I’m probably really odd one considering the ones I love in epic are Karna, Arjun and Yudhi 😆. I do criticize the A LOT but lets discuss in their respective thread whenever made.
PS: I don’t consider Karna tragic at all but I get it why other’s do.😊
PPS: Its literally a thousand words draft but probably my last comment on all the said matter
PPPS: Something wrong with my keyboard it's joining words😕
Regarding Trafficking:
It was very Bitter conversation, agreed probably one of the most bitter by Karna. Both were insulting each other. Regarding Karna giving away wives the person who addressed that point agreed to it being hyperbole so the debate ended there IMO (Since Krisna made the same statement).
But slavery or trading of women were not really uncommon practices. Probably not even considered wrong.
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Bhima gave a hundred of female slaves to visoka :
Bhima said, "Since, O Visoka, thou tellest me ofArjuna's arrival, I will give thee four and ten populous villages and a HUNDRED FEMALE SLAVES and twenty cars, being pleased with thee, O Suta, for this agreeable intelligence imparted by thee!"
Karna Parva: Section 76
2. Yudhistira gambled away hundred thousand women at dice game
Yudhishthira said,-'I have a hundred thousand serving-girls, all young, and decked with golden bracelets on their wrists and upper arms, and with nishkas round their necks and other ornaments, adorned with costly garlands and attired in rich robes, daubed with the sandal paste,wearing jewels and gold, and well-skilled in the four and sixty elegant arts,especially versed in dancing and singing, and who wait upon and serve at mycommand the celestials, the Snataka Brahmanas, and kings. With this wealth, Oking, I will stake with thee!'"
Yudhi other incidence:
Having beheld Yudhishthira's prosperity, whatever I enjoy brings me no gratification. The prosperity of Kunti's son that is possessed of such splendour maketh me pale. Knowing the affluence of the foe and my own destitution, even though that affluence is not before me, I yet see it before me. Therefore, have I lost colour and become melancholy, pale and emaciated. Yudhishthira supporteth eighty-eight thousand Snataka Brahmanas leading domestic lives, giving unto each of them thirty slave-girls. Beside this, thousand other Brahmanas daily eat at his palace the best of food on golden plates. The king of Kambhoja sent unto him (as tribute) innumerable skins, black, darkish, and red, of the deer Kadali, as also numberless blankets of excellent textures. And hundreds and thousands and thousands of she-elephants and thirty thousand she-camels wander within the palace, for the kings of the earth brought them all as tribute to the capital of the Pandavas. And, O lord of earth, the kings also brought unto this foremost of sacrifices heaps upon heaps of jewels and gems for the son of Kunti. Never before did I see or hear of such enormous wealth as was brought unto the sacrifice of the intelligent sons of Pandu. And, O king, beholding that enormous collection of wealth belonging to the foe, I can not enjoy peace of mind. Hundreds of Brahmanas supported by the grants that Yudhishthira hath given them and possessing wealth of kine, waited at the palace gate with three thousands of millions of tribute but were prevented by the keepers from entering the mansion. Bringing with them clarified butter in handsome Kamandalus made of gold, they did not obtain admission into the palace, and Ocean himself brought unto him in vessels of white copper the nectar that is generated within his waters and which is much superior to that which flowers and annual plants produce for Sakra. And Vasudeva (at the conclusion of the sacrifice) having brought an excellent conch bathed the Sun of Pritha with sea water brought in thousand jars of gold, all well adorned with numerous gems. Beholding all this I became feverish with jealousy. Those jars had been taken to the Eastern and the Southern oceans. And they had also been taken on the shoulders of men to the Western ocean, O bull among men. And, O father, although none but birds only can go to the Northern region Arjuna, having gone thither, exacted as tribute a vast quantity of wealth. There is another wonderful incident also which I will relate to thee. O listen to me. When a hundred thousand Brahmanas were fed, it had been arranged that to notify this act every day conches would be blown in a chorus. But, O Bharata, I continually heard conches blown there almost repeatedly. And hearing those notes my hair stood on end. And, O great king, that palatial compound, filled with innumerable monarchs that came there as spectators, looked exceedingly handsome like the cloudless firmament with stars. And, O king of men, the monarchs came into that sacrifice of the
Do I think it was wrong – Yes.
Do I hold it against Karna- Maybe I will but Dwarparyugis won’t. So either blame everyone including Krishna or don’t blame anyone.Holding it just against Karna is not fair.
2. Draupadi comment: No matter who says what he and everyone was wrong😡
3. Arjun vs Karna
Yes I have grown to love Arjun after I read the epic, but despite my love I don’t think he was or Karna was better to each other. They were equal IMO
Karna as a warrior
Even Krishna said Karna is invincible until he has weapons irrespective of his KK, that’s the reason he was killed when he was disarmed. Not because Arjuna had an upper hand. Even Draupadi’s swayamvar doesn’t prove anything. Karna retreated after Arjuna lied he was a brahmana. Karna isn’t superior to Arjuna or vice versa.
Karna & Drona:
Regarding Drupada war, he was same Karna who won him inhis Digvijay. CE does not mention Karna in Drupada war. Also Drona asked for gurudakshina from Ps& Ks. Karna was neither.
I don’t believe Karna learned under Drona as
- · Karna was the only low born in Drona’s gurukul,why? Certainly not for his motives he had Arjuna for that and IMO Drona was no charity teacher.
- · Karna was 16 years older to yudhi, Why did Adirath wait so long for Karna to join school. Did he wait for Drona to turn teacher to pandavas. Because there is no reference of Drona being teacher before he comes to HP
- · Karna is only addressed as P’rama shishya not Drona's
- Karna's KK were supposed to unique was he that forgettable that he was asked to introduce himself? So I believe Rangbhoomi is the first where Karna enters again Just MY deduction.
Was he considered Low born
Yes he was ridiculed for his birth, Yudhi called mixed birth people low born people, considering few believe so for most of characters then everyone was just hypocrite IMO.
"Yudhishthira said, 'There are men who belong to the mixed castes, and who are of very impure birth. Though presenting the features of respectability, they are in reality disrespectable. In consequence of these external aspects we may not be able to know the truth about their birth.
Reference - Shanti Parv, 13
Shalya's view
Filled with wrath, I can split the very Earth, scatterthe mountains, and dry up the oceans, with my own energy, O king. Knowing me, Omonarch, to be so capable, of afflicting the foe, why dost thou appoint me tothe office of driver in battle for such a low-born person as Adhiratha's son?
Agriculture and tending of cattle and gift are the occupations of the Vaishyas according to the scriptures. Shudras have beenordained to be the servants of the brahmanas, the kshatriyas, and the vaishyas. Similarly, the Sutas are the servants of kshatriyas, and not latter the servants of the former
Kunti's view
Endued with every virtue, thou art the first of all myrelations. Let not the epithet Suta's son attach to thee
Even Bhishma ridiculed him, but I’m considering him dueto the last convo.
Krishna Karna
Yes Krishna did not propose Drau to Karna in any form other than saying something on the lines The Ps that ridiculed you would keep you at highest.
I’m not stressing on that. It’s weird why people cannot accept different views than theirs and keep pressing when clearly theirs is a perspective too. No matter what
Abhimanyu vadh
Abhimanyu vadh was one of the most unfortunate incidences. There was an entire thread on discussion that and conclusion was Karna only did break his bow, fairly, I’ll try to find the link if anyone’s interested.Even the Sanskrit shloka was dissected there..
And One against many isn’t the only occurrence in case of Abhi. Bhishma, Karna and Ashwi were attacked too. So it was not exactly wrong judging by what’s going on there
Edited by Sanskruthi - 4 years ago
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