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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
Charizard and others,

Regarding the niyoga performed by Kunti:


The mantra given by Sage Durvasa to Kunti was only to summon the God. For procreation, they had to resort to usual human methods.

MB clearly mentions that there was a physical union b/w Kunti and Dharma , Vayu and Indra .

How can we be sure that Kunti was united physically with the Gods?

When Pandu requests here to have one more child after Arjuna she says:

"The celebrated Pandu, tempted by the desire of having more children wished to speak again unto his wedded wife (for invoking some other god). But Kunti addressed him, saying, 'The wise do not sanction a fourth delivery even in a season of distress. The woman having intercourse with four different men is called a Swairini (heanton), while she having intercourse with five becometh a harlot. Therefore, O learned one, as thou art well-acquainted with the scripture on this subject, why dost thou, beguiled by desire of offspring, tell me so in seeming forgetfulness of the ordinance?'


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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: charizard

its very clear that kunti madri didnt do the act actually. they became pregnant just by the mantra. maybe the seed of the gods got virtually implanted inside😉.
kunti madri didnt do the act because see this way , if even after using the mantra they have to do the act then the mantra is good for nothing. mantra was of no use at all. both of them could had gone to some rishis and did the act and got kids.
i hope u understand what i am saying


Yes, they could have gone to some rishi. B

But with the power of the mantra they were able to summon the Gods- in fact the King of Gods and have children through them.

The mantra was for summoning any god and the God was bound to obey the invoker's commands.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43
@ Varaali
my thoughts exactly.
if it were without that act and so pure, kunti shouldnt have had such a problem with telling the truth about karna to others(after her marriage of course). he would have been a boon from the gods and hence acceptable. if satyavati was not considered wrong then even kunti would have been understood.

in that passage by her own words , she condemns herself as arjun is her fourth child only!
Edited by bhas1066 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
So you guys mean that kunti actually slept with God Surya to have karan.But why would she do that if she wasnt married.Once you invoke the gods were you supposed to sleep with him whether or not you are married.I am highly confused now.If kunti wasnt married why did she sleep with Surya god?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

So you guys mean that kunti actually slept with God Surya to have karan.But why would she do that if she wasnt married.Once you invoke the gods were you supposed to sleep with him whether or not you are married.I am highly confused now.If kunti wasnt married why did she sleep with Surya god?

exactly my thoughts..wasnt chastity were important during those days? kunti maybe did not know that by invoking the god she has to sleep with them as well..she thought , lets try to see how sun god looks like... n maybe when sun god came to her, he must have said you invoked me, now you have to respect the conditions of the boon.

maybe the boon was that she could invoke gods to have children with them...n for nothing else..once invoked she cant reverse it.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

So you guys mean that kunti actually slept with God Surya to have karan.But why would she do that if she wasnt married.Once you invoke the gods were you supposed to sleep with him whether or not you are married.I am highly confused now.If kunti wasnt married why did she sleep with Surya god?


Obviously, she didn't want to. But the Sun God did not offer her a choice in the matter. She had invoked him and he could not go without giving her a child. The sun God too was bound by the mantra.

The most Kunti could do was request Surya Dev, in his capacity as a sacred God, to let her virginity remain intact, even after the birth of this son.

This is what MB says

"Hearing this, Kunti said, 'O slayer of foes, a certain Brahamana gave me this formula of invocation as a boon, and, O lord, I have summoned thee only to test its efficacy. For this offence I bow to thee. A woman, whatever be her offence, always deserveth pardon.' Surya (Sun) replied, 'I know that Durvasa hath granted this boon. But cast off thy fears, timid maiden, and grant me thy embraces. Amiable one, my approach cannot be futile; it must bear fruit. Thou hast summoned me, and if it be for nothing, it shall certainly be regarded as thy transgression.'
Edited by varaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Are Indra,Surya,Vayu,Agni,Dharma etc. men with a physical body!?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
guys let me tell you the baby making process was done as usual. there was no short cuts. the reason why satyavathi accpeted it openly is she had no royal lineage to protect as for kunti she was a born princess so if she did a mistake it will affect the whole vamsha.
also the society changed between satyavati and kunti
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Posted: 11 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: Cool-n-Fresh


Are Indra,Surya,Vayu,Agni,Dharma etc. men with a physical body!?

i think yes they are men who control or rule these powerful forces of nature..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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There was amongst the Yadavas a chief named Sura. He was the father of Vasudeva. And he had a daughter called Pritha, who was unrivalled for beauty on earth. And, O thou of Bharata's race, Sura, always truthful in speech, gave from friendship this his firstborn daughter unto his childless cousin and friend, the illustrious Kuntibhoja--the son of his paternal aunt--pursuant to a former promise. And Pritha in the house of her adoptive father was engaged in looking after the duties of hospitality to Brahmanas and other guests. Once she gratified by her attentions the terrible Brahmana of rigid vows, who was known by the name of Durvasa and was well-acquainted with the hidden truths of morality. Gratified with her respectful attentions, the sage, anticipating by his spiritual power the future (season of) distress (consequent upon the curse to be pronounced upon Pandu for his unrighteous act of slaying a deer while serving its mate) imparted to her a formula of invocation for summoning any of the celestials she liked to give her children. And the Rishi said, 'Those celestials that thou shall summon by this Mantra shall certainly approach thee and give thee children.' 'Thus addressed

by the Brahmana, the amiable Kunti (Pritha) became curious, and in her maidenhood summoned the god Arka (Sun). And as soon as he pronounced the Mantra, she beheld that effulgent deity--that beholder of everything in the world--approaching her. And beholding that extraordinary sight, the maiden of faultless features was overcome with surprise. But the god Vivaswat (Sun) approaching her, said, 'Here I am, O black-eyed girl! Tell me what I am to do for thee.'

"Hearing this, Kunti said, 'O slayer of foes, a certain Brahamana gave me this formula of invocation as a boon, and, O lord, I have summoned thee only to test its efficacy. For this offence I bow to thee. A woman, whatever be her offence, always deserveth pardon.' Surya (Sun) replied, 'I know that Durvasa hath granted this boon. But cast off thy fears, timid maiden, and grant me thy embraces. Amiable one, my approach cannot be futile; it must bear fruit. Thou hast summoned me, and if it be for nothing, it shall certainly be regarded as thy transgression.'

"Vaisampayana continued, 'Vivaswat thus spoke unto her many things with a view to allay her fears, but, O Bharata, the amiable maiden, from modesty and fear of her relatives, consented not to grant his request. And, O bull of Bharata's race, Arka addressed her again and said, 'O princess, for my sake, it shall not be sinful for thee to grant my wish.' Thus speaking unto the daughter of Kuntibhoja, the illustrious Tapana--the illuminator of the universe--gratified his wish. And of this connection there was immediately born a son known all over the world as Karna accountred with natural armour and with face brightened by ear-rings. And the heroic Karna was the first of all wielders of weapons, blessed with good fortune, and endued with the beauty of a celestial child. And after the birth of this child, the illustrious Tapana granted unto Pritha her maidenhood and ascended to heaven. And the princess of the Vrishni race beholding with sorrow that son born of her, reflected intently upon what was then the best for her to do. And from fear of her relatives she resolved to conceal that evidence of her folly. And she cast her offspring endued with great physical strength into the water. Then the well-known husband of Radha, of the Suta caste, took up the child thus cast into the water, and he and his wife brought him up as their own son. And Radha and her husband bestowed on him the name of Vasusena (born with wealth) because he was born with a natural armour and ear-rings. And endued as he was born with great strength, as he grew up, he became skilled in all weapons. Possessed of great energy, he used to adore the sun until his back was heated by his rays (i.e., from dawn to midday), and during the hours of worship, there was nothing on earth that the heroic and intelligent Vasusena would not give unto the Brahmanas. And Indra desirous of benefiting his own son Phalguni (Arjuna), assuming the form of a Brahmana, approached Vasusena on one occasion and begged of him his natural armour. Thus asked Karna took off his natural armour, and joining his hands in reverence gave it unto

Indra in the guise of a Brahmana. And the chief of the celestials accepted the gift and was exceedingly gratified with Karna's liberality. He therefore, gave unto him a fine dart, saying, 'That one (and one only) among the celestials, the Asuras, men, the Gandharvas, the Nagas, and the Rakshasas, whom thou desirest to conquer, shall be certainly slain with this dart.'

"The son of Surya was before this known by the name of Vasusena. But since he cut off his natural armour, he came to be called Karna (the cutter or peeler of his own cover).'"

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