Originally posted by: ReemAnshu
Dear ID, with regards to your comments above, I too love some of these compasitions and listen to them when I feel like. I have dedicated 6 years of my life to music and was a student of Nayan Ghosh (I feel you are the only one whom I surely dont need to tell who he is). When you praise someone and say he or she is CLASS and dont like someone else, it is fine. But my only point is that in this world not all people have the same taste, if you dont enjoy HR's music quality then that does not mean that there is no one who does. His Sale of the music does show that there are many who find Quality in his music (maybe not all who buy his CDs but deff there must be many)Why have this attitude that we are class and he is trash (which some people have here). If you dont like him fine, but dont force your will and generalise it for others.I truely believe that most of his compositions are raag based and have something unique about them. I may not be a great fan of his singing (i think he is good in some songs and I loved his rendition of 'yehi hota pyaar hai kya' from Namaste London). People feel that his music is only electronic and beats but not all songs are like that, he uses a lot of Indian instruments in his songs. He also uses a lot of Arabic and Oriental music.I am not saying that album sales are the only criteria, all I am saying is that people can have different choices and you must respect individual choices. Looking down on them and saying that his music is Trash or he is Not a CLASS person etc is sort of insulting those people who think differently. You can always be a critic and not like it, but there is a better way of expressing it.
This page presents a list of awards and nominations awarded to film composer and instrumentalist A. R. Rahman.
Screen-Videocon Awards Kadhal Desam (South - Tamil; 1997) Minsara Kanavu (South - Tamil; 1998) Vande Mataram (Non-film; 1998) Taal (Hindi; 2000) Other Awards was (The Hilton Award) for "Best New Musical of 2002" - Bombay Dreams Musical
Sangeet Awards 2005 Best Music Director (Film music - Swades)
The Mahavir-Mahatma Award (Instituted by the Oneness Forum)
National Lata Mangeshkar awards for 2004-05 ( The awards instituted by Madhya Pradesh government )
Sangeet Awards 2004 Best Music Director (Film music - Yuva) Best music arranger (Critics award) for 'Yeh Rishta' - Meenakshi 2004 American India Awards R D Burman Award at the SuMu Music Awards (1993) Madras Telugu Academy Puraskar (1992 to 1994) Bommai Nagi Reddy Award (1995/96) Lux-Kumudam Award for Kadhalan (1995) Mauritius National Award (1995; for contribution to music) Malaysian Award (1996; for contribution to music) Sanskriti Award from Delhi based Sanskriti foundation (1994) Kalaimamani Award from Tamil Nadu Government (1995) Thangapillai Award Rajiv Gandhi Award 3rd Channel [V] Awards - Coca Cola Viewer's Choice Award 1998 The Channel [V]-IMI Award for Best Producer for Vandemataram 1998 Fanta Award in 1999 Stardust Cine Honours Taal (2000) Filmgoers's Award Taal (2000) First Bollywood Music Awards (Best Music Director and Best Song) Taal (2000) V Shantaram Award: Taal (2001), Best Music(Guru)2006-2007 Bollywood US Awards (2003) Best Music Director : Saathiya 8th Annual Planet-Bollywood Awards (People's Choice Awards! - Best of 2002) Best Music Direction : Saathiya, The Legend of Bhagat Singh Star Screen Award - Best Background Score - Rang De Basanti
Dinakaran Cine Awards Minsara Kanavu (1998) Jeans (1999) Mudalvan, Kadhalar Dhinam (2000)
MTV Awards MTV-VMA Award for Dil Se Re song from Dil Se.. 1999 MTV Asia Awards 2003 for Favourite Artist India MTV IMMIES 2003 - Best Music Composer - 'Saathiya' - Saathiya ( Hindi )
A. R. Rahman has been nominated for the following awards:
Originally posted by: ReemAnshu
Copy cat ! Kuch alag karna tha na ! (Just Joking). Its good, hasna acha hota hai, usse lungs strong hote hain !Not really. You were just 'amused" wheras I was ROFLingπThis clearly looks that you seem to have no point on this one. You make the mistake for comparing actors which are the best in the country and are like 200 + films old. Then when I point out the mistake, you look to be saying something more confusing. You say "they both started out as new comers" well what is the meaning of this only god knows ! IF THEY ARE STARTING OF THEN THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE NEW COMERS NA ??? HOW CAN YOU START OF AS A VETERAN !!!πYou did not point out the "mistake". You missed the drivel. They are esteblished NOW because they are and were comfortable in their own skin whereas HR is still not - clear enough nowπAgain you go with you CLASS thing and call Aftab a B Class actor. I have not learnt much about the class of Aftab or HR or AB but I have learnt this much over the years (and this is my learning) that trying to give classes to people and looking down upon them, is not the CLASSIEST thing to do !So, you put Aftab in the same league as AB? Since you seem to be so avers to this word "class"' let's try some synonyms so that you at least get the pointπ³READ THE ABOVE COMMENT ONCE MORE.... need I say more. Just one more thing, what I have understood from your last posts, you are calling Amitabh as TOP CLASS. Well all I can say is that he has never called anyone low class or looked down upon them. Even when there were nasty comments against him and his family, he called people as RAJA and HIMSELF as RANK. As I said, people who are successful and dignified, do not dole out Sub-classes to others.Don't know what AB says or calls others is relevant here All I am saying is he had class as a new comer and he has it now. Now, would you mind paying attention to what all HR keeps saying on TV? I am totally ignoring the print media here as they have this tendency to twist statements to suit their own need - kinda like you are doing here with us non-fans' postsπ Tell me one single scene from SRGMP where HR showed he has some classπEven if he does not look good, he still has the right to try. Fashion karna kisi ki jagir nahi hai. Sab ko haq hai. Some people find the cheap clothing of Malaika which shows more and covers less as classy. And then there are many who think she is crossing limits. Sab ka apna choice hai.ππ woh hee toh. Sab ka apna choice hai and people's hoice reflects their class...or lack of it like we see in HR's costume choicesππFOr you salman khan is Class and comfortable in his Skin !!! I wonder if he so comfortable in his skin (like u say) then why does he go killing extinct animals and de-skining them ! Then he displays utter 'class' when he runs away in jeep with villagers chasing him. His class is further displayed when he drinks like crazy, runs over 4 people, beats his girlfriend in Public, punches reporters in the face. Kya CLASS HAI BHAI !!!πππ lets stick to comparing the show he is doing currently and the movies he has done till date to HR's shows and other professional pursuitsπ Have you seen Sallu screaming off his lungs on dus ka dum while claiming to assure someones roti or get some one's pyarπAgar yeh class hai, toh acha hai ki 'aisa class' HR ke paas nahi hai. As it is there are a handful of chinkara's left.ANd yes, when Sunny Deol was dancing on 'yara o yara' sure he was not making a fool of himself !still have to see Sunny making a fool of himself on a reality t.v. show. Even with his flops, I am sure he is a far better treat to eyes than watching a girlie bald person in a wig with an emotionless constipated looking faceππWOw ! you are so much in love with the word Class. I dont know you and I am sure u r a sweet girl. All I can say is, beta tum kis Class main ho ??? 10th class, 12th class ya phir usse bhi choti ho ? πππIGNORED. Lets refrain from making personal comments here.If you think that people with your opinion is in majority, then prove it with logical reasoning not with a random comment.That was a logical comment for which you had no counter. That's why you stooped to getting personal. You don't see me passing remarks on your tatse/class/age/sweetness etc. People usually resort to personal attacks when they are at a loss for wordsπ³Because your point is not based on any logical reasoning, it has no 'thos aadhar'. You dont read my posts carefully, I have never said that the sale of album is indicator of Talent. I only have said sale of album is an indicator about the no of people who like the music or the artist....and I have said time and again that all these sales were fad sales. 5 years down the road, you won't see any of these albums selling. Sonu's, another HR contemporary, songs and albums sell consistently and people all ages and from all classes buy them. Taxiwallahs and autowallahs will stop playing HR's songs the moment something new hit the stand. We have seen the exact same thing happen to Nazia and Zoheb;s Hassan's music and cassettes..although, both of them displayed a lot more class than HR, their "music" was a fad too and was not high quality.All I can say is that if you have a show of Ravi Shankar and one of HR, i have no doubt that which show will draw a bigger audience. But it does not indicate talent. It only indicates that there are more people (today) who like HR's music or want to hear it more than RAvi Shankar's. Even in Mumbai, if you have an open free concert of both the performers, there will be a vast diff in the no of people attending both.If people are liking HR only today, as you mentioned, then it's clear that the guy lacks talent. If he had talent, he would have been evergreen forever. Looks like you are agreeing with us that all this HR craze is a result of fad and clever marketing and will fade sooner than expected.Again, just random comment with no reasoning. You say that the music is forgotten when the head of the country is asking only his music.Kyoon bhai, head of the country hain toh kya sab ka taste represent karteen hain? Last I knew, she was not elected by public based on her taste in music. And here you are, calling my points randomπDo you agree with me or not when I say, "Bhappi's songs like I am disco dancer are not popular today"Answer in YES or NO and you'll see who is being random hereπHis Kaliyon Ka chaman was even copied in the west as recently as a few years ago. I wonder how many of musicians can boast of that. I dont think u r from India, but if you come to mumbai and visit the most happening Disc in Mumbai (Poison, which is owned by DJ Akeel) then you will know who plays more there - HR & Bappi da or any one else.I am from India. I just do not live in India. I refuse to call the remix songs played in discotheque quality music. I reiterate once again - do not confuse "High Sales" with "Qulity Music". ARR songs are played in discotheques too and are hot favorites. ARR also makes songs to which the commoners dance along (pappu can't dance sala) but he does not restrict himself to only these songs. He does not stiffle his creativity by making only that kind of music which will sell as a fad. He gives high quality compositions as well. Same is true for RDB. HR, on the contrary is too focussed on cash cow and is neglecting quality. It doesn't get any more logical or concrete than this. Call it 'random" if you wish but deep down you know it's a fact.πJUST TO MAKE MY POINT CLEAR :Loved & Popular = HR / Bappi Da / SonuI wouldn't insult Sonu by taking his name in the same line as HRπ and I don't think HR is loved eitherπCrass : Those people who refer to others as crass (in my opinion only)This is where the billi wala muhawara applies. You used it out of context above. Aankh band ker leney HR ki class badhney wali naheenππ
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Originally posted by: ReemAnshu
Because your point is not based on any logical reasoning, it has no 'thos aadhar'. You dont read my posts carefully, I have never said that the sale of album is indicator of Talent. I only have said sale of album is an indicator about the no of people who like the music or the artist.All I can say is that if you have a show of Ravi Shankar and one of HR, i have no doubt that which show will draw a bigger audience. But it does not indicate talent. It only indicates that there are more people (today) who like HR's music or want to hear it more than RAvi Shankar's. Even in Mumbai, if you have an open free concert of both the performers, there will be a vast diff in the no of people attending both.
Originally posted by: trishanku3
Why only HR and Ravishankar, if there is one more of Rakhi Sawant or any of the item girls we would have even bigger audience than ....miya's. π Hai na? Lagta hai bechare Pt. Ravishankar ji ko sitar bech ke koi naya dandha shuru karna padega.π
JMLR!
Tell me one single scene from SRGMP where HR showed he has some classπ...and I have said time and again that all these sales were fad sales. 5 years down the road, you won't see any of these albums selling. Sonu's, another HR contemporary, songs and albums sell consistently and people all ages and from all classes buy them. Taxiwallahs and autowallahs will stop playing HR's songs the moment something new hit the stand. We have seen the exact same thing happen to Nazia and Zoheb;s Hassan's music and cassettes..although, both of them displayed a lot more class than HR, their "music" was a fad too and was not high quality.Looks like you are agreeing with us that all this HR craze is a result of fad and clever marketing and will fade sooner than expected.Kyoon bhai, head of the country hain toh kya sab ka taste represent karteen hain? Last I knew, she was not elected by public based on her taste in music. And here you are, calling my points randomπI am from India. I just do not live in India. I refuse to call the remix songs played in discotheque quality music. I reiterate once again - do not confuse "High Sales" with "Qulity Music". ARR songs are played in discotheques too and are hot favorites. ARR also makes songs to which the commoners dance along (pappu can't dance sala) but he does not restrict himself to only these songs. He does not stiffle his creativity by making only that kind of music which will sell as a fad. He gives high quality compositions as well. Same is true for RDB. HR, on the contrary is too focussed on cash cow and is neglecting quality. It doesn't get any more logical or concrete than this. Call it 'random" if you wish but deep down you know it's a fact.Aankh band ker leney HR ki class badhney wali naheenππ
Indradhanush ji, can you clarify this a bit more?
"IMHO most of the HR songs are based on Aeolian mode with hardly any use of raaga."
Originally posted by: Indradhanush
as you know punjini this is asawari thaat.most of the songs of HR like naam hai tera, or soniye ji tere naal start on Aeolian mode and mostly end there, something most of the pianists call D to next D (safed paanchi), his chord progressions are standrard and predictable, normally he doesn't go out of this structrue: Dminor/B Flat/C Major and again D Minor with some variation, it is unusual to come across komal swaras when he is using a major scale like C Major, one such example though is purab se )Benaras). AFAI have heard him he has not ventured towards poorvi or todi thaat.when you come across a composer like ARR his chord structure often keeps you guessing what is next and usually complicated, like he liberally uses 7th/9th notes over root chord, of course master of this art was R D Burman who used unusual chords over string instruments in a haywire way but all sounding very smooth, I haven't come across any composer who had such a mastery over weird chords as R D Burman.
This is not my opinion alone, I have discussed this with few other keyboarders, one of the IF members mdroy (who is fully accomplished pianist) also thinks on similar line.
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