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Posted: 7 years ago
Shruthi Di it is there in the first page of the forum.
Di if I send pm also you have to agin copy paste so I brought to first page of forum.
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Posted: 7 years ago
It was a delight to read your analysis on Modi, Shrutiravi. Would love to read more of your views on this demonetisation thing so will keep an eye on this thread.😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
Happened to read it today.so sharing it here

My Take on Demonetization
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Many have asked me to give my views on demonetization, suggest any positive ideas and explain the benefits and issues in simple terms. Since it is not possible to do it all in a few tweets. Here is my take on it., both the MOVE itself as well as the EXECUTION of it.

THE MOVE:

Benefits:
1) It shows government's seriousness to tackle black money. This signaling effect alone is a huge benefit to the nation where many evade taxes.
2) It will ensure a significant part of the black money gets back to the government. It's not true that nobody gains from the money burnt/thrown away. (See next point)
3) The old money not swapped in banks is effectively the government's Profit. Say 17 lakh crs of total money existed in old notes, and only 13 lakh crores comes back. For remaining 4 lakh crores, the government can print new notes, and keep it themselves. Hence, the government does stand to make a lot of money in this (which can be then used for people)
4) It's nice to see a PM who works, has innovative ideas and wants to make a change. We have had leaders who sat quietly and did little. It is good to see a man of action.

At the same time, like any policy, there are some issues.

Issues:
1) Execution of such an exercise in India is no joke. We just aren't technically ready to do this in a smooth manner. (That is why we are facing some execution issues, which I get into later.)
2) There are some tricks still people can use to swap black money into new money. It will reduce the amount of black money recovered.
3) There is a huge cash economy in India. It isn't 'black'. It's just cash. To suck up so much liquidity will lead to a slowdown and losses for a lot of people, for no fault of their own. The slowdown in economic activity will cause lower profits, and in turn lower taxes for the government.
4) A potential crash in real estate prices. While some want property prices to fall, a huge drop can cause an economic shock, reduction in bank collateral values etc., again leading to a recession.
5) The exercise by definition involves everyone swapping their money after showing their credentials. In effect, everyone has to prove they are innocent and have clean money. This is somewhat invasive to citizens, and while there is no other way, it remains an issue.
6) The exercise would be expensive, and that cost needs to be taken into account.
7) It's a jolt to our stable monetary system. Doing it again and again will cause people to lose confidence in our currency. It's really a one-off, and even that destabliizes things.
8) The tax department may use it as an excuse to harass people later, with endless questioning about the extra bank entries.

Net Effect:
Overall, demonetization is a good move. Given the extent of black money in the country, and the tiny taxpayer base, something had to be done. It had to be drastic. It has been done now. We should now do what it takes to make it succeed.

THE EXECUTION:
As important as an idea is it's execution. There clearly have been execution issues, causing pain to a lot of Indians who have wasted a lot of productive time in queues. While doing things for the nation is good, one need not have to suffer because of bad planning or someone not thinking things through. The good and bad of the execution are:

Good:
1. It's happening, and still the country is chugging along. Banks across the country are slow, but doing their bit. There is no mass hunger, or calamity so far. Thank God.
2. Government is taking steps to ease the pain. The change in limits helps. The banks are also devising ways to manage the crowds.
3. People in India are on the whole, taking it well.

Bad:
1. Someone didn't plan the logistics well - it is one thing to make an excel spreadsheet of number of bank branches and the people involved. It is quite another to when you deal with India's reality on the ground. There are bottlenecks galore in this exercise - whether printing of notes, uncaliberated ATMs, or limits to the number of cash vans. One can say whatever about the secrecy required, but it seems that while finance professionals sat and spoke up in the meetings, industrial engineers and operations research experts probably did not to the extent required. We are seeing the fallout now.
2. Citizens do not have to take so much pain. Inconvenience is one thing, suffering quite another. To say bear it in the name of patriotism is not listening to the issue - the execution is not efficient. It is the same as how people say - "Oh, the temple is dirty, bear it in the name of God." Sorry, God had nothing to do with it. The temple management didn't keep the temple clean. Same ways, patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that someone didn't plan the ATMs better or didn't make the new 500-Rs note available early.

FINAL CONCLUSION AND IDEAS FOR SMOOTH EXECUTION:
In final analysis, we should support demonetization, but keep reminding the government to iron out the execution issues. Some ideas:

1. Online appointment booking for banks.
2. Easy forms, which can be pre-filled. Faster check-outs at banks.
3. Hiring interns at banks for short term, supervised by existing employees.
4. Opening banks 24 X 7 after new hires come in.
5. Supplying enough notes to banks as fast as possible.
6. Fixing the ATMs
7. Declaring one or two holidays (not for banks!) for people to get their finances in order
8. Removing withdrawal limits as fast as possible.
9. Having empathy for people in lines, from the highest levels of government.
10. Giving an incentive to people to come to the bank. A meal coupon would go a long way too.

I hope the above helps you understand demonetization better. I also hope you focus on the making the exercise work, which means supporting the idea and yet demanding better execution. It also means not to get sucked into any propaganda or political drama.

Do share with others if you think this will help people get some clarity on what is going on and what needs to be done.

God bless.

Thanks, love and Jai Hind,
Chetan Bhagat

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Posted: 7 years ago
Good one Mano. Especially I loved his suggestion of bringing interns. Actually suggestion is on to bring retired staff temporarily for this excerise as it needs manpower.
This is what I would called constructive criticism. You take the good points, tell the issues and offer some suggestions to fix up the issue. Government is hearing. They are making effort to ensure this exercise goes smooth.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Shruthi there are two categories
1.Modi Bhakts(no matter what he does they will defend and overpraise him)
2.Modi haters(no matter what he does, he is wrong and they just blame him)

we come under third categoryπŸ˜‰
credit him for things that needed to be credited,
criticize for the ones that needs to be criticized
or atleast try to understand the real motive behind the action
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Posted: 7 years ago

Objective behind note ban laudable, says Supreme Court

Dhananjay Mahapatra| TNN | Updated: Nov 16, 2016, 01.41 AM IST

HIGHLIGHTS

  • Supreme Court has lauded the objective behind government's demonetisation drive.
  • SC asked government to take urgent measures to help common people get money smoothly
  • The court also asked the Centre to consider raising the withdrawal limit

NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court has lauded the objective behind the demonetisation of high-value currency notes, but asked the Centre to take urgent measures to help the common people get money from banks and ATMs smoothly.

"The objective behind demonetisation is to force those who have hoards of black money to deposit it in banks. The objective is laudable because black money is used to fund terrorism of various forms to weaken economy," a bench of Chief Justice T S Thakur and D Y Chandrachud said on Tuesday.

The bench asked attorney general Mukul Rohatgi to file an affidavit within a week detailing the steps being taken by the government to ease people's problems in getting money. The court also asked the Centre to consider raising the withdrawal limit.

PILs by four advocates had challenged the Centre's power under the Reserve Bank of India Act to carry out demonetisation in the manner employed in the current exercise, and sought the declaration of the notification unconstitutional.

Appearing for them, senior advocate Kapil Sibal and Kamini Jaiswal said they were not seeking stay of the notification, but questioned the legitimacy of the Centre's decision and the manner of its implementation. "It is truly a cashless society. No one has cash now. Under what law and authority can the government impose a ceiling on withdrawal of cash by citizens?" Sibal asked.

In response, Rohatgi said the printing press was working day and night to meet the demand for the new currency notes, and said the real problem was for a section "that must either declare their wealth or use black money as toilet paper".

The bench summed up the contending arguments saying, "The government claims that it is a surgical strike against black money. But Sibal claims it to be carpet-bombing of citizens."

The bench told Rohatgi, "For the present, we will focus only on the inconvenience being faced by common men... Can the government do something urgently to help citizens who are forced to stand for hours in queue? Why can't the withdrawal limit be raised?Common men cannot be made to suffer like this. Consider some measures which will reduce the inconvenience of common men who have nothing to do with black money."
Rohatgi said, "W hen a decision of this magnitude is taken... there will be some inconvenience. The government at the highest level is monitoring the situation daily and taking steps to help save commoners from harassment."

Sibal said the government had no inkling about the fallout of the decision and no preparation to handle the disbursement of the new currency notes or the Rs 100 ones to citizens. "Why is the government asking for identity proof from citizens when they withdraw their legitimate money from banks?" he asked.
Rohatgi made a political statement in response and said, "For 50 years since Independence, citizens had been kept on wait for years to get a gas connection, a scooter, a car, schools for education and even opening of bank accounts. In implementing demonetisation, there is bound to be some inconvenience for some days. This wait is negligible compared to the wait for 50 years."πŸ˜†πŸ˜†
Edited by -Mano- - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
I loved the last line. I still remember the first phone connection we got. What a great thing it was, when my dad had deposited some additional money so that we get the connection early. Early means I guess 8 or 9 months after booking πŸ˜ƒ
Regarding gas less said the better. Even in 2008 I was running back and forth to get a gas connection for my rental house πŸ˜†πŸ˜†
Passport I had screamed when they asked address proof of current house, because my dad had a transferable job in Bank. Each of my documents were taken when we stayed at a particular place. Present place it is only 1 year. He told bring electricity bill, water bill etc in addition. In my name. Imagine a girl who barely got a job, staying with her parents how in the world I will have electricity bill, water bill in my name πŸ˜†πŸ˜†
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Posted: 7 years ago
Hola peeps πŸ€—
How are you all?? I hope all are doing well πŸ˜ƒ
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers

Hola peepsπŸ€—

How are you all?? I hope all are doing wellπŸ˜ƒ



How are you? πŸ€—
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Cluny13



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Am good sanju.. 😳 how about you?? πŸ˜ƒ
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