If you believe in God, refute this! - Page 99

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

Amazing. It took all these pages to convince folks there is no scientific proof?😆

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Free 😛

I believe its about time we first decide if the Universe if Finite or otherwise...Frankly speaking ...both Infinity and Nothing Beyond Finite Universe equally baffle me ..😆 ..Its easier said than imagined ...Unless one is adequately drunk ... 😆

@ Bold: Yeah but then that ll rule out the newer Finite model of the universe ..If universe is not confined to a higher dimensional space it has to be infinite and no parallel universes should exist ... 🤪

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Big crunch, big bang. Ad nauseam.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

I thought it's obvious that Free decided to go with what "they" decide...

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Of course ...But free was previously limiting his view and rooting for infinity ...But that has changed now ..Not Free's fault I would say ..Cause their decision itself isn't final as it seems on many counts .. 😆 ...

Vintu 😛

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

going by the assumption that the singularity is finite (even if tiny), the inference would be that it is spatial. Why dont the normal laws of physics work there? If it cant work there, can there be situations where it might not otherwise work, or times? If that's sounding absurd, then perhaps we dont have the right laws of physics yet because we can think of situations such as the singularity space where it does not work. Or, again, perhaps there is nothing like space? :)

Originally posted by: _Angie_

And does that satisfy the seeker's query ! ? Does the quest for the Origin end there? Or would it now be a search for which bang would be the bang #1 !

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

"I believe I can fly" is a flight of fancy. Imaginative people often have flights of fancy. People know they are untrue but fanciful thoughts are just comforting and fun. A flight of fancy is usually a harmless sentiment. I don't think it is necessary to deny people their imagination and wishful thinking. The only need I see to change that is if someone takes it so seriously that they are ready to jump off a cliff or worse push someone off a cliff.

Only "seekers" would care to start at zero and diligently pick away one question, one fact at the time. Majority of people are actually not as concerned with seeking. They see what is and fill the gaps with their own framework constructs. Until we can change human behavior so that all people are seekers, we have to work with what to have. The focus should be consistency, rationality, logic and morality within existing frameworks rather than disproving (or proving) the notion of God.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

Belief in God by itself would appear to be quite innocuous till we take into consideration the number of atrocities committed in the name of God! A person committing a crime usually suffers a guilt conscience sooner or later and one could hope for remorse and rehabilitation but not with those who carry it out with the belief of going to heaven for having done an act that their "God" has prescribed. That is wherein lies the danger!

In my opinion rather than "belief in God", I think our focus should be on the "dangerous beliefs" no matter what.

I think trying to make our framework of God or whatever we perceive the world as to be consistent, logical and moral is more important. Atrocities committed in the name of God are usually severe inconsistencies. If God is merciful and benevolent, how are acts of vengeance and cruelty consistent with that. If only God will judge mankind, how is humans judging on behalf of God consistent with that. Personally, I have absolutely no problem with "belief in God". My biggest problem is with the illogical dogma and doctrine that tends to surround God. Almost all religious faiths appear to have grave inconsistencies within their own prescribed framework.

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I said it can be either finite or infinite. We just don't know yet.

Free ...
Aww ...Hahaha 😆 ..So you are playing safe here ...We can't discuss spirituality cause it has no scientific evidence ...We can't discuss the creation of the universe ...Cause no one knows about it ... My point is we are here to think FREELY 😆 ..Without confining our views to known knowledge ..Some Hypothesis must be put in place ...All hypothesis is imaginary till its proven eventually with experiments ..that doesn't mean we should refrain from having one .. You can't take both stance ..and be on the summit of both Everest and Lhotse at the same sloshed time 😆

Where are we headed ? So we wanna scout for God's existence on a greater cosmic level ? Trying to guess what happened at the time of big bang? or are should we resort to macro level and everyday observations ..( The question regarding the late body movements still remains unseen ... 😆 ) ?

Let me ask you something .. We can find the age of the rocks ...and other material ..If the electrons always existed ...those that are found ins such rocks / material shouldn't be of the same age ...Is it possible to find the age of the electron ? Quarks ? Protons ? or even the Atoms ? I know that of deuterium, tritium and lithium Atom's age can be measured ....If there is a way to know the age of Helium or Hydrogen Atoms ..the primary substance at the time of big bang ..We can definitely reach somewhere ...

Vintu 😛