Friends of Kansa! - Page 2

Some are friends of kasn, some are servant of kans like that asur who was not visible and bring cart to kill baby Lord krishna was servant of kans

And bakasur was friend of kans

And aghasur was brother of putna and bakasur

So lot of asur don't want to kill lord krishna not only because they are servant or friend of kans but they also want to kill Lord krishna as they want to avenge their siblings death who were killed by Lord krishna

And some of were minister of kans who use gave advise to kans

Originally posted by: RamKiSeeta

No it was a different Banasura. This guy was killed along with Kans and Chanoor.

Chanoor wasn't exactly Kansa's minister. He was more like a spy/bestie that Kans relied on, like Akrura was to Vasudev. But yes, he was also one of the wrestlers whom Krishna and Balarama fought, though it wasn't shown that way in the show. The other wrestler was Mushtika.

Actually, last night, I was watching the episode of Jarasandha planning his invasion of Mathura, and there, both Banasura and Bhamasura were shown amongst his allies. I thought that they had been killed along w/ Kansa.

Another thing - this serial seems to confuse Shalva - the ruler who tried to avenge Sishupala's death - w/ Shalya, the ruler of Madra and uncle of Nakul/Sahadev. If Pandu was a potential ally of Mathura courtesy Kunti*, as depicted in the serial, how would Shalya then be an enemy of Mathura, particularly since it would risk putting him in direct conflict w/ his brother-in-law Pandu? Shalya did fight a disguised Bhima at Draupadi's swayamvara, but left to his own devices, he didn't wish enmity w/ either the Yadavas nor the Pandavas.

Instead, the serial could have shown all of Jarasandha's known allies - Paundrak, Kashi-raj, Dantavatra, Shalva, Sishupala and Rukmi, instead of inserting imaginary allies like Bhamasura and Banasura.

Another thing: before sending Balarama and Krishna to gurukul, Vasudev mentioned that his sister was the rajmata of Avantika. Actually, given that time, wouldn't she have been the maharani itself of Avantika, since her sons - Vinda and Anuvinda - would have been Krishna's age and probably still be at their gurukul, wherever that was?

* If Kunti had been adopted out to Kuntibhoj and no longer belonged to Shurasena, why would she be the link of an alliance b/w Pandu and Shurasena? She'd be the link of an alliance b/w Pandu and Kuntibhoj instead, right?

Before kans death these are demons kill by Lord krishna and Lord balram

One who take little krishna along with his whirling

Bakasur

Aghasur

Pralambasur

Sudarshan

Shankhchood

Dhenukasur

Bull demon

Vyom

Keshi

Washer men

Killing all body guard by Lord balram and lord krishna after breaking of bow by Lord krishna

Killing wrestlers ( mushtik, chaanoor, kut,, tosal, sal) and rest wrestlers fled away

Mahavat ( one who control elephant )

Then after killing kans Lord krishna and balram killed eight brother of kans ( 8 brother of kans wanted to take revenge from krishna and balram)

Lord krishna killed commander daitya moor

Then Lord krishna killed all son of daitya moor as sons of daitya moor wanted to take revenge for his father death

Then Lord krishna killed narkasur( bhaumasur)

Then shishupal

Then lord krishna made killed jara sandh

Shalva

Killed that king who killed satrajit ( father of satyabhama)

Paundrak

There are some other who krishna about kill but leave on other of other request

Like he about to kill serpent kalia but on prayer of his two wives he leave him

He was about to kill rukmi but leave on request of ruknmini and Lord krishna just shave his head and cut his half mustache making rukmi ugly

Lord krishna did not killed banasur ( father of usha) usha who married to annirudh( son of pradyumn) because Lord krishna promise to prhlad that he will not kill any demon belong to prhlad dynasty

Since banasur belong to prhlad dynasty that is why Lord krishna didn't not kill banasur

However banasur patch up with Lord krishna and get his daughter usha married to anirudh

Regarding balram going to submerge whole hastinspur inside ganga

What samb abducted laxmana ( duryodhana daughter) then karn duryodhana attack samb but they are not able defeat samb as samb was powerful

Duryodhana karn using unfair means together attack samb and arrested him take him to hastinspur and take laxmana to hastinspur

When ugrsen heard about samb arrested they become angry and wanted to invade hastinspur

But balram is peace lover so he didn't not want to any quarrel so he stop yadavas invading hastinspur

Balram went to hastinspur and request kaurav to give samb and get married the laxmana as he don't want fight

But kaurav insult balram saying that Yadavas are depended on us . Yadavas are eating and enjoying that thing which we gave them and this way they insult balram

Balram laugh say if they didn't want peace they love fighting then let it be so

Then Lord balram struck hastinspur with plough and dragging whole hastinspur toward ganga in order to submerge into ganga

Kaurav get frightened and ask apologize to Lord balram

Balram forgive them and ask them not to fear

Then duryodhana get his daughter laxmana married to samb

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Another thing: before sending Balarama and Krishna to gurukul, Vasudev mentioned that his sister was the rajmata of Avantika. Actually, given that time, wouldn't she have been the maharani itself of Avantika, since her sons - Vinda and Anuvinda - would have been Krishna's age and probably still be at their gurukul, wherever that was?

* If Kunti had been adopted out to Kuntibhoj and no longer belonged to Shurasena, why would she be the link of an alliance b/w Pandu and Shurasena? She'd be the link of an alliance b/w Pandu and Kuntibhoj instead, right?

Vasudev was the youngest child of Shurasena and in those days people had children with wide age gaps due to there being so many, so it's possible his sister could have been the Rajmata of Avantika if she was a lot older than him. After all, Vasudev himself was "oldish" when Krishna and Balarama were born, due to the many years of imprisonment before the seventh and eighth pregnancies of Devaki.

Regarding Kunti, even though she was adopted by Kuntibhoja, her ties to Shurasena were never severed like in other cases of ancient adoptions. She was still considered his biological daughter, which is why people still referred to her as Pritha at times. Besides, Kuntibhoja was also a part of the Yadava clan. He was the head of the Bhoja faction, so it's not like Pritha stopped being a Yadava when she was adopted. She just shifted from being a Vrishni to being a Bhoja before marrying Pandu and becoming one of the Kurus. Also, Kuntibhoja and Shurasena were cousins, so it's highly probably Kunti still grew up around her biological siblings and parents and saw them frequently.

Kunti was mausi of vinda and anuvinda

Vinda and anuvinda was son of kunti's sister rajadhadevi just like shishupal was son of kunti's another sister

Originally posted by: RamKiSeeta

Vasudev was the youngest child of Shurasena and in those days people had children with wide age gaps due to there being so many, so it's possible his sister could have been the Rajmata of Avantika if she was a lot older than him. After all, Vasudev himself was "oldish" when Krishna and Balarama were born, due to the many years of imprisonment before the seventh and eighth pregnancies of Devaki.

Regarding Kunti, even though she was adopted by Kuntibhoja, her ties to Shurasena were never severed like in other cases of ancient adoptions. She was still considered his biological daughter, which is why people still referred to her as Pritha at times. Besides, Kuntibhoja was also a part of the Yadava clan. He was the head of the Bhoja faction, so it's not like Pritha stopped being a Yadava when she was adopted. She just shifted from being a Vrishni to being a Bhoja before marrying Pandu and becoming one of the Kurus. Also, Kuntibhoja and Shurasena were cousins, so it's highly probably Kunti still grew up around her biological siblings and parents and saw them frequently.

I think the same, they had interactions with each other in the childhood, and that's why I am confused as to why didn't Kunti try to free Vasudev and Devaki despite being the queen of one of the biggest kingdoms? I guess Hastinapur didn't want to get into bad books of Jarasangh.

Aside wanted your inputs on Lakshmana Samb marriage?? I think it was more of mutual consent between Duryodhan n Balram than a threat from Balram, because if you take it normally, then if Duryodhan could arrest Samb, he could have also killed him. Normally any father will kill the molester of his daughter if he gets an opportunity. I feel that he wanted some Yadav to approach him so that he could get Lakshmana married in a respectable way instead of her having a Rakahas Vivah

This duryodhana know how to point fingers at yadavas but himself forgot what wrong is done by him

https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/10/68/

Duryodhana get angry that his daughter was abducted but duryodhana himself keeping on eyes on draupdi and attracted to draupdi when draupdi was already wives of pandavas

Source shreemaddh bhagwat during rajsugya it is mentioned that duryodhana was attracted toward draupdi and this is also another reason of duryodhana jealousy and enimity toward pandavas when he saw happy relationship between pandavas and draupdi during rajsugya yagya

https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/10/75/

Polygamy, was not considered wrong at that time but keep eye on other woman ( which in Hindi we say par nari) consider as biggest sin at that time

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think the same, they had interactions with each other in the childhood, and that's why I am confused as to why didn't Kunti try to free Vasudev and Devaki despite being the queen of one of the biggest kingdoms? I guess Hastinapur didn't want to get into bad books of Jarasangh.

Queens on their own didn't have much power, unless they had the King's support. Besides, remember that Kunti and Pandu were in vanvaas when Vasudev and Devaki were imprisoned. They had already given up the throne, so neither of them had much power to oppose Jarasandh of all people. As for Dhritarashtra, who was the regent King then of Hastinapur, we all know how much of a chicken he was. 😆 I wouldn't even expect him to give support to the Yadavas.

But it's interesting you mention this, because the Yadavas do ask for Hastinapur's help to fight Jarasandh later. SK covers this during the Jarasandh track, and Dhritarashtra actually refuses them.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Another question: I always thought of Chanoor as one of Kansa's prized wrestlers: was he Kansa's prime minister as well, as shown in the serial?

RS addresses this pretty cleverly in a flashback during the Kans-Asti-Prapti wedding track, when Banasur is trying to hype up Kans as a potential son-in-law and ally to Jarasandh. He tells him that "Chanur--the famous wrestler who even you couldn't defeat--was bested by Kans and brought to Mathura in chains" and then that clip is shown @ 8:42 below (interestingly, with the first Chanoor--none other than the late Shyamsundar Kalani, RSR's Sugreev, who didn't continue the role when the filming moved from Umargaon to Baroda and then it became Shahnawaz Pradhan's 4th role in the show 😆). I think it was an interesting choice to expand Chanoor's role this way with this particular origin story, as it supports the inference that all of these "friends of Kans" (brownie points for using the title of the thread in my post 🤓) were opportunists who sweet-talked/advised him for their own material gain to overcome circumstances like having been his defeated captives. Lots of interesting backstory potential there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqr0YY15aAI&t=8m42s