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Posted: 15 years ago
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Do you belive that kekai is responsible for all this ???

Kaikaya is the most hetated character of Ramayan for many people. She has been shown to be responsible for the Ram Vanvas and consequntly death of the Dasharath. Naturally,sentimental analylist have projected her with all kinds of hard feelings. If we read Valmiki Ramayan carefully,we shall observ that it was Kaikaya not Dasharath who asked Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Actually,Dasharath is shown to have strong objections initially and later on strong request to Ram to changed his mind about going to Dandakaranya. Ram disobeyed his father by saying that he is actually obeying him.Ram accepts the command given by Mata Kaikaya but says that he is doing so because of his father will. It is not so. An alert reader will notice that Dasharath never eever ordered Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Kaikaya did it and Ram accepted it without any problem rather most willingly. So how far it is justifiable to say that Kaikaya was responsible for end of Dasharath.

Kaikaya word has been created from two words "Kai" + "Kaya". Kai means nonpartisan,detached and Kaya means Human Body. That is a Sadhak who has detached from his body is called as kaikaya. In the scriptures we have been repeatdly told to consider ourselves detached from body and attached with ParamAtama. Kaikaya is tha that state of tha Sadhak who truly understands the mahavakya 'Aham Brahmasmi'. That is the precises reason Dasharath is shown to have more inclinations towards KaiKaya among all his wives. A Sadhak who has conquered all his senses must love KaiKaya tendency more than anything else. KThat is the reason why BhaRat is shown as son of Kaikaya. The one who is already in Brahma state should have indulgence only in knowledge nothing else.KaiKaya has made it clear why exactly she wanted Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Although, there is story Dasharath giving two boons and KaiKaya asking Dasharatha to full-fill them by asking Ram to go to Dandakaranya and Bharat to be next king of Ayodhya, actual reason is explicitly mentioned.

Nava Pancham Cha Varshani DandakaranyaMaShritaH |
CheeraJinaDharo Dheero Ramo BhavaTuTapasaH || 2.11.26/27 ||

KaiKaya wanted Ram to become a good person,Best of all."Ramo Bhavatu TapasaH". Vedik culture always considered Tapasya,Dhyan,YogScience as the means of getting ultimate knowledge. She argues that if Ram becomes the king then it will not be possible for her to see her son as greatest of all. She is shown as that kind of a mother who is not afraid of sending her son to distant place away from her for the education. Kausalya is shown as sentimental mother where as Kaikaya is shown as real pragmatic mother who understands that it required for her son to undergo difficult education of YogScience(Dandakaryan) so as to become a great Yogi.That is why Kaikaya orders cancellation of throning ceremony and ask Ram to go to Dandakaranya to become Tapasvi,Yogi.

That is why it is said in Hindi "Na hoti KaiKaya Na bante Ram". Without KaiKaya Ram wouldnt be Ram.

what you all guys think????


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Posted: 15 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: rajnish_here

Do you belive that kekai is responsible for all this ???

Kaikaya is the most hetated character of Ramayan for many people. She has been shown to be responsible for the Ram Vanvas and consequntly death of the Dasharath. Naturally,sentimental analylist have projected her with all kinds of hard feelings. If we read Valmiki Ramayan carefully,we shall observ that it was Kaikaya not Dasharath who asked Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Actually,Dasharath is shown to have strong objections initially and later on strong request to Ram to changed his mind about going to Dandakaranya. Ram disobeyed his father by saying that he is actually obeying him.Ram accepts the command given by Mata Kaikaya but says that he is doing so because of his father will. It is not so. An alert reader will notice that Dasharath never eever ordered Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Kaikaya did it and Ram accepted it without any problem rather most willingly. So how far it is justifiable to say that Kaikaya was responsible for end of Dasharath.

Kaikaya word has been created from two words "Kai" + "Kaya". Kai means nonpartisan,detached and Kaya means Human Body. That is a Sadhak who has detached from his body is called as kaikaya. In the scriptures we have been repeatdly told to consider ourselves detached from body and attached with ParamAtama. Kaikaya is tha that state of tha Sadhak who truly understands the mahavakya 'Aham Brahmasmi'. That is the precises reason Dasharath is shown to have more inclinations towards KaiKaya among all his wives. A Sadhak who has conquered all his senses must love KaiKaya tendency more than anything else. KThat is the reason why BhaRat is shown as son of Kaikaya. The one who is already in Brahma state should have indulgence only in knowledge nothing else.KaiKaya has made it clear why exactly she wanted Ram to go to Dandakaranya. Although, there is story Dasharath giving two boons and KaiKaya asking Dasharatha to full-fill them by asking Ram to go to Dandakaranya and Bharat to be next king of Ayodhya, actual reason is explicitly mentioned.

Nava Pancham Cha Varshani DandakaranyaMaShritaH |
CheeraJinaDharo Dheero Ramo BhavaTuTapasaH || 2.11.26/27 ||

KaiKaya wanted Ram to become a good person,Best of all."Ramo Bhavatu TapasaH". Vedik culture always considered Tapasya,Dhyan,YogScience as the means of getting ultimate knowledge. She argues that if Ram becomes the king then it will not be possible for her to see her son as greatest of all. She is shown as that kind of a mother who is not afraid of sending her son to distant place away from her for the education. Kausalya is shown as sentimental mother where as Kaikaya is shown as real pragmatic mother who understands that it required for her son to undergo difficult education of YogScience(Dandakaryan) so as to become a great Yogi.That is why Kaikaya orders cancellation of throning ceremony and ask Ram to go to Dandakaranya to become Tapasvi,Yogi.

That is why it is said in Hindi "Na hoti KaiKaya Na bante Ram". Without KaiKaya Ram wouldnt be Ram.

what you all guys think????


I agree kekayi was not that bad. It was the game of destiny.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: coolpurvi

once goonj posted a very touching poem which describes dasrath's pain. Member who joined this forum late havent read it. I want to post it again. It is written by Seema Sachdev

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courtesy-goonj

yeah!!!! purvi !! i remember tht once goonj posted this poem by seema sachdev ,i think she also mentione dtht seema sachdev is a Banglore based writer!!
fabulous & very very emotional poem !!!👏👏
great depiction of RAJA DASHRATH'S pain !!!!
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i wud still hate kaikeye & manthara from the bottom of my heart !!! RAJA DASHRATH plaeaded tht lady like a beggar ,finally he died ,becaz of these 2 ladies ,lot of people suffered & the life of SITAJI was destroyed totally , RAM, LAKSHMAN & BHARAT ji got so much pain 😭
yup!! it was all destinys game but still i hate kaikeye & manthara from my heart 😡
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Shortly before Valimiki decides to write the epic, he sees a sad incident. The incident is of a hunter kiiling a male bird because of which the companion female bird cries. So, as you can see, pain is mentioned at near the start of Ramayan.
Because of this incident, Valimi was in a sad mood. Exactly this mood was needed to write Ramayan.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolpurvi

I agree kekayi was not that bad. It was the game of destiny.

Agree wit h u Purvi and Rajnish It all happened coz of Destiny ..
Even Ravan was not that bad when he was Kid
ALl his maternal relatives ruined him ...
Sab Leela hai ...
Even we guys are part of this leela..
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Originally posted by: sita11

i wud still hate kaikeye & manthara from the bottom of my heart !!! RAJA DASHRATH plaeaded tht lady like a beggar ,finally he died ,becaz of these 2 ladies ,lot of people suffered & the life of SITAJI was destroyed totally , RAM, LAKSHMAN & BHARAT ji got so much pain 😭

yup!! it was all destinys game but still i hate kaikeye & manthara from my heart 😡

U r rt sita
we all know all happen according to destiny but still we all hate persons for their deeds...
they are good teachers to all of us ..
Not to do any such things that disturbs family and life of any ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Thanks Sam for starting this post...
and I agree with u all ... None of the characters of Ramayan lived peaceful life...
Everybody lived struglle full life...
Thanks for the info that Dashrathji took resposibilities at just 14 yrs ...
God Ramji also lived life of struggle and so is LUv-Kush
All three generations with diff story but same motto ...
LIved for others...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Sita's pain and sacrifice throughout Ramayan is noteable..I admire her for her strength , for her courage , for having so much faith in her husband..and lateron, sacrificing her life for her people..therez nobody like her in Ramayan
Charu
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once on zee news on a documentary titled ----------kahan gayi SITA !!!

this piece of info i got !!! on zee news site www.zeenews.com ,one cud search for the vdo of this documentary !!!! the info. i got from this documentary is--------
VALMIKI JI got the inspiration to write RAMAYAN by the pain of SITAJI !!!!
SITAJI was abt to end her life by plunging into the TAMASA river another form of THE GANGES !!! when SITAJI came to know tht she was abondened by RAMJI !!!! she was in so much pain tht she was abt to faint & weeped out her heart ,she was ready to plunge into the GANGES but VALMIKI JI came & saved SITAJI'S life !!!!
VALMIKIJI asked SITAJI to think abt her unborn children & care abt her life !!! SITAJI for the sake of her kids ,left the thought of ending her life !!!
VALMIKIJI wrote RAMAYAN only n only to put SITAJI'S pain infront of the whole world ,VALMIKIJI wanted to expose the pain & dejection of SITAJI to the whole world ,so he started writing an epic on SITAJI'S LIFE !!! he named that EPIC AS "SITA CHARITRA " ,SO OUR RAMAYAN is also known as SITA CHARITRA !! later it got more popular as THE RAMAYAN !!!!
so valmikiji got the inspiration of writing RAMAYAN only n only from the pain of SITAJI !!!!!
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