the story of Narakashura and a different insight

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I hope you will read this and will give me your precious opinions!


do you think the ten avatarm or ten incarnations of vishnudev told in poorans is absolute and ordered chronologically? and more importantly the story of varah and bhu devi is related to the story of narakashura according to bhagabata pooran, and thus it is somehow related with the story of krishna's so called 16000 wives , all of whose are told to be the daughters of narak!

according to poorans the story of narakasura goes in the way-----

once narakasura became very powerful due to boons from mahadev and later on brahma ji. he managed to overpower devas and snatched the ear-ring of devmata aditi and brought it to his kingdom, pragyotish (present kamarupa). devraj could not make a way to bring it back and he along with devas went to dwarika (an island state where krishna and other yadavs resided) and complained of him to Krishna! Lord krishna decided to do something to preserve the honor of the devas and he attacked naraka's kingdom along with his wife satyabhaama. with the help of his wife, krishna was successful in killing the demon and recover the jewelry when the earth Goddess appeared before him and returned it to him. The earth Goddess told him that when he took the form of Varah to lift the world above the water(!) with its horn, then with his touch the bhoomi became pregnant and gave birth to Naraka(!).

this was the story so far according to vagabata. but there is something more horrible in brahmabaibart puran. it says

krishna conquered pragyotish and captured all the women of the kingdom. he took all the daughters of naraka, 16000 written. and married them when he took all of them somewhere underground.
now from vishnu puran
It has been also written that krishna was in underground for one hundred and twenty five years! and it has also been told that from these women, krishna got 180000 sons altogether!!!!!!


Now I have some serious arguments to accept the existance of naraka and that hell of 16000 wives of krishna--

1. according to mahabharata, during the time of krishna naraka was not the king of pragyotish. Vagadutta was the king of pragyotish who was killed by arjuna on the epic battle; so how does it become possible that naraka even could have existed on the same empire
2. now in veda it has been mentioned that prajapati took the form of varaha to save the cosmos, not vishu; then the entire story of naraka and bishnu's varaha avatara becomes questionable.
3. now the existence of 16000 daugthers of naraka seems to be impossible if considered the human birth cycle and the same for krishna's 180000 sons from those wives because with this if considered true then we have to accept that krishna had the birth of 4 sons each and everyday!!!! seems father of all logics!!

thus i don't think the story of ten incarnations are some mismatches in them, somewhere the logic combining them seems to be self contradictory!

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I don't know much...but if ur stories of narakashura are true then it seems very confusing...i have to research to get some satisfactory conclusion
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Legends behind Narak Chaturdasi

Birth of Narakasura

Lord Vishnu in his incarnation as Varaha a boar rescued Mother Earth, Bhoomidevi from the demon Hiranyaksha and killed him. Born from Varaha and Bhoomidevi was Narakasura, who had invincible powers at his command.

Invasion of the three worlds

Narakasura was the king of Pragjothispura (a province to the south of Nepal). He was very powerful and demoniac in nature. He invaded the three worlds and took 16000 women in captivity. He took pleasure in inflicting torture to the beings of the three worlds through constant raiding and plunders. He imprisoned sages and devas too.

He attacked the heavens ruled by Indra to seize thousands of divine elephants in his army. He seized the glittering earrings of Mother Aditi Mother of all the Devas. Mother Aditi was the ruler of Suraloka and a relative of Sathyabama.

Lord Indra's seeks refuge in Krishna

Narakasura mercilessly killed the devas and being unable to bear the torture and shame inflicted by Narakasura, Indra sought the help of Krishna, to avenge his defeat.

Krishna and Sathyabama

Krishna with his wife Sathyabama (Bhoomidevi reborn) was enraged to hear the atrocities committed by Narakasura. Mother Earth or Bhoomidevi was reborn as Sathyabama in Dwaparayuga. She vowed to fight him to rescue the women in captivity, to secure the confiscated earrings of Mother Aditi and to relieve the Gods and sages held captive by the cruel asura.

Krishna fights Narakasura

Narakasura was under the spell of a curse to meet his death at the hands of a woman. All knowing Krishna took Sathyabama along with him to fight the battle with Narakasura on his mount Garuda. Krishna was the charioteer to Sathyabama in the fierce battle that ensued between Krishna and Narakasura.

Defeat of Mura

Narakasura's fort was impenetrable with a barrier of magical mountains. Unperturbed Krishna used his mace to destroy the mountains and headed to defeat him. The fortress was guarded by the five headed demon, Mura who attacked Krishna and his troops with countless weapons. All powerful Krishna defeated and killed Mura by hurling his chakra or discus, to gain entry into the fortress and hence he is called,Murari. It is believed that just by hearing and reading this divine story of Krishna of killing Mura, would help destroy all our problems by the power of his compassion and mercy.

Killing of Narakasura

In the war that followed, Sathyabama killed Narakasura as ordained by the divine will. She was the mother of Narakasura in the previous incarnation and destined to put an end to his life. However, some scriptures say that Krishna used his discus to kill Narakasura.

On the day of Narak Chaturdasi, Krishna returned to his palace and had a bath to cleanse himself of the blood stains and the sin of slaying the demon. Since then it has become the practice to take bath with scented oil before sunrise.

Mother Earth's Oath

Mother Earth or Bhoomidevi declared that the death of her son should be rejoiced as it is victory over evil. Narakasura before his last breath prayed to the mother that people should celebrate his death by lighting lamps all over and bursting firecrackers to rejoice the occasion. He repented for his innumerable sins committed against innocent people due to his dark ignorance.

Celebration of the death of the demon

Mother Bhoomidevi sang in praise of Krishna. Gods from heaven showered flowers and sang in glory of him. Devas and sages held in captivity were released. Mother Aditi's earrings were restored to her. The kingdom was brought under the control of Narakasura's son, Bhagdatta who pleaded for Krishna's protection. The 16000 damsels were set free. Everybody rejoiced the death of Narakasura. People rejoiced all over the country.

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According to the Dubi copper plate of Bhaskarvarmana, Sthitavarman, the Varmana king of
ancient Kamrup built a new capital city on the bank of the river Brahmaputra (Dubi Copper
Plate v. 37). It suggested that the said city was nothing but an extension of Pragjyotishpur.
Gachtal Copper Plate (Gachtal Copper Plate v.8) of Gopala, the Pala king of ancient Kamrupa
speaks, "he (Naraka) had a capital city named Pragjyotisha which could vie with the city of gods,
whose high ramparts were touched by the waves of eastern sea. Here eastern sea is meant for
the Brahmaputra. The Uttarbarbil Copper Plate and Nowgong Copper Plate of Balavarman of the
Salastambha dynasty of ancient Kamrup speak that Pragjyotishpur was situated in Kamrup
kingdom. It is also referred to as the Lauhitya Sindhu in the Bargaon Copper Plate of Ratnapala,
the Pala King. Almost all the inscriptions of ancient Kamrup till the c. 12th AD speak about
many sides of Pragjyotishpur as capital city (Goswami, 2007)
The ancient name of the present Guwahati was Pragjyotishpur and the state of which it was the
capital was known as Pragjyotisha, a frontier kingdom of India. The name of the kingdom was
changed to Kamrupa much before the seventh century. Bordoloi (1986) observes that the name
Kamrupa indicate an association with Tantricism. "The extremely ascetic way of attaining
moksha by the Saivaites merging with Shaktaism seems to be symbolically combined in this tale.
Kama or sexual desire found found rupa or embodiment here; hence Kamrupa.
However, in the early inscriptions the reference of the name Pragjyotishpura could be found till
twelfth-thirteenth centuries. The meaning of the name has been explained from various
standpoints which throw light on the origin of the city and its state of affairs.
From the ethnological point of view, the people called chao Theius of China, who came to India,
came to be known as Zuthis and occupied three important centres; the branch that came to
Assam was called Prag Zuthis which was subsequently changed into Pragjyotishpur.
The Etymological explanation given by Kakati (1948) refers to the topography of the region.
According to him the name Pragjyotishpur was derived from an Austric phrase: Pagar, juh (jo)
tic (ch) meaning a region of extensive hills. This non-Aryan formation was later on Arynised as
Pragjyotishpur. Chowdhury (1987) also considers regard that the name appears to be a
sanskritization of some non-Aryan formation.
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The traces of the religious origin of the name can be found in the Kalika Purana and
Markandeya Puranan. From the references of such Pouranic literature it can be assumed that it
was the centre of solar cult and planetary worship. The city as an ancient astrological centre has
been recognized by many historians. Gait (1905) states- "Prag means former or eastern, and
Jyotisha, a star, astrology, shining. Pragjyotishpur may therefore, be taken to mean the city of
Eastern Astrology. Even today in the "Navagraha the temple of nine planets, situated in the
city where the study of astrology is very popular.
Despite such variations in the interpretation of the name, its political status as a capital city has
been recognized by all eminent historians. The epics and the Puranas reveal its political history
with a specific reference to its contact with the Aryan India. The name of Naraka as political
reader is widely associated with its growth. According to Kalika Purana- "A Mlechcha King
named Naraka was born of the alliance between Varaha and Prithivi; Janaka, the king of Videha,
brought him up. At the age of sixteen Naraka came to the city of Pragjyotish which was then
peopled by the uncivilized Kiratas... Ghataka was their chief. Naraka defeated him in a battle...
then established himself at Pragjyotisha, and founded his capital and began to rule over the
country. He brought over here many Brahmanas and of other high castes. But in the later period
when Naraka shed off his Brahmanic influence and was inspired by Asuras, an Aryan prince
came and defeated him and installed his son Bhagadatta on the throne of the country.In the ancient city of Pragjyotishpura, king Bhagadatta fought against the Pandavas in the Mahabharata war
(Bhattacharyya, 1981).

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4.1.1 Guwahati in the Pre-historic Period
There appears to be no direct reference in the epics as to the capital of Pragjyotisha, but
from the Kalika Purana (Ch. XXXVI-XL) describes that Narayana when desired by his consort,
the Earth, appeared presently before her and her son Naraka (then in his sixteenth year),
immersed with them in the Ganges and came to where Kamakhya was located, in
Pragjyotishapura. There Narayana got Ghataka, the Kirata king killed by Naraka, who in turn
was crowned as king of Pragjyotisha. Thus it appears that modern Gauhati was the capital of
Naraka being known as Pragjyotishpura. The name of Naraka is still associated with a village
long known as Narakasur Gaon surrounded with a mountain range, similarly known as
Narakasur Parvat, surrounding the site of three sides, giving an idea of a natural fortress not far
from the town of Gauhati. Also a stone path from the foot of the Nilachala leading to the Temple
of Kamakhya at its top is called Narakasura path. It is connected with the legend still in vogue in Assam that naraka constructed this path overnight in order to marry goddess kamakhya but was later deceived by her.
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In another source I found,
Bhagadatta was the mythological son of Naraka, king of the Pragjyotisha Kingdom and second in line of kings of Naraka dynasty. He was succeeded by his son Vajradatta. He sided with kauravas in the Mahabharata war as the result of his defeat to Karna during digvijaya.

The Aswamedha Parva of Mahabharata (after kurukshetra war) gives account of Vajradatta.[2] He was not able to accompany his father Bhagadatta in Mahabharata war, as he was child then.[3]King Yudhishthira organised Aswadeha Parva, and Arjuna was appointed as guard of the Aswamedha horse. Horse after traversing different countries reached east to Pragjyotisha, then ruled by the Vajradatta. Vajradatta made an attempt to hold the horse to avenge his fathers humiliation in Mahabharata war in hands of Arjuna. He was defeated by Arjuna, after a prolong battle.

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1.From varaha and bhoomi devi, naraka was born
2.Naraka became king of pragjyotisha after defeating ghataka
3. Bhoomi devi took birth as sathyabama.Indra sought help from krishna, leading to the prophesy...
4.Narakasura was under the spell of a curse to meet his death at the hands of a woman. All knowing Krishna took Sathyabama along with him to fight the battle.
4.Bhagadutta must have defeated naraka nearly same period and then naraka was killed later, I guess😕...
5.later bhagadutta joined kauravas and was killed by arjun.his son vajradutta became king afterwards.
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Lastly , the supernatural element of sons of krishna was allegorical...sometimes to keep something secret writer makes the content allegorical
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Originally posted by: sanghita0000

1.From varaha and bhoomi devi, naraka was born

2.Naraka became king of pragjyotisha after defeating ghataka
3. Bhoomi devi took birth as sathyabama.Indra sought help from krishna, leading to the prophesy...
4.Narakasura was under the spell of a curse to meet his death at the hands of a woman. All knowing Krishna took Sathyabama along with him to fight the battle.
4.Bhagadutta must have defeated naraka nearly same period and then naraka was killed later, I guess😕...
5.later bhagadutta joined kauravas and was killed by arjun.his son vajradutta became king afterwards.



now no 1 does not solve the confusing matter as in veda, it has been told that projapati took the form of varaha to save the world; then how does the varah avatar of vishnu hold?
again if we consider narak to be born with varaha and bhoomi devi , it is the story of satya yuga; the killing of naraka took place in dwapar yuga; then narak lived for at least two whole yugas???
some things about mythologies are so confusing! people are taking births and rebirths as infinite forms; its very difficult to keep them on tracks! and so many stories to link the persons is various ways!
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