SRGM goes berserk to promote Karzzzzzzzzz - Page 7

Created

Last reply

Replies

158

Views

15.5k

Users

27

Frequent Posters

Summer3 thumbnail
Anniversary 17 Thumbnail Group Promotion 7 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Surkilla

Minor correction - Not younger but taporis will enjoy it.

Then I fall in that category too.๐Ÿ˜†
slimafea thumbnail
Group Promotion 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 15 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

I like HR, the composer. I can't stand HR the singer. I have never watched any of his movies so I can't comment on HR, the actor.

I find him a big show off. He comes across as someone who is full of himself but trying desperately to come across as down to earth. He ends up making a mockery of himself with this dilemma he has.
There is something about him that gets on the nerves big time. Hard to pinpoint what exactly it is but I can't stand him. But I would give it to him for being one heck of a lucky guy and hard working too.
No one can deny that he is successful. Doesn't really matter what percentage of people like him as they are enough to make him a celebrity. He should stop worrying about those who mock him or do not like him. He'll be at peace then and who knows - may end up giving us great music like Banaras and Tere Naam once again๐Ÿ˜Š

Good post.
I wonder why people get upset when there is criticism on HIMESH. I noticed a lot of criticism on contestants, judges, gurus, hosts etc ..... but when there is criticism on Himesh, his fans get upset. What is the reason? Is he really that bad which make them insecure?
Everyone has his/ her right to like or dislike an artist. I still say that I do not like Himesh as a singer, or an actor. He is an average singer with a few good songs. There are many music directors who, in my opinion are better than him. I usually watch SRGMP, recorded on my DVR. Last week's SRGMP was over in a few minutes, cuz I did not enjoy it.
Some one complained that if you don't like him, don't watch the show or turn it off. My suggestion or question is if you don't like some one criticizing Himesh ... then don't read it and/ or ignore it .... why you have to reply and defend him?
ReemAnshu thumbnail
Anniversary 16 Thumbnail Group Promotion 2 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: punjini

One must understand a few things:
    In today's world it is easy to become a celebrity. Just act in some B-grade TV serial and you will already be discussed in some online forum and soon you will be doing shows, inauguration of boutiques and being declared a celebrity by 20-somethings. Coming to hard work - let me assure you, just about everyone in the industry is working hard, though just a few get paid obscene amounts of money. Let us not single out Himesh for doing some extraordinary hard work. Yes, he is good in projecting how hard he works. I haven't seen Shankar Mahadevan making a song and drama about his hard work. Often I see people declaring that the very fact we are discussing Himesh in various threads establishes that he is great, adored and a genius. Well, the whole world is talking about the financial crisis, terrorism, super-bugs, global warming and other unwanted phenomenon. Does it mean we adore all these things? Let us just stop the nonsensical theory that liking Himesh's mediocre music is a sign of how young and modern you are! This is such an idiotic argument and I have seen older people declaring they like Himesh simply because they want to be perceived as young! Just putting some fancy beats into some sufi/bhangra tune and screaming one's head off and then mixing all the sounds to make it sound like some dehumanized machine with a muffled voice does not indicate that it is modern music. Let us distinguish between timeless music which will adorn history and mediocre music which is being elevated to history because of hype.
  • Why is clever marketing and sales of music being taken as a sign that the music itself is good? In today's world, extensive and relentless marketing gimmickry will ensure that first-day sales itself will recover all the money. Does this indicate that the film or music is a work of genius?

Point by point reply :
- If it is so easy to become a celebrity, then why does everyone become one. If you know it is so easy, have you ever tried becoming one ? Look it may seem easier because today there are so many channels, so many shows and so much exposure that chances are given to many people. But what happens after that ? There is a difference between being someone who a few people know and being someone whom the world knows. Insnt it? You cant compare the status of some teenage soap star to that of HR. Would you have 30000 people buying tickets to see and hear a teenage soap actress ? I would love to see you give it a shot and become a celeb. I will then proudly say that I have celeb friend (hope you remember me once you become one)
- Hardwork varies from person to person. when someone dons the mantle of a singer / MD / Actor & does shows, obviously his efforts and hardwork is going to be at an optimum level. Just look at his dedication and hard work to promote his movie - he was at SRGMP shoot, left and shot Big boss, then did an interview for Channel V, Another press conference, then another, then another, then another, then shoot Jasuben Joint family and then have a concert the same evening. All these in a span of 2 days. So please dont compare shankar mahadevan with him. I agree that everyone works hard and so does shankar, but the effort levels will be very different. Same is the case with SRK, he puts in so much effort and energy, one day he is in london on OSO premier, takes a flight back and immediately goes straight from the airport to preview screening. The list is endless.
- If the whole world is talking about the financial crisis, terrorism, super-bugs, global warming thats because they are subjects of great importance and are having an impact which is of a high level and is known to all. So yes, if you keep talking about HR then it proves that he too is having an impact, he is being given importance as people take out their valuable time to talk about him and yes, he is known by all.
Just because you throw in a few negative impacting items on the list, it does not mean that the impact is diluted. If he was not important and of no significance, then why do you put in time and effort to write about him ???
- Your 4th point is a personal choice. Why do you generalise it? if you dont like his music and singing, that does not mean that there are not people other than you. Why force others to follow your views. You may not like his music and thats your choice. You are no one to decide and generalise that his music is just hype. It maybe for you. I love his music and enjoy his singing and going by his album sales and popularity, i think there are more people who think like me and not like you. Even then, I will not dare to generalise and declare that his music is mediocre etc etc.
- Your 5th point again is personal opinion on his music which you want to generalise. For you things are so simple ? Just marketing gimmicks and you recover costs in one day !!!! wow !!!! I wish you ever became a singer or an MD or worked for a music company.
So many singers have been given big launches and are popular, with the best hype yet they fall flat on their faces. If your theory was correct then everyone would rely on gimmicks and clever marketing and then there would never be any un-successful Singer / musicician or Actor ! Why didnt you suggest this to YAsh Raj films, poor guys do not know how to create Hype and do gimmicks (the way you think it can be done) or else their classics like Neil & Nikki, Tashan, Laga Chunari main daag, Jhoon Barabar jhoom etc etc would have been the greatest hits of all time and recovered money on the first day !
Why dont you write to Sony BMG that they do not know how to CLEVER MARKET their singers or else Sandeep Acharya would have been the next Elton John or Prashant Tamang would have been the new age Michael JAckson.
Summer3 thumbnail
Anniversary 17 Thumbnail Group Promotion 7 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: slimafea

Everyone has the right to love or hate Agreed. But I find Himeshji very entertaining just like Asma. It is fun to watch. I listen to Himeshji songs only 5 times a day and I find him unbelievable.
My sis does not like him though, but I respect that too. Live and let live.

ReemAnshu thumbnail
Anniversary 16 Thumbnail Group Promotion 2 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#65
[QUOTE=slimafea
Good post.
I wonder why people get upset when there is criticism on HIMESH. I noticed a lot of criticism on contestants, judges, gurus, hosts etc ..... but when there is criticism on Himesh, his fans get upset. What is the reason? Is he really that bad which make them insecure?
Everyone has his/ her right to like or dislike an artist. I still say that I do not like Himesh as a singer, or an actor. He is an average singer with a few good songs. There are many music directors who, in my opinion are better than him. I usually watch SRGMP, recorded on my DVR. Last week's SRGMP was over in a few minutes, cuz I did not enjoy it.
Some one complained that if you don't like him, don't watch the show or turn it off. My suggestion or question is if you don't like some one criticizing Himesh ... then don't read it and/ or ignore it .... why you have to reply and defend him?
Similarly, I wonder why some people get upset when there are praises showered on HR ? There have been many times when the people who like Himesh (even on this forum with members like myself, Vijay, Summer, Chitra, Jem etc) have something good to say about him, all of a sudden people will jump in and start criticising. Do I say that if we HR fans are insecure, then all you HR bashers are Petty and vindictive ? Is he really that popular that you guys get so jealous of him and cant see good things being said about him ?
Everyone has a right to even like an artist. I can say that I like Himesh, as a MD, As a Singer and above all as a person. In him i see a common man making it against all odds and working his way up. Doing unconventional things and succeeding when no one ever gave him a chance and people laughed at him.
A guys with a very different voice wants to become a singer and succeeds like no body else, is the success so hard to digest ? A guy who looks bad, cant dance and cant act, wants to become a leading Actor, he is putting his heart soul and life into it, if he succeeds, is it so hard to accept ????
I would also suggest that if you cant take good words being said about HR then dont read it ! As far as defending him or not, it is a personal choice and i will do what i feel is right.
Summer3 thumbnail
Anniversary 17 Thumbnail Group Promotion 7 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#66
Rheemji you are too nice. May God Bless you.
punjini thumbnail
Anniversary 18 Thumbnail Group Promotion 4 Thumbnail Engager 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 15 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: ReemAnshu

Point by point reply :
- If it is so easy to become a celebrity, then why does everyone become one. If you know it is so easy, have you ever tried becoming one ? Look it may seem easier because today there are so many channels, so many shows and so much exposure that chances are given to many people. But what happens after that ? There is a difference between being someone who a few people know and being someone whom the world knows. Insnt it? You cant compare the status of some teenage soap star to that of HR. Would you have 30000 people buying tickets to see and hear a teenage soap actress ? I would love to see you give it a shot and become a celeb. I will then proudly say that I have celeb friend (hope you remember me once you become one)
- Hardwork varies from person to person. when someone dons the mantle of a singer / MD / Actor & does shows, obviously his efforts and hardwork is going to be at an optimum level. Just look at his dedication and hard work to promote his movie - he was at SRGMP shoot, left and shot Big boss, then did an interview for Channel V, Another press conference, then another, then another, then another, then shoot Jasuben Joint family and then have a concert the same evening. All these in a span of 2 days. So please dont compare shankar mahadevan with him. I agree that everyone works hard and so does shankar, but the effort levels will be very different. Same is the case with SRK, he puts in so much effort and energy, one day he is in london on OSO premier, takes a flight back and immediately goes straight from the airport to preview screening. The list is endless.
- If the whole world is talking about the financial crisis, terrorism, super-bugs, global warming thats because they are subjects of great importance and are having an impact which is of a high level and is known to all. So yes, if you keep talking about HR then it proves that he too is having an impact, he is being given importance as people take out their valuable time to talk about him and yes, he is known by all.
Just because you throw in a few negative impacting items on the list, it does not mean that the impact is diluted. If he was not important and of no significance, then why do you put in time and effort to write about him ???
- Your 4th point is a personal choice. Why do you generalise it? if you dont like his music and singing, that does not mean that there are not people other than you. Why force others to follow your views. You may not like his music and thats your choice. You are no one to decide and generalise that his music is just hype. It maybe for you. I love his music and enjoy his singing and going by his album sales and popularity, i think there are more people who think like me and not like you. Even then, I will not dare to generalise and declare that his music is mediocre etc etc.
- Your 5th point again is personal opinion on his music which you want to generalise. For you things are so simple ? Just marketing gimmicks and you recover costs in one day !!!! wow !!!! I wish you ever became a singer or an MD or worked for a music company.
So many singers have been given big launches and are popular, with the best hype yet they fall flat on their faces. If your theory was correct then everyone would rely on gimmicks and clever marketing and then there would never be any un-successful Singer / musicician or Actor ! Why didnt you suggest this to YAsh Raj films, poor guys do not know how to create Hype and do gimmicks (the way you think it can be done) or else their classics like Neil & Nikki, Tashan, Laga Chunari main daag, Jhoon Barabar jhoom etc etc would have been the greatest hits of all time and recovered money on the first day !
Why dont you write to Sony BMG that they do not know how to CLEVER MARKET their singers or else Sandeep Acharya would have been the next Elton John or Prashant Tamang would have been the new age Michael JAckson.

It's quite rare to come across an articulate Himesh lover (most of the ones I know merely blabber incoherently) so good to see your clearpoints.
I am afraid you haven't dented my arguments much. Indeed, I see only a slight difference between a B-grade TV serial artist and Himesh - MARKETING - incidentally, even Himesh started his career from forgettable B-grade TV serials (does anyone even remember that music?).
All the hard work you have detailed centres on how Himeh promotes his films - he goes from set to set to blabber about how great his movie or music is- Wow that's admirable hard work isn't it? Attending 10 press conferences and interviews in a day to talk the same thing makes him a great artist?
In fact you have only reinforced my view that gargantuan efforts in marketing can make any mediocre but smart person a celebrity.
By the way you asked if I was a celebrity. I'd rather not give details but suffice it to say that I am not a nobody - in my world of specialised knowledge I am somebody.
It is true that most of the movies made under big banners recover their money from first day sales, that is why marketing plays such an important role. Many actors fall out with producers when they feel the marketing was not up to the mark. True talent rarely makes a mark nowadays because the public is not discerning any more. They like to be led by marketing gurus.
I came to check whether India Forums was still populated by people discussing mediocre music. Indeed it is. Goodbye and I think I have given sufficient ammunition for all of you to bash me. ๐Ÿ˜Š
Summer3 thumbnail
Anniversary 17 Thumbnail Group Promotion 7 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#68
ReemAnshu thumbnail
Anniversary 16 Thumbnail Group Promotion 2 Thumbnail + 2
Posted: 15 years ago
#69
It's quite rare to come across an articulate Himesh lover (most of the ones I know merely blabber incoherently) so good to see your clearpoints.
I am afraid you haven't dented my arguments much. Indeed, I see only a slight difference between a B-grade TV serial artist and Himesh - MARKETING - incidentally, even Himesh started his career from forgettable B-grade TV serials (does anyone even remember that music?).
All the hard work you have detailed centres on how Himeh promotes his films - he goes from set to set to blabber about how great his movie or music is- Wow that's admirable hard work isn't it? Attending 10 press conferences and interviews in a day to talk the same thing makes him a great artist?
In fact you have only reinforced my view that gargantuan efforts in marketing can make any mediocre but smart person a celebrity.
By the way you asked if I was a celebrity. I'd rather not give details but suffice it to say that I am not a nobody - in my world of specialised knowledge I am somebody.
It is true that most of the movies made under big banners recover their money from first day sales, that is why marketing plays such an important role. Many actors fall out with producers when they feel the marketing was not up to the mark. True talent rarely makes a mark nowadays because the public is not discerning any more. They like to be led by marketing gurus.
I came to check whether India Forums was still populated by people discussing mediocre music. Indeed it is. Goodbye and I think I have given sufficient ammunition for all of you to bash me. ๐Ÿ˜Š
Well my intentions were not to dent your arguements. As i said, everyone has a mind of his own and can surely have his view-point. I only prefer that people dont generalise their view point and expect everyone to agree with them (not that you are doing so, this is justa general comment).
To counter your first point, what is the harm in starting from a small screen serial (i will not disrespect anyone work and say it is B-Grade or C-grade or A-grade). For me work is work, it is only some people who like to associate grades to work in order to put others in poor light. And yes, I do remember that music and when he was giving music to so many serials, I did take notice of his name and was astound to know that he was only 17-18 then. The title track of Humraaz (bhul na jana) was used by him in his serial Andaz (Shekhar Suman / Navneet Nishan / Kawaljeet). Even his title track of Dastan was very nice. But my humble advice to you is that you should not grade people's work as it is their livelyhood. For you may look down upon it but forsome else it may be worship.
As far his efforts go, well for you it may not be much but if you ever had done something like that you would have realised that it is very hard. People think that wow this is so easy and i can do that but when they have to do this day in and day out, Nani Yaad Aa jati hai. These days even in Serials, people are fainting on sets, getting drip, not going to hospital or taking vacations and keep working 20 hours a day. Yet for you, it is nothing and you can say - 'isme kya hai ?' Jab khud karo toh pata chalega.
What I like about you and amuses me also, is that when you talk about yourself and I will quote " By the way you asked if I was a celebrity. I'd rather not give details but suffice it to say that I am not a nobody - in my world of specialised knowledge I am somebody"
You surely do not call yourself a celeb but deffinately hint that in your own field you are no less than a celeb. And when it comes to others, in their field you think of them as NOBODIES or -B-Grade or MEDIOCRE (well all words used by you in your post). This attitude of 'main toh kuch hoon aur saamne wala toh kuch bhi nahi' ya 'main toh mehnat kar ke yahan aayi hoon aur woh to sirf publicity or marketing ki wajah se hai' is not good. Just my friendly sisterly advice, please drop it. Give respect to earn respect.
I know that this forum is meant and has only commoners like us who discuss Mediocre Music, I hope that you also find a set of highly intellectual, super-humans like yourself who are more suited to discuss Extraordinary music which would complete the spectrum for you.
Edited by ReemAnshu - 15 years ago
200467 thumbnail
Posted: 15 years ago
#70

Originally posted by: Surkilla

well said, I guess I don't put enough effort thinking whats good about HR. I have only seen him on the show and he is a big turn off for me. Shows off his body thinking he is Salman or what? Look at his hair, and the way he talks, he definitely inspires lots of taporis.
Deep down he knows what he is, he is so full of ****

Bingo. That's why he gets on the nerves bigtime. At times, it hurts to see him making such a fool outa himself and I don't even like him! I think despite all his "success", he lacks class. By trying to be jack of all fields, he is compromising on being the master of one - that is composing. He used to be a pretty darn good composer then he got crazy for all the limelight and publicity. Well, it did end up working out in his favor to an extent if he is comfortable with the kind of image he ended up creating for himself. After all, badnami mein bhi toh naam chhupa hai๐Ÿ˜› hai kee naheen๐Ÿ˜‰ I would rather see him as a composer only....but that's just my personal pov.
Top