Shakuni's revenge: how convincing is this story?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I posted this in mytho masti forum a month ago, but this is a better place for it, so I'm reposting here.

One thing I do wonder - Shakuni wanting to exact revenge on the Kurus - does this have any basis in any of the texts? I know that there is a school of thought that theorizes that the reason Shakuni did everything he did was not out of a mere love for his nephews - as has been depicted throughout the main story - but rather, out of a vindictive desire to destroy the family that sought his sister for their blind and useless scion, rather than for the king himself - Pandu. But has this theory been forwarded by any of the texts of the Mahabharata or related literature? It's certainly not there in the Mahabharat itself, but how about other places, like Hari Vamsa or anywhere else?

Personally, I do find it unlikely for several reasons. One is that Shakuni threw his own lot completely w/ Duryodhan: if he was interested in seeing the Kurus destroyed, he'd have tried to do that without sacrificing his own family - in the war, he lost all his brothers and sons. Also, Shakuni was only prominent in the game of dice, and really played only a cameo role in the Mahabharata in Sabha Parva and Shalya Parva: it was BRC that started the trend of making him seem larger than life and making him probably the chief antagonist (rivalling Dhritarashtra) of the story. But the original Mahabharata doesn't have Shakuni as the main plotter of either Duryodhan's attempt to kill Bhima, nor the house of lac, nor the various plots against the Pandavas during their exile, nor in the selection of the commanders of the war. During the war, Duryodhan took the advise of his major warrior allies: Drona was appointed at the suggestion of Karna, Karna and Shalya were appointed at the suggestion of Ashwatthama. Nowhere did Shakuni play a role: he didn't even suggest Bheeshma.

Also, Gandhari was perfectly happy w/ her marriage to Dhritarashtra, so why would Shakuni sabotage that? Again, the deification of Gandhari is another fictitious trend started by BRC, that's belied by the evidence. If Dhritarashtra was supportive of Duryodhan, Gandhari turned a blind eye to his misdeeds, and indeed, supported his royal aspirations, and was not concerned about the Pandavas, as shown in every serial. It's true that she refused to bless Duryodhan w/ victory, but that was the only thing she did right.

So Shakuni, most likely, did everything he did out of love for his sister, but not in the way that this serial is theorizing. Shakuni did everything he did for Duryodhan b'cos he perceived that Gandhari too wanted it. Again, contrary to the serials, Gandhari never asked him to leave Hastinapur (in fact, there's nothing to suggest that he was there all the time, except for the dice game) and if she did, he'd have had to. The truth seems to be that Shakuni, like Dushashan or Dhritarashtra (and Gandhari) wanted Duryodhan to be the sole inheritor of the Kuru empire, and so did everything he did to get hold of it.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey Vrish
Devdutt's book Jaya says the story of gandhari's marriage is there in the jain version of mahabharat.

maybe shakuni's story will also be there but i cant get hold of it!😔
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Posted: 11 years ago
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other story is----


The sons of Pandu and Dhritarashtra progeny break into an argument. When Duryodhana insults the Pandavas as "dependents", Bheema counters by saying that, the Kauravas are the progeny of a widow. Duryodhana asks Veda Vyasa for an explanation. He is then told that, since his mother, Gandhari had an astrological defect, she is first married of to a donkey and then married to his father. Duryodhana gains animosity towards the kingdom of Gandhara where the king, the father of his mother Gandhari, rules. He attacks Gandhara and lays waste of the whole kingdom.

He them imprisons the royal family in his prison. He gives them only one rice grain per prisoner. The king of Gandhara then stops everyone from grabbing the little food that is provided. He says that instead of everyone dying, they could keep at least one of their princes alive. He chooses Sakuni to be alive. Sakuni takes an oath that he will do everything he can to destroy the entire Kaurava clan. He makes magic dice from his father's spinal cord. The magic dice show exactly the number that he would want. Duryodhana takes pity on the lone prisoner, Sakuni after the rest of the Gandhara royal family dies in prison out of starvation. Sakuni joins the evil of coterie of Duryodhana, Karna and Dushyasana.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks for explaining this story. The only problem w/ it is that the death of Shakuni's brothers at the hands of Arjun's son Iravana is well documented in Bheeshma Parva. And after his death, Arjun defeats one of his successors who rules Gandhara during his Ashwamedha yagna.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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its a very strong role .. like its one of the base of mahavarat .. so how come star will put something like that without proper research ?
but I did not read anything like this in the book i read earlier .. so im still confused abt it ..

but really Liked this shakuni mama .. 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rockstar29

other story is----


The sons of Pandu and Dhritarashtra progeny break into an argument. When Duryodhana insults the Pandavas as "dependents", Bheema counters by saying that, the Kauravas are the progeny of a widow. Duryodhana asks Veda Vyasa for an explanation. He is then told that, since his mother, Gandhari had an astrological defect, she is first married of to a donkey and then married to his father. Duryodhana gains animosity towards the kingdom of Gandhara where the king, the father of his mother Gandhari, rules. He attacks Gandhara and lays waste of the whole kingdom.

He them imprisons the royal family in his prison. He gives them only one rice grain per prisoner. The king of Gandhara then stops everyone from grabbing the little food that is provided. He says that instead of everyone dying, they could keep at least one of their princes alive. He chooses Sakuni to be alive. Sakuni takes an oath that he will do everything he can to destroy the entire Kaurava clan. He makes magic dice from his father's spinal cord. The magic dice show exactly the number that he would want. Duryodhana takes pity on the lone prisoner, Sakuni after the rest of the Gandhara royal family dies in prison out of starvation. Sakuni joins the evil of coterie of Duryodhana, Karna and Dushyasana.

is the true story- and also basis for shakuni's revenge-also he hated that his beloved sister had to marry a blind person!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: india2050

is the true story- and also basis for shakuni's revenge-also he hated that his beloved sister had to marry a blind person!!

if that was true then his family would not have been courting death in the battlefield along the kauravas side. I think shakuni truly supported duryodhan
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shakuni had to support duryodhan because he loved duryodhan bilndly like he loved gandhari blindly, but its a fact he hated HAstinapur , kuru clan because she was married to a blind man, and also the story of his family being tortured.Please read devdutt patnaik's mahabharat!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: india2050

Shakuni had to support duryodhan because he loved duryodhan bilndly like he loved gandhari blindly, but its a fact he hated HAstinapur , kuru clan because she was married to a blind man, and also the story of his family being tortured.Please read devdutt patnaik's mahabharat!!!




devdutt pattnaik clearly mentions that this story is in folk and jain version of mahabharat, not the original,
(read the chapter Shakuni's plan in the bulleted points in boxes )
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066




devdutt pattnaik clearly mentions that this story is in folk and jain version of mahabharat, not the original,
(read the chapter Shakuni's plan in the bulleted points in boxes )


i read thought of sharing

Shakuni' has become a synonym to a person who is cunning. While reading Jaya' by Devdutt Pattnaik, I came to know the flip side of the story. The curse of Shakuni in Mahabharata is a heavy one - seeing your whole family die in front of your eyes so that you could take their revenge leaves you with no option but to do so. Many of you must know this story of Shakuni, but just wanted to share it.

One day as kids, Kauravs and Pandavs were fighting. Pandavs said to Kauravs as an insult you sons of a widow'. Not knowing the reason behind the insult as their father Dhritrashtra was still alive, Kaurav's went crying to Bhishma Pitama and complained about the Pandav's. Bhishma Pitama was left aghast, and therefore decided to look into the matter. He them came to know that Gandhari was cursed, and her first husband was ought to die and her second husband would lead a long life. Scared from what was foreseen, Gandhari's father made her marry a goat and then the goat was killed and then she was married to Dhritrashtra.

According to the Veda's, a woman's kids are always the sons of her first husband even when born from an oath, a curse, a boon or any other mortal. Therefore, the Kaurav's were the sons of a dead goat and therefore sons of a widow. This revelation made Bhishma Pitama furious and for treachery he imprisoned each member of Gandhari's family. Bhishma Pitama wanted to kill all of them but Veda's say not to kill the person who can't defend themselves and therefore Bhishma Pitama served very little food them so that they would starve to death.

Understanding this trick of Bhishma Pitama, Saubala (father of Gandhari) made a plan to save one person so that he could take revenge from the Kuru Clan for their inhumanity. Saubala chose the most intelligent from all the members imprisoned, who was the youngest brother of Gandhari named Shakuni and then they all gave their food to him so that he survives. Shakuni saw his family starve to death in front of his eyes. Saubala with a few minutes of life in him, gave his bones to Shakuni and said whenever you will play with dice made of these bones, you will never lose. Shakuni was saved being the last of Saubala's kin and also because of Gandhari's love for him.

Shakuni therefore became the reason for Kaurav's down fall, as he has spurned the whole game to send Pandav's to exile by winning the game of dice. He played the game with dice made of his father's bones therefore never lost. Wining this game and being one of the main reasons behind the war of Mahabharata, Shakuni fulfilled his destiny and took his revenge form the Kuru Clan.

No one knew Shakuni's side of the story. No one becomes a villain without any reason. It was Shakuni's curse in Mahabharata that he was destined to be remembered as a cheat for eternity.

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