Originally posted by: carisma2
Your lack of knowledge in Islam is driving your perception all over the place.
So let me explain this to you. I will copy/paste some text which I already have written yesterday. Your argument doesn't have structure no sense. God being the creator of earth, cannot come after mankind as you are portraying. So the structure of your argument from the start is wrong.
You may or may not be familiar with the fact that, The Torah was also a book of Islam - then known as Tawrat. The other 3 were changed and different religions were created such as Catholicism, Judaism, The scrolls mixed in from both formed the first Testament of the Bible and The new Testament is mostly for the Christians. However Christians do follow both Testaments and Catholics only follow 27 from the new Testament. The Catholics do not really believe in the Holy Trinity and some Christians believe in either/or. Then there are plenty of different groups in both Catholic and Christian communities that have their own beliefs and churches. I appreciate, that people may see the others books in a more positive light, but please remember these were also the books of Islam. There is a familiarity between them such as 'One God - Creator'. Peace, Humanity, Civil Conduct etc).
- Tawrat (Torah) Given to Prophet Mussa/Moses
- Zabur (Psalms) Given to Prophet Dawood/David
- Injil (Gospel) Given to Prophet Isa/Jesus
Then the Final one came which is The Quran. This one is unchanged and was revealed to Prophet Muhammed (P.B.U.H)
And not to forget Adam, Was Also the first prophet. So Islam didn't start 1400 years ago, but beyond.
So Islam started before JUDISM was created.
So Adam came before Judaism, Allah was existent before than as he created the world and Mankind. Though you will argue that it was not him and another GOD, so each to their own.
Risalah is the concept of messenger ship - the way Allah communicates with humans. 2) Allah chose many people as prophets. 25 prophets are mentioned in the Qur'an, although some believe there have been 124 000. Some prophets were given holy books to pass on to humankind. Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) was the last messenger. And note, no Prophets were on the earth at the same time.
Noah known to the world and in Islam Prophet Nuh. Noah came first and then Abraham, Abraham known as Prophet Ibrahim.
So Islam has been there prior to other religions forming. Our scrolls were changed as I mentioned above. When a prophet came they passed the message of Islam.
The English text is what confuses the world into believing that Islam started after only after the last Prophet, which is wrong.
However, it is stated in the Quran, of the two lands being promised to whom. It was decided then. Now you cannot tell me that the Native jews didn't agree. You were not there to give witness. But when this revelation came and the statement was recorded into the Quran, lots of scholars were present to record this into the Quran, Verbatim.
God did not create terrorism. Unless you know, have read and understood the scriptures of Islam, anything you say indicating such is hearsay. If I was to pick up your holy book, I can possibly create similar scenarios by handpicking certain quotes without knowing the history of what was happening then.
Ravan was a villain, an enemy. We all know uska sarvanash kaise kiya gaya. Right?
So I can pick up that and say well the Hindu holy book's teachings are to burn your enemy. Rama did what he had to do to kill Ravan, in the way it needed to be done because of the whole immortality thing.
Now imagine people taking this and spreading stuff that the religion is teaching terrorism. That you should get rid of enemies by burning them at the stake. So you see, information can be easily manipulated.
Your book was written after the stories had happened. Our scriptures came in as a guidance to what was happening in that time.
Many people esp anti Muslims are misguiding the meaning of verse 9-5 and spreading hatred. So I will put that in here for you too.
So again, I will Copy/paste the info regarding this here that I had typed and posted in the forum yesterday.
At the time the Quran was written 1400 years ago. During that time the wars were not based on countries and politics. They were in relation to religion. Hence the groups were categorised as believers (Momins) and disbelievers (kafirs).
Like now the war for example between Russia and Ukraine is not a religions one but they are labelled as per nationality Russians and Ukrainians. In a religious war, it was believers and non believers. Outside of that people are labelled to now as christians, Muslims, Hindu's etc rather than the terms believers and non believers. But the times back then were different and the whole war was about religion.
Do you think the Israeli's back then didn't give Muslims a hard time back then? Of course they did and there is a whole history of that. But people who are uninterested will not want to know. If my understanding is correct of Mahabharat etc, then the battles were between the same religion. The battles Muslims faced back then were Muslims v Non Muslims. This is why our book references the word Kafir (Non - believers). It is not done to label non - Muslims and hate on them, contrary to the belief of many especially followers of Hindutva.
So it might seem amusing, that people debate about their religion and trying to give a more true account of the facts against the allegations. Muslims cannot go make a movie OMG3 and OMG4 to convey these messages.
Quran was a guidance, to what was happening around that time. It was revealed slowly and not in one go. Whenever an issue came up - small revelations were made to give guidance. You cannot pick this up as a book of law that was pre-written and assume its words with own perception.
There is misinterpretations around Surah 9, verse 5 of the Quran.
Surah 9 is called Taubah (Forgiveness).
5. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators whenever you find them, and take them down (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush, But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Allah is forgiving, Merciful.
This is verse which gets spread around to create misconception.
9:5 verse you see it is not instructing muslims in general to go out looks for 'kafirs' and mistreat them just to clarify and make clear.
It was a guidance for the battle at the time of what to do when they are ambushed by non believers and idolaters. By saying idolaters. Also they had another category of enemies which were the arabs, that were half hearted Muslims or pretending, so they can work as the traitors in the group for the other side.
So now I will just write verse 4.
4. Excepting those of the idolaters with whom you (Muslim) have a treaty, and who have since withdrawn nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Allah loves those that keep their duty (to Him).
Now let me tell you about verse 6.
6. And if any one of the idolaters seeks your protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that they may hear the Word of Allah, and afterwards convey him to a place of safety. That is because they are people who know not.
So to explain, When the Christian Byzantine Empire had began to move against the growing Muslim power, and this surah contains mention of a greater war to come and instructions with regard to it. There is a lot more around this and what was going on in length but it wud take me a long while to put that here.
Now I have answered all your questions. It's Saturday and I have plenty to do. You go Enjoy the rest of your Diwali day.
Take sometime to read this, understand and process this.
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