can charge 40% tax to them based on some calculated savings as a result of ban. Credit for this idea goes to Kchaims as he loves taxes for socialistic causes. We will call this tax ABH Tax. Abolished Burqa Hijab Tax. Just for 1-2 years to capture some savings for social cause some people really want.
2. number one is a drop in the bucket. With immediate effect, abolish the Waqf board. Take the entire asset (fixed assets such as land buildings ) and all others and use 100% of that just for education as Kchaims wants a very large budget for it. Google Waqf board net worth.
3. Ban Madrasas and seize all the property to convert to govt managed schools. So that automatically gets space for education and seats that Kchaims wants. Waqf board assets will make sure those kids study for free and also provide 2-3 free meals per class schedule.
4. Invest in teachers continued education to ensure quality is maintained. No madrassa teacher can be teaching the kids. Have camera in every classroom to ensure that proper curriculum is taught (Waqf board assets are like the dhun you mentioned that we haven’t found)
5. Assets should also be used to make a colleges/universities across entire country. We will call it SSSV University (Sabkaa saath, Sabkaa veekaas). No religion, no caste, all welcome.
Let the enterpreneurs focus on industry and progress without further tax burdens and we also get the social agenda issue resolved.
This can also set a clear path to time based reduction on reservations. Let’s say 10 years max as a child from 1st grade takes 10 years to go to college. Same time frame for elimination of reservations for all jobs. That should happen sooner, in any case.
What do you think ?
if I ignore your abuses, you are in real pain on what you perceive to be Punjabi farmers ka plight.
Without further abuses, can you share what is the plight and what is the solution ?
Do we need to direct some funds after Waqf board abolition to alleviate farmers problems. Not fake MSP to bankrupt the country but tackle actual problems ? What, in your mind, will solve the problem? Please share without abusing and bringing religion in the mix 🙏🏻
Modi ka parivaar always listens to constructive ideas with out of box thinking like my proposal to solve socialist ideas on education by Kchaims .
Originally posted by: ModikaParivar
I don’t like direct cash as it can be misused as well.1. Free education is good
2. Free rations equivalent of food stamps is good
3. Free medical care.
I have come up with an excellent out of box idea for the TM and Kchaims for their socialist approach.
1. Ban Burqas and hijabs. Imagine the savings on monthly / annual spend on those. Based on number of women in a Muslim household, govt can charge 40% tax to them based on some calculated savings as a result of ban. Credit for this idea goes to Kchaims as he loves taxes for socialistic causes. We will call this tax ABH Tax. Abolished Burqa Hijab Tax. Just for 1-2 years to capture some savings for social cause some people really want.
2. number one is a drop in the bucket. With immediate effect, abolish the Waqf board. Take the entire asset (fixed assets such as land buildings ) and all others and use 100% of that just for education as Kchaims wants a very large budget for it. Google Waqf board net worth.3. Ban Madrasas and seize all the property to convert to govt managed schools. So that automatically gets space for education and seats that Kchaims wants. Waqf board assets will make sure those kids study for free and also provide 2-3 free meals per class schedule.
4. Invest in teachers continued education to ensure quality is maintained. No madrassa teacher can be teaching the kids. Have camera in every classroom to ensure that proper curriculum is taught (Waqf board assets are like the dhun you mentioned that we haven’t found)
5. Assets should also be used to make a colleges/universities across entire country. We will call it SSSV University (Sabkaa saath, Sabkaa veekaas). No religion, no caste, all welcome.Let the enterpreneurs focus on industry and progress without further tax burdens and we also get the social agenda issue resolved.
This can also set a clear path to time based reduction on reservations. Let’s say 10 years max as a child from 1st grade takes 10 years to go to college. Same time frame for elimination of reservations for all jobs. That should happen sooner, in any case.
What do you think ?
Nice. At the risk of getting abused some more
, i'd add another one. Ban casteism as a matter of law. That would affect the khalistanis where it hurts since they are mostly jats.... and jats are about as caste conscious as one gets.
bizarre thing today is the nexus between khalistanis, islamists, leftist wokes who got together with black-lives. 20 years ago, the islamists were in the dog-house after 9/11. How quickly they have turned the tables... to be able to come out of the woodwork and launch anti-Israel pro-palestine protests openly.
And amazingly, the khalistanis who are quite caste-conscious have managed to come across as an underdog, as an oppressed class. Ditto for the islamists who have been on a terror spree in various countries but somehow they are the oppressed.
all this wokeism and caste/ appeasement narrative will destroy both the US and India. The chinese are laughing while others fight over all that sh*t...
Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7
Nice. At the risk of getting abused some more
bizarre thing today is the nexus between khalistanis, islamists, leftist wokes who got together with black-lives. 20 years ago, the islamists were in the dog-house after 9/11. How quickly they have turned the tables... to be able to come out of the woodwork and launch anti-Israel pro-palestine protests openly.
And amazingly, the khalistanis who are quite caste-conscious have managed to come across as an underdog, as an oppressed class. Ditto for the islamists who have been on a terror spree in various countries but somehow they are the oppressed.
all this wokeism and caste/ appeasement narrative will destroy both the US and India. The chinese are laughing while others fight over all that sh*t...
ICAM.
@b they are actually violent in their protests. I have seen the protest videos with utter shock and disbelief. Were they so succesful with their propoganda of Islamophobia ? Not just US and India. UK is considered lost and EU has some chance in some n the recent EU elections and the likely changes in France and Bulgaria and ofc Italy.
Pakistanis now think Chinese are the BFF and not USA while China is destroying one mosque after another.
In all honesty, since Modi is accused of hate, etc that he does not harbor, he should make the tough decisions on Waqf, UCC and NRC and pursue all hate / sharia demanders with tough hand of law. I have to give it to Yogiji on this one. He is undeterred in his approach. He bulldozed illegal houses irrespective of religion and has banned Madrasas in UP. Agar education in normal school milegaa then we can hope that more reformed and proper schooling may lead to moving away from Jihad and focus on progress. Else there is only China like approach as last step of actual dictator like behavior.
why has no one asked one simple question. If one community has a problem wherever they go. Different European countries, US, India, Japan ..vastly different cultures, then isn’t that community the problem. And not the entire ROW?
You didn’t reply on my suggestions on how to fund socialist causes for Kchaims. I think it’s brilliant as Waqf needs to be abolished anyways. This way it can repurposed to keep socialists happy for causes like education and prevent the robbing in form of taxes of hard working earnings of rest of communities that are productive members of society.
Originally posted by: ModikaParivar
ICAM.@b they are actually violent in their protests. I have seen the protest videos with utter shock and disbelief. Were they so succesful with their propoganda of Islamophobia ? Not just US and India. UK is considered lost and EU has some chance in some n the recent EU elections and the likely changes in France and Bulgaria and ofc Italy.
Pakistanis now think Chinese are the BFF and not USA while China is destroying one mosque after another.In all honesty, since Modi is accused of hate, etc that he does not harbor, he should make the tough decisions on Waqf, UCC and NRC and pursue all hate / sharia demanders with tough hand of law. I have to give it to Yogiji on this one. He is undeterred in his approach. He bulldozed illegal houses irrespective of religion and has banned Madrasas in UP. Agar education in normal school milegaa then we can hope that more reformed and proper schooling may lead to moving away from Jihad and focus on progress. Else there is only China like approach as last step of actual dictator like behavior.
why has no one asked one simple question. If one community has a problem wherever they go. Different European countries, US, India, Japan ..vastly different cultures, then isn’t that community the problem. And not the entire ROW?
You didn’t reply on my suggestions on how to fund socialist causes for Kchaims. I think it’s brilliant as Waqf needs to be abolished anyways. This way it can repurposed to keep socialists happy for causes like education and from robbing the hard working earnings of rest.
I think your funding sources are great! As regards Kchaims, they might have a problem. It is one thing to have others fund her schemes, quite another to hit upon the waqf board for it. That way, sacrifices are best when others do it..
That apart, it's nice to bask in all the attention the khalistanis have been sending my way. Lagta unki khoob sulag rahi hai with all the expletives they have been hurling. I am rather proud i could get them to stew in their filth. Ab itna toh banta hai
Originally posted by: CuckooCutter7
your prescriptions are exactly what Imran Khan, padosi mulk's ex PM, had ordered. He wanted to create a mecca medina, another socialist state. He ended up creating a basket case of a country. The same has been true of the russian experience, of the chinese too till they opened up in the 70s.
problem with reservations is we admit, hire and promote incompetent characters. In a competitive world, the standard of the universities suffer, the economy suffers, and eventually you don't have money in the economy to pay for all the budge-busting cuckoo schemes the socialists dreamt up. Ends up helping no one.
unfortunately for India, we have entered a stage of competitive socialism. Each party is promising to outdo the other when it comes to budget-busting reservations and to freebies. If BJP doesn't do, they lose to a moron like pappu who has already promised the moon because everything is his baap ka maal. And so we go on. It leaves less money to create sustainable productive capacity for the long term than we would have had otherwise. We keep feeding them meals instead of putting them on the path to constructive lifelong work on their own. So instead of taking 20 years to reach a certain development stage, it would take 100 if that.
It's amazing that on IF in the 21st century we have takers of this failed intellectual idea. It's good in romance novels, bad in real life.
@bold You assume they are incompetent. They score the passing marks and you are assuming that everyone of them only score that. If we have more institutes, the cutoff for any other category wouldn't be this high too.
Originally posted by: K.Universe.
You are bundling caste based crimes with caste based rewards. There is a legal framework to deal with caste based crimes. There is PoA act under which the government is required to set up special courts to expedite the trial of cases involving atrocities against SCs and STs. Monitoring and vigilante committees include government officials as well as members of SCs and STs.
If the system is not working as well as it should, make the penalties for offenders more stringent and run more awareness campaigns and support services. Reservations is not the answer to caste based crime problem. Enforcement of law is. Otherwise, most people would support a policy that has economically weaker sections belonging to any caste have a certain percentage (high single digits to low double digits) reserved for them in education and government jobs because most people can relate to poverty.
Originally posted by: ModikaParivar
There were no hate speeches....Bulldozing under law is called removing of property that is illegal. It’s the right legal step to take.
Hijab students - pointed by you more than once. See one can try hard to hide the real agenda but the identity behind the user and issue is always revealed.
Hijab and Burqa is one of the top 3 atrocities against women worldwide. Can you even imagine forcing someone to wear that in 50 degree heat? FYI Tajikistan banned burqa (Muslim majority country ). People are moving forward.
Since you love google so much and ask others to google. Please google. Protesting farmers displaying Khalistani flags. There was nothing peaceful about their protests conducting violence against police as well.
Right to protest is a fundamental right but cornerstone is to ensure no disruption to any other persons life and no violence. There was nothing peaceful about their protests. If you google further you will see that besides being paid to protest, they were brandishing unused tractors turned into weapons to break barriers. We shall not even talk about alcoholic langars.
Also please google about their demands and the cost to exchequer and bankruptcy of the country. It’s goood that I cannot post links so I dont have HW assigment to post 100 links to you on the math of their demands which are unreasonable and uneconomic.
You can say it as often as you want. Your prime driver is Muslims as evident from all your posts. But moving on, if since 1940s (from your other post), they have not been uplifted - who was in governance for over 60 years? Why did Ambani create so much wealth in same period and millions of other enterpreneurs? The answer is not hard. They worked hard, educated their children. I know of personal stories such a driver of a big company living in one room (like a slum dwelling) educated his children and they now live a middle class life in a flat. They did not even use reservations for the success.
Who is marginalized? You ignored my question on which social scheme of current government discriminates anyone on basis of their caste and/or religion
Not robbing? Really? Billionaires should be taxed more than 39%? What they have proven is the impact they have on country with things like Jio, industries and employment and growth they can create. It does not stop there. Reliance Hospital has equipment that are not there is most of Asia, school, etc. Can they do more? Sure. I hope they do. But it’s their choice. Asking for more is simply robbing Peter to pay Paul (but excuse is “in the name of humanity”). They have repeatedly proven that their wealth has created more industries, more jobs and enabled India vs people who get education through reservations want reservations for jobs also as that too is not enough. And that is too a burden on all tax payers when you have incompetent people getting education (versus more deserving)
Wealth creation is not criminal. Looting them through taxes is. Please google this - % of total SC/ST under 2011 census. It’s less than 20% so think 39% effective tax rate is 2x of their total %.
I can’t post links. Please google for NVIDIA CEO convocation speech ..hear his struggles to get where they are as a company. Steve Jobs. Apple nearly went bankrupt round 1. He left. Made Pixar. Came back and rest is history. And we are not speaking of just huge successes. Millions of people are making a livelihood working and even as small entrepreneurs. A street vendor called Honest Pav Bhaji is now a proud owner of international franchise. I can go on. Get my drift…only one community keeps screaming for socialism the loudest.They dont have to agree. If they were not able to convert hard work in riches, it’s not the rich peoples fault that their hard work made them riches. In case of Dhirubhai, he was first generation that made a lot of money with nothing (he had a job as his first source of income). It took second generation to preserve and grow it.
Still cannot justify rich have to pay more taxes for the rest. You are frankly grasping at straws now just because you think a stroke of a pen can increase taxes and all is well as someone got some benefit by robbing the rich for a short time.
People did vote for BJP. Please check the results. They have single handedly gotten more seats than entire I.N.D.I.A bloc.
I am rich because I am rich in my thinking and my education and my hard work and dont want to rob Peter to pay for what I desire in my life for myself or my own. Whether you are self proclaimed left or right or muslim or not - who cares? Self assigned labels have no meaning to me. What matters is quality of thinking - Not left or right. Socialism to redistribute wealth is not the panacea, it in fact can be a problem because it creates systematic entitlement (if people have still not been able to break the cycle from 1940s as you said). It actually proves INC looted the country and that the socialist policies dont work either.
I am open to more free schools (built with quality over time), compulsory primary and secondary education with a goal for 0 reservations in 10-15 years. BTW it also means banning madrassas as the first logical step to stop wasting space/time and most importantly the minds of young kids :)
By the way, I hope you realize. You want permanence of SC/ST. hence you spoke of Creamy layer. Why have another certificate? Why not eliminate SC/ST to begin with as that is caste based. Some user already pointed out the existing laws on discrimination on caste. It’s important to enforce those laws. Not have someone in a category permanently if your goal is actually elimination of caste based approach (and not just a Muslim agenda).
Why not just have economic need certificate for a short period. It should also have riders like not more than 1 child. Why? Because if 2 adults cannot provide a living for themselves, what right do they have to bring a child into this universe with abject poverty? Freedom means, no one can stop them. But at same time, they too need to be socially responsible so society can have terms on which they will help them. A child is a blessing and a gift and most importantly a responsibility. Dont have one if you are managing or waiting for govt handouts to make it every day. They deserve better.
Finally. We say Modi ka parivaar for one simple reason. Sabkaa Saath, Sabkaa Veekas. Please name a single social scheme that discriminates against minorities.
You can disagree there were hate speeches. It is your opinion. Secondly, bulldozing was not only done to illegal buildings. bulldozing buildings based on crimes sounds really awful. If one member does a crime, the entire building is bulldozed, what happens to the other members of the family?
If the hijabi students want to wear it, why can they not? If it is taken away from them, will they attend school? Isn't it denying education to them?
Regarding farmers protest, I have not seen any in Indian farmers protest but I might have missed it so I will google. But still classifying all of them as Khalistanis still does not sound bad to me. I have seen people randomly call Sikhs as Khalistanis when Sikhs do not agree to their point of view.
You can believe that my only agenda is muslims and their welfare, you are free to believe that. But just fyi I would not mind saying it if that was my only agenda.
I replied back to your question too. We had a post in BJP account against muslims, hate speech against muslims. Is this not considered. Is this not discrimination?
Regarding billionaires, I do not agree. I am suggesting that as a possibility of how we can have more infrastructure and better facilities. I have provided my reasons before multiple times so not reposting it. I have seen people's video of how they became billionaires. I did not mention they did not struggle. They are billionaires and even if you tax each one of them a bit more, it is a lot of money and they still remain billionaires. If it seems unfair to you, you are free to believe that.
I know people have voted for BJP. I meant muslims because you asked why should BJP give muslims seats. So I was replying that why should they or any minority vote for them. They got least votes from Dalits and muslims.
I said that we need to remove casteism from society then the reservations can be removed too. Why would I not agree to removing casteism in society? I spoke of creamy layer because we were discussing why are wealthy sc/st getting reservation.
I agree that children are a great responsibility and people shouldn't have them unless they can actually take care of them. But do poor people have family planning? they sadly do not. I have seen middle class families without family planning. The lack of education also does not help in these situations.
Oh I didn't mean to say you are rich, I was saying I edited in "you are rich" to the top part in the paragraph.
Lastly social schemes, I did not say that social schemes have been discriminatory. It is easy to say that social welfare programs have not been discriminatory, but are minorities not discriminated in the society? If they are not discriminated why are they not ready to vote for BJP?
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