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Originally posted by: RamLakshman

X pe dangal krne walo mein I'm already there I've hated everything about that show, if I start, I wont stop

I had such high hopes with the way it began and to be honest their actors also weren't bad. But jo gandagi machai unhone .. bhagwan kasam.

And then few actors started defending whatever they were showing .. I gave up then, it was worse than trying to talk to a wall. Proper gonecase.

Thank God main bach gayi. Didn't watch at all as I was suffering from PTSD of StarBharat

Originally posted by: ananya3129

What about your views about Uttara Kanda

I personally don't believe it as at the end of Yuddha kanda Valmiki ji has told Rama ruled for 10000 years and I like it that way. After going through so much they lived happily ever after and ehen time came they left for Vaikunth. I know Uttara Kanda shows the RamaRajya part and Mata Sita's sacrifices but still I think its an interpolation

I don't think it's entirely true. Some stories might be true in it . But then how can we explain birth of Luv Kush and their story if we don't consider UK. Like why they were studying under Rishi Valmiki ? Because Guru Vashisht was kul guru so they should have studies under him if they were in Ayodhya. Some questions are there.

I think it's more kind of manipulated than being entirely false.

Many people feel especially on X as who were demanding UK that Ramayan is incomplete without it ans that it shows Ram Sita's unconditional love etc.

But i dont understand how people can see track of mata Sita being questioned and sent away. It's so hurtful to watch. Only separation and sadness

Originally posted by: RamLakshman

X pe dangal krne walo mein I'm already there I've hated everything about that show, if I start, I wont stop

I had such high hopes with the way it began and to be honest their actors also weren't bad. But jo gandagi machai unhone .. bhagwan kasam.

And then few actors started defending whatever they were showing .. I gave up then, it was worse than trying to talk to a wall. Proper gonecase.

Are kya bol rahe the X vale SkR pe? Kya dangal hua?Mujhe bhi batao. I didn't visit X since few days😂

Originally posted by: Chinie

I don't think it's entirely true. Some stories might be true in it . But then how can we explain birth of Luv Kush and their story if we don't consider UK. Like why they were studying under Rishi Valmiki ? Because Guru Vashisht was kul guru so they should have studies under him if they were in Ayodhya. Some questions are there.

I think it's more kind of manipulated than being entirely false.

Many people feel especially on X as who were demanding UK that Ramayan is incomplete without it ans that it shows Ram Sita's unconditional love etc.

But i dont understand how people can see track of mata Sita being questioned and sent away. It's so hurtful to watch. Only separation and sadness

I m having some confusion here

Uttar Ramayan kisne likhi .. valmiki ya tulsidas ne.

Mostly all makers follow these two versions when they show events . Agar Valmiki ne likhi hai toh valid hogi na. Story ke end mein valmiki hi aate hai sita ki purity ka batate hai etcetc

Aur ya agni pariksha track.. was it agni pariksha ya something else.

Ramji never doubted his sita. It's told many times.

In rs ramayan and imagine ramayan agni pariksha time par lakshman was very angry and question ramji about this. That time ramji tells back story of how he had kept real sita in agni dev care anticipating ravan attack .he also mentioned that sita is so pure that if ravan had touched her woh bhasm ho jaata . That means this theory of whole Lanka kaand was for chhaya sita not real sita and this was done to establish dharma and end ravan rule. And to fight for woman dignity.. PPL called that agni prasang as agni pariksha..

So this theory is correct or am I missing something here

Again sita was sent to vanvas or went on her own coz praja questioned her purity. That part was sorry to say pathetic and absurd.

I don't understand this at all

Originally posted by: chatterbox

I m having some confusion here

Uttar Ramayan kisne likhi .. valmiki ya tulsidas ne.

Mostly all makers follow these two versions when they show events . Agar Valmiki ne likhi hai toh valid hogi na. Story ke end mein valmiki hi aate hai sita ki purity ka batate hai etcetc

Aur ya agni pariksha track.. was it agni pariksha ya something else.

Ramji never doubted his sita. It's told many times.

In rs ramayan and imagine ramayan agni pariksha time par lakshman was very angry and question ramji about this. That time ramji tells back story of how he had kept real sita in agni dev care anticipating ravan attack .he also mentioned that sita is so pure that if ravan had touched her woh bhasm ho jaata . That means this theory of whole Lanka kaand was for chhaya sita not real sita and this was done to establish dharma and end ravan rule. And to fight for woman dignity.. PPL called that agni prasang as agni pariksha..

So this theory is correct or am I missing something here

Again sita was sent to vanvas or went on her own coz praja questioned her purity. That part was sorry to say pathetic and absurd.

I don't understand this at all

Uttarkand is not there in RCM,,, Tulsidas ji has ended on Ram Rajyabhishek...and then just gives avdhaarna of Ram Rajya....he mentions abt luv kush being Siyaram ke sons...but Valmiki Ramayan has Uttar kand....in text it's written Ramji sent Sita to van and that incident and few others I wrote in my answer when Ananya didi asked abt Uttar kand par ham sabke thoughts Ramayan Canon DT mein.....waha I mentioned also why I feel it as later addition, though I may be wrong.

Agnipariksha.....Tulsidas ji states chhaya Sita concept....Valmiki doesn't say it's chhaya Sita...Real Sita was abducted...all struggles actually faced in Lanka by real Sita only ...and he states Ramji ke kathor vachan to SitaMaa which instigates her and she herself orders Lakshman to gather woods and light up pyre...though when she was just going to enter the agni....immediately all devtas including agni dev comes screaming and says she is purest....Ramji declares he has no doubt abt it...if Ram is sun,Sita is his prabha,they are not separate...but he did all this so World doesn't question her character....

Originally posted by: RamAayenge

Uttarkand is not there in RCM,,, Tulsidas ji has ended on Ram Rajyabhishek...and then just gives avdhaarna of Ram Rajya....he mentions abt luv kush being Siyaram ke sons...but Valmiki Ramayan has Uttar kand....in text it's written Ramji sent Sita to van and that incident and few others I wrote in my answer when Ananya didi asked abt Uttar kand par ham sabke thoughts Ramayan Canon DT mein.....waha I mentioned also why I don't feel it as later addition, though I may be wrong.

Agnipariksha.....Tulsidas ji states chhaya Sita concept....Valmiki doesn't say it's chhaya Sita...Real Sita was abducted...all struggles actually faced in Lanka by real Sita only ...and he states Ramji ke kathor vachan to SitaMaa which instigates her and she herself orders Lakshman to gather woods and light up pyre...though when she was just going to enter the agni....immediately all devtas including agni dev comes screaming and says she is purest....Ramji declares he has no doubt abt it...if Ram is sun,Sita is his prabha,they are not separate...but he did all this so World doesn't question her character....

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Nothing more to add. I just hope they don't show that chhaya Sita part and go with VR.

Originally posted by: RamAayenge

Uttarkand is not there in RCM,,, Tulsidas ji has ended on Ram Rajyabhishek...and then just gives avdhaarna of Ram Rajya....he mentions abt luv kush being Siyaram ke sons...but Valmiki Ramayan has Uttar kand....in text it's written Ramji sent Sita to van and that incident and few others I wrote in my answer when Ananya didi asked abt Uttar kand par ham sabke thoughts Ramayan Canon DT mein.....waha I mentioned also why I feel it as later addition, though I may be wrong.

Agnipariksha.....Tulsidas ji states chhaya Sita concept....Valmiki doesn't say it's chhaya Sita...Real Sita was abducted...all struggles actually faced in Lanka by real Sita only ...and he states Ramji ke kathor vachan to SitaMaa which instigates her and she herself orders Lakshman to gather woods and light up pyre...though when she was just going to enter the agni....immediately all devtas including agni dev comes screaming and says she is purest....Ramji declares he has no doubt abt it...if Ram is sun,Sita is his prabha,they are not separate...but he did all this so World doesn't question her character....

Arre yahan toh fir khichdi ban gayi re

Valmiki writes Uttar Ramayan but agni pariksha ke time both valmiki and tulsidas ka difference of opinion ho gaya 🙄

And here ramji uses kathor vachan so sita orders for agni

Yaar sab golmaal hai bhai golmaal hai

And ya this is curiousity question and well discussion only as i really don't know any text..

And as ramji already did agni pariksha and proved sita purity toh fir logon ki baaton se pareshan kyo hue 🤔🤔

Originally posted by: ananya3129

Word

Nothing more to add. I just hope they don't show that chhaya Sita part and go with VR.

Chalo jaane do. Chhaya ho ya Maya I m not watching but yeh point mere bheje mei aayi hi nahi

Sabse jyada khichdi yahi bani hai

Difference of opinion ho gaya 🥺

Originally posted by: chatterbox

Arre yahan toh fir khichdi ban gayi re

Valmiki writes Uttar Ramayan but agni pariksha ke time both valmiki and tulsidas ka difference of opinion ho gaya 🙄

And here ramji uses kathor vachan so sita orders for agni

Yaar sab golmaal hai bhai golmaal hai

And ya this is curiousity question and well discussion only as i really don't know any text..

And as ramji already did agni pariksha and proved sita purity toh fir logon ki baaton se pareshan kyo hue 🤔🤔

The last three lines. That's exactly my pov too and this entire part triggers and gets me mad so I refrain from talking about it because I don't get it. So even I know I'll skip it because it's been years and despite reading different versions and folklores I've never been 100% convinced. Agar chhaya hai toh baaki Ramayan ka kya matlb and chhaya nai hai toh krwana sahi nai tha. There's this constant conflict so I'm going to just observe and read all the povs these lovely people are sharing.

If SR does manage to show it decently maybe I'll catch up later but right now I'm not thinking about it..

Originally posted by: RamLakshman

The last three lines. That's exactly my pov too and this entire part triggers and gets me mad so I refrain from talking about it because I don't get it. So even I know I'll skip it because it's been years and despite reading different versions and folklores I've never been 100% convinced. Agar chhaya hai toh baaki Ramayan ka kya matlb and chhaya nai hai toh krwana sahi nai tha. There's this constant conflict so I'm going to just observe and read all the povs these lovely people are sharing.

If SR does manage to show it decently maybe I'll catch up later but right now I'm not thinking about it..

Dekho agar yeh chhaya part dikhayenge i will be convinced ki he had switched real sita and whole purpose bhi samaj aata hai. Let's go back to beginning. Text ek taraf but ram avtaar hua tha adharm ka nash and dharm ki sthapana. By that ravan and rakshas ka the end. Ab yeh Mahal mein baith ke toh nahi ho sakta na . So whole story starts from there that kaikeyi became the nimit or source for ramji to go to vanvas and ravan se saamna ho toh yeh situation hua. I can accept that

Chhaya sita part

But agar yeh nahi toh ramji ka faith on sita kyo doubtful zone mei Gaya and he had to again prove for his praja

Yeh confusion hai