YRKKH Banner Contest Issue - Page 3

Thanks for your reply.

But even with the change in aspect ratio of the banner to view the entire thing I don’t really see how that would help. There are like 7-8 pictures of the same people in the middle, some characters are so much squeezed in the side that their faces have been cut. Some pivotal characters like Manjari don’t even exist😅.

From my understanding a banner should kind of be able to give a short gist to the show, I don’t know what to make of the current banner honestly. Again reiterating what I said earlier, its not inclusive of major characters.

Anyways hopefully these things are taken care of next time, although I don’t think I would stay to see that considering so much of unnecessary debates and attacks happening in the main forum, that have exhausted me at this point.

All the best anyways!

Originally posted by: MinionBoss

I totally understand. See we wanted IO voting followed by public voting so that everyone got a say. Technically there was only one round of IO voting - there was an issue the first time so we had to cancel that voting and re-hold it with corrections to the banners.

But the issue is that despite us wanting public voting, the public needs to understand that it is about being fair. We have definite proof that one or more of the makers colluded with some people to try to rig the voting in their favour. When that happens we have to stick to what is fair. In the past, in such a situation, we would disqualify the cheater and re-hold voting or we would move voting to having mods do it only. With IO voting, we can now simply cancel public voting in favour of IO voting only.

Really there are 2 issues at hand here: (1) that it was IO voting only and that I explained above, and (2) that on the mobile only the centre portion of the banner displays. The second issue is outside our control though. It belongs to Vijay and the tech team and is something that he would have to look into so that people see a full banner and not just a portion of a banner that may concentrate on a few characters only.

Any banner should represent the show, but at the end of the day, we cannot specify that x character should be seen 10% and y character 5%. We simply give makers a list of characters to work with and tell them to make banners that they believe would represent the show and their own creativity. This means that if a maker is watching the show they will lean towards their favourite characters a bit more and if not then they will make a banner based on whatever they have heard or seen of the show. The same happened here. We simply provided a list of characters and makers provided banners based on the rules and list of characters. We did not go through and see that the kids were only seen once in the banner or that Abhimanyu and Akshara were in the centre. All we did was ensure that all the characters were on the banner and then leave it to voting.

Just tagging in everyone who brought up the same or similar issues.

Whatever it is some of the banners were clearly done with the intention to push other characters on side. All as IF members we did was brought that to your attention as we noticed it. Firstly these banners should not have been selected only but that was not the case and we ignored.

Whatever it is, this was clearly unfair decision and we stand with the point that the old and new banners makes no difference. Now it's upto us to use the main forum or give it back to fandom who were clearly putting on Social media to push us out and reclaim their position back. You all made them win. Congratulations !!!

Originally posted by: MinionBoss

I totally understand. See we wanted IO voting followed by public voting so that everyone got a say. Technically there was only one round of IO voting - there was an issue the first time so we had to cancel that voting and re-hold it with corrections to the banners.

But the issue is that despite us wanting public voting, the public needs to understand that it is about being fair. We have definite proof that one or more of the makers colluded with some people to try to rig the voting in their favour. When that happens we have to stick to what is fair. In the past, in such a situation, we would disqualify the cheater and re-hold voting or we would move voting to having mods do it only. With IO voting, we can now simply cancel public voting in favour of IO voting only.

Any banner should represent the show, but at the end of the day, we cannot specify that x character should be seen 10% and y character 5%. We simply give makers a list of characters to work with and tell them to make banners that they believe would represent the show and their own creativity. This means that if a maker is watching the show they will lean towards their favourite characters a bit more and if not then they will make a banner based on whatever they have heard or seen of the show. The same happened here. We simply provided a list of characters and makers provided banners based on the rules and list of characters. We did not go through and see that the kids were only seen once in the banner or that Abhimanyu and Akshara were in the centre. All we did was ensure that all the characters were on the banner and then leave it to voting.

Just tagging in everyone who brought up the same or similar issues.

Thanks for understanding my concern ❤️

I just wanted to voice my disappointment on not getting a chance to vote bcos of mistake of other people. But I get you guys tried your best in that given situation.

Also apologies about the way my simple concern turned the global forum site into a mini version of yrkkh forum i.e., a battleground 😆. Had honestly no intention of doing that.

Have a good day.

Sayonara

IMO, the banner should represent the current story that is shown by the makers.

YRKKH”s new banner is either depicting the past story or a future wish of some. It definitely does not show the present story.

I hope, decision makers would look into it.

Thank you for your efforts!

Originally posted by: OnTheBlock

This is rather strange and problematic, Mod. If Mods make a mistake,then they should own upto it [like you clearly state here] but then why should the half of the forum be made to accept the consequences of that mistake. How is that fair.

Rather than making amends and reaching a conclusion that's acceptable to all, maintaining a balance, a banner of complete misrepresentation is put up.. As a consequence of a Mod's mistake.

People are allowed to show their concern but their concerns would not be addressed and no action would be taken because? Because Mods failed to give specific guidelines? Then Mods themselves need to redo the whole thing, no?

Hardwork went into each banner. Just because the winner worked hard on the banner, doesn't magically make their banner in tune with the current state of the show though. Their hard work isn't in question here. The CONTENT of the banner is.

Mods fail to specify details.. Then banner maker makes a 2 lead centrestage banner, supposedly gets chosen by non biased invitees without cheating. All of it is alright. It's fine. [I do wonder if these invitees watch the show and know it's current state though..the reason why a new banner was required in the first place. Anyway, that requires a whole different comment]

But then a whole half of the forum tells you their lead is missing from centrestage, the banner doesn't represent the current state of the show, you admit you failed to specify details... And now the whole half of the forum has no longer option but to accept that.

Nobody knows what's gonna happen in the next 6 months and that would mean Abhinav, the ML of the show, the reason there's a whole other half of the forum.. Gets NO acknowledgement as the lead on the forum banner while he was the lead. This after waiting for 6 months to even put him on the banner like some side character. That's incredible.

And wrong and it's quite evident. It's truly a sign of a forum that doesn't give equal leverage to both the Male Leads or both fandoms.

All of this could have been handled and sorted by choosing the runner up banner,which actually respected both male leads. The mistake of the mods to specify... Literally all of it. You could have chosen to respect the sentiments of both the fandoms rather than completely disregarding their sentiments for a fault that wasn't even theirs to begin with. But alas.

We need answers here.

And problem is that some of fellow members tried raising concerns but only via PM. For future reference to everyone is just post everything publicly.

Seven mods on that forum and yet there is only one who can write decent feedback and tell us how were posts not in line with CoC and give feedback (Sutapasima does great job), rest of them just edits or deletes the posts, how will I ever learn what was wrong in my post?

Then comes banner issue. Main issue here was filtering done by mods. Guidelines clearly stated main character are meant to be in center:

Show clearly has four main characters - Look at montage on TV! Only three has fans hence 4th one is anyway ignored. Mods failed to validate if all four are in the the section dedicated to main characters as per guidelines. I had requested for new montage in EDT too to include all four characters on first page.

I am done with main forum of this show. Better to be out completely from that space and stop reporting all mockery of sensitive issues being made there.

Thanks anyway for helping us understand how things work on IF.

Originally posted by: MinionBoss

We understand people's concerns but a banner contest was held with proper rules and fair voting. We ended up having to cancel public voting due to cheating, but other than that we kept it fair and thus we will ensure that the winner is treated fairly and properly.

People are allowed to show their concerns and we hear those concerns but we didn't stipulate the rule that Abhinav needed to be in the middle and that is our fault, not the makers' fault and thus we will not punish them for that.

We didn't give false reassurances. At that time, we said we would look into it and try to be fair. We did exactly that. We cannot be unfair to the makers. They all spent time to make these nice banners so we will have that winning banner for the next 6 months minimum.

I appreciate the time people have spent in making the nice banners

But IMO, people who are making the banners should be aware of the current story line that is shown by the makers and also the purpose of the banner.

If decision makers have not specified the details or banner makers have not kept the purpose of the banner and the current story in mind while making the banners, why should there be a false representation on the forum?

Hope this will be looked into and we are able to see the correct representation of the current story through the banner!

Originally posted by: MinionBoss

We understand people's concerns but a banner contest was held with proper rules and fair voting. We ended up having to cancel public voting due to cheating, but other than that we kept it fair and thus we will ensure that the winner is treated fairly and properly.

People are allowed to show their concerns and we hear those concerns but we didn't stipulate the rule that Abhinav needed to be in the middle and that is our fault, not the makers' fault and thus we will not punish them for that.

We didn't give false reassurances. At that time, we said we would look into it and try to be fair. We did exactly that. We cannot be unfair to the makers. They all spent time to make these nice banners so we will have that winning banner for the next 6 months minimum.

Posting this again since it was deleted. Do let me know which specific rules were previously violated so that I can make the necessary edits but I'll still post this comment regardless.. in any capacity possible. Cause this post raises the issue of the misrepresentation of the show in the new banner, an issue which still hasnt been acknowledged with a solution.

This is rather strange and problematic, Mod. If contest organizers made a mistake[ like you clearly state here] which resulted in one of LEADS being deprived of his rightful place on the banner which in turn misrepresents the show.. why should the half of the forum bear the brunt and be made to accept the consequences of that mistake?

People are allowed to show their concern but their concerns would not be given a proper solution and no action would be taken because? Because someone else's mistake. Then those mistakes somehow does not warrant a redo the contest.. because? That itself raises several questions.

It goes without saying that hardwork went into each banner. But just because the winner worked hard on the banner doesn't magically make their creation in tune with the current state of the show though. Their hard work isn't in question here. The CONTENT of the banner is. The main issue lies in the content of the winning banner not aligning with the current state of the show.

The chronology of the events as summarised : the contest organizers failed to provide clear details which lead to a banner being chosen that prominently features two leads in the middle without accurately representing the show's current state. Consequently, half of the forum expressed their dissatisfaction and surprise with their lead being excluded from the central position on the banner. [It is important to consider whether the invitees who selected the banner are familiar with the show's current state, which may require further discussion]

Anyway, as the other half does so their concerns arent met with a solution. They are given no option except accepting the decision for the next six months. My question is WHY. Why should they.

Nobody knows what's gonna happen in the next 6 months on the show. That would mean Abhinav, the new ML of the show, the reason behind the existence of this whole other half of the forum,the integral character for which this half actually bother visiting the forum for.. would get NO acknowledgement as one of the central leads on the forum banner for 12 months then? 12 WHOLE MONTHS. This after waiting for 6 months to even put him on the banner. That's incredible.

And wrong. It gives the obvious impression of a forum that doesn't give equal leverage to both the Male Leads.

Now, all of this debacle could have been avoided and sorted by choosing the runner up banner,which not only respected both male leads but also promptly rectified the mistake made by the contest organizers themselves. This approach would have acknowledged and respected the sentiments of both parts of the forum, rather than disregarding the sentiments of one for a mistake that was not their responsibility in the first place. But alas.

tldr : If addressing and correcting this issue now for the rightful representation of the show is somehow unfair to the banner makers and their mispresentation of a banner, how is it not UNFAIR to ask half of the forum to simply accept a banner that blatantly misrepresents the show by excluding one of the three leads from their rightful place,a banner where he isnt given his due even after 6 months of waiting, for NO FAULT OF THEIRS?

Originally posted by: Annabethhoney

hey i was told by mods that if people mock me or goo personal then i shouldn’t reply them or anything I should simply report…no even pm but i replied back so those my replies r removed and i had a warning..which r rules apparently 🤷‍♀️ but these comments r not removed so fair right

Yeah my problem with that forum is this only, people just say anything and talk however to others (as depicted by someone earlier in this thread, by them directly calling others frustrated kids, etc) and when we raise our concerns its all about go report, and despite reporting those comments, they stay and go on and on for pages (just look at how it has been hours since its still there). Is it okay for people to mock a certain set of people that way? I had also posted a comment early in the morning today, which was immediately removed, same with a comment posted by another person, but why is this type of urgency not shown in case its someone from the other side of the spectrum, why are they allowed to mock people so casually?🤷🏻‍♀️ There are back to back topics made in the forum mocking characters on the pretext of having fun, but in case I do the same I get immediate warnings? Its not even about my posts getting deleted, I am okay with that happening if Mods thinks something unaccepted was written by me, I can even go ahead and edit my posts too if I am told about it nicely, or explained why it’s inappropriate. The problem is why does it not happen for all. I don’t wish to question anybody, I still want to have my faith on the Mods but seeing such incidents (like letting such posts mocking members by certain individuals stay while taking off immediately in case it was coming from the other end) happen again and again is demoralising. I said in my post yesterday which was taken off and again reiterating that the forum does not seem inclusive and accepting to all ideologies anymore.

First of all congratulations to the all yrkkh banner makers and winners! And well done to all mods for conducting a fair contest.

A lot has already been said about this but I would just like to point out that the rules of the banner contest were openly visible to all. If there were concerns about the rules, they should have been brought up during the time when banner contest was inviting entries so that appropriate action could have been taken then, not after winner is declared. As the mods rightly said, this undermines the efforts put by all banner makers who just followed the rules.

The banner entries and contest followed the rules laid out at start and so are still valid. Infact IO votes from non yrkkh forum contributors ensured banners are selected based on the aesthetics and not based on liking of certain characters, which is only fair.

The main point of contention for the banner dispute is who are considered as the main leads of the show and this is no hidden fact that everyone has a different opinion on it. This should have been thought of and brought up at the start of banner contest not at the end. Hence any inputs or deliberation now on the rules of banner contest should feed into next contest as appropriate.

These are the basic rules of democracy guys. Crying foul after winner is declared because it didn’t meet your expectation is in bad taste IMHO.

The banner contest was held for all and was conducted fairly as per rules, it wasn’t held to meet expectations of a section of audience!

Originally posted by: Annabethhoney

But for asking to stop those topics in threads many times i have been warned by mods for moral policing others…but these topics discussion or mocking or name callings r totally fine

Looks like the rules are only meant for us!

Who ever replied here about BC were very polite and up to the point ! No one is against the winner or the banner! Really appreciate the efforts put by all makers !

But here I failed to understand how it is fair for other banner makers who put the same efforts n hard work in making ,just because a few ppl cheated and the actual show Viewers and contributors did not get a chance to vote and select their banners which r representing the present story line ? It is also unfair with the regular visitors and contributes of Yrkkh forum who cannot select the banner for the show they r watching regularly just because the rules were not stipulated before and foul play by some ?

But here others opinions n concerns are indirectly and also openly being bullied and mocked which is clearly violating the coc rules ,it’s been more than half day still no action being taken proves how this forum is actually working and backing one section!

Anyway who really cares who is beside Ak in the banner when Abhinav is beside Ak in the show😆! They r a couple ,so keeping someone else beside Ak doesn’t change the storyline unless the makers wanted to ,so that’s ok!