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Posted: 14 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: nnisha007

Is slapping ok when u love someone, especially in the case of rudra and pihu? Slapping here expresses ur frustration not able to control him/her and when u use this type of physical violence, it is just to convey to ur partner that u want him/her to stop and listen?
What are your opinions?
Nisha



I have another question.....which I asked earlier in this discussion as well....what of parents slapping their children??? Is that equivalent in this discussion as well?? Should that be termed as 'abuse' as well?? Getting one tight slap from your parents when you misbehave?? I guess it all depends on how 'violence' is defined....and that can vary from person to person....just because one person does not have the personality trait of not raising their hand in anger, does not make a person who may slap someone once in anger as some kind of out of control psycopath who deserves to rejected and shunned. Yes it shows that person as weak and unable to control their emotions....but why is such a person automatically demonized?? Equated to abusive/violent husbands?? I personally do not see how slapping someone is equal to abuse....it's not like he was dragging her by the hair and slapping her around all over the place....it was one impulsive action which happened in the heat of the moment....

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Posted: 14 years ago
#52
We all know why he slapped her; he is man with low self worth and a big ego who could not handle is girlfriend saying things about him. Instead of using words he had to show his brutishness and slap her.


Alright....if you say so, then obviously we all "know" it....Rudra is a brute, a psycho, a sadist and he deserves to be thrown in jail for slapping Pihu once. Even better, he should straightaway be given the death penalty....he has no right to live after slapping Pihu.

You're clearly really upset with this comment and completely miss the point. A man who slaps a woman does NOT have to be a psycho or a sadist and he does not need to go to jail etc. If THIS is what appeals to you in a partner, one that is upset enough to slap you with a comment that you make, then you should think twice about it.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: nureat01

Have you ever seen the Ashwariya Rai film "PROVOKED" ???? When men abuse women they use the SAME excuse - she said something that made me do it. Abuse does not have to consist of "beating a woman black and blue." Have you heard of emotional and verbal abuse? Pihu was not abusing her husband, she was acting as a spoilt brat and she was mean, but THAT did not give Rudra the right to slap her. A guy who has SELF-WORTH and CONFIDENCE and does not believen in raising his hand at a woman, does not slap her.



Yes I have seen the movie Provoked and if you think that Rudra slapping Pihu in this case is equivalent to what was shown of Aishwarya's husband beating her up in the movie, then I don't think there is much point to me saying anything more in this discussion. You clearly have not understood my point....if you want to continue to make this out to be some case of "extreme domestic violence", then by all means carry on. I have nothing more to say.
My dear IT's abuse and to use the term, provoked as an excuse is wrong. Cases of domestic violence don't start off with someone beating someone black and blue. It starts with slapping a woman. Are you saying that we should ignore incidents of when a man slaps a woman and even more so if the woman apparently "PROVOKES" it?
Edited by Laila2009 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Laila2009

You're clearly really upset with this comment and completely miss the point. A man who slaps a woman does NOT have to be a psycho or a sadist and he does not need to go to jail etc. If THIS is what appeals to you in a partner, one that is upset enough to slap you with a comment that you make, then you should think twice about it.



LOL I'm the one missing the point??😆.....I love how you are completely overlooking what Pihu was doing....she didn't just make ONE comment....she continued to jibe at him over and over again....you refuse to look at the emotions of the moment....the build up that was happening....

Anyways you yourself refuse to consider anything beyond the fact that he slapped her, that's the end of the story for you. So I think you actually are the one who is so upset with the slap that you refuse to look at the situation as a whole.




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Posted: 14 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: nureat01

I don't personally think it's such a black and white issue as in he slapped her, so end of story....now we should all hate him.

I'm not justifying the slap....it was obviously wrong of him to do so but it was a situation that was building up with Pihu's incessant provoking....the things she was saying weren't right either....twisted "sense of humor" that she has so he ultimately retaliated...he did try words before it all led to the slap.

Everyone can have their own opinions but I honestly don't subscribe to the view that showing a person slapping someone once starts being equated to "extreme violence" or "domestic violence" etc. There is a difference b/w the way Rudra slapped her and typical "violence"....I can easily see the situation reversing and Pihu slapping him for saying something she didn't like either....they are both flawed characters.

And btw ppl are human, not everyone can have the perfect reaction to being provoked....one slap is not equal to a woman being beaten black and blue or punched in the face by abusive husbands. By that logic, many of us must have been slapped by our parents atleast once while growing up.....does that mean that they are equally "violent"??

@bold:I wholly agree that it doesn't necessarily mean he's ZOMG!evil -- he has flaws, which IMO, makes him a more complex character. One action clearly isn't all their is to his character; however, it does factor in when you analyze his character. That he is capable of striking out to frustrating enviornmental stimuli -- well, that speaks of some instability issues (unchecked temper, having a low threshold for what others are saying, etc) he needs to take care of.
@italics:I'm not quite sure I agree with you about the provocation part (or maybe it's the word "provoke") -- I think she was annoying him more than provoking him. What really didn't gel with me about her character was how hostile she seemed to be when breaking things off with him. I can understand the lashing out part after the humiliating experience but even by those standards, their entire relationship struck me as really unhealthy. She did try to make him feel bad about himself, and made callous remarks about how no one else loved/could ever love him.
@red: No, it doesn't but it more often than not starts there. Obviously, not saying that applies to Rudra but more of a general comment. And I can't say for everyone but I feel hitting people is wrong -- and yes, children count as people. IMO, in many cases being spanked by parents is violent conduct because it is a case of impulsive aggression. So many parents usually spank children because they were inconvenienced (shaken baby syndrome, anyone?) not particularly because of the bad behaviour. That IS violent. However, if it isn't impulsive aggression but a reasoned punishment or proactive instrumented aggression (like a smack on the behind for stealing neighbour's cat so that she doesn't do it again) with an explanation following the punishment, then that wouldn't be violent.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#56
By that logic, many of us must have been slapped by our parents atleast once while growing up.....does that mean that they are equally "violent"??

I think we've met before .. allow me, if you would be so kind, to respond ..

The answer is so simple, it actually is monosyllabic (and I am usually wont to be .. oh .. what was it that one of you said? 'Pedantically grandiloquent'? Yes .. by jove, that was it!!) ..


So, without further ado, my answer is: 'Yes'!

Hell!! That wasn't very satisfying ..

'Equally violent'?! I wonder if grades and shades of violence have been painstakingly quantified and cataloged .. if so, I would like to be educated about these 'finer points' .. granted the 'end-effect' is a function of the force/frequency with which 'slaps' are administered, but, a slap by any other name is still a slap and by definition 'violent' (as Laila and I have both pointed out that all acts of 'extreme' violence begin somewhere).

For a parent to slap a child (even once) is always egregious because - s
trictly, not figuratively speaking - he/she is 'picking' on someone not their own size .. you question if this would be characterized as 'domestic violence' (I think I may have been the first to use that term in this discussion & I believe you also state that it is incorrect to consider the portrayal of the act in this serial - which I have not, nor intend to watch - as such). The answer to that is fairly simple as well .. 'Yes' .. a parent or a spouse is usually a domestic entity, a slap is an act of violence .. if you concatenate the two, I think you will see it comes out as 'domestic violence' ..

Now .. is it human behavior? The answer to that is 'Yes' ..
do we all come equipped with it? We don't know the definitive answer to that .. should we all be at liberty to exercise it? The answer to that is 'No' .. Should we all strive to suppress it? The answer to that is 'Yes' .. should it never be shown on TV? The answer to that is 'No' .. could TV serve as a medium to change social mores? The answer to that is 'Yes' .. Will it always succeed? The answer to that is 'No' .. should we then stop trying? The answer to that is 'No' .. should we stop our condemnation? The answer to that is 'No' .. was such condemnation shown in the offending episode of this serial?.

The answer to that is 'it's for YOU its viewers to know .. and me to find out'

So .. someone .. please enlighten me ..
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Posted: 14 years ago
#57
You are so right. Under NO circumstances should violence be tolerated. The way we take it as an accepted norm (especially the females) is pathetic.
And to think that the creatives are women.....
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Posted: 14 years ago
#58
I was very disappointed when Rudra slapped Pihu bt i still think it was Pihu's fault.....the way she was talkign abt Abhay........got Rudra super mad.......and.....When a person is not in his senses.......this happens......!!

When Pihu knew that Rudra doesnt like it and he gets tooo angry.......she still continued talking and nt only did she taljk....she was also laughing constantly!!!!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
#59
Okay first of all, I get your point. I'm a feminist, If a guy, be it my husband, boyfriend or father or whoever the hell slapped me without a correct reason to do so. I would definitely not take it.

But in this case, You HAVE to see both points of view. like nureat01 said, this is not a BLACK and WHITE issue. You need to understand correctly, Because you can't just go around pointing and calling every guy or even a girl who might have slapped a girl/guy once in his/her life a psycho.

I'm not trying to defend Rudra or anything, I don't even care that much about the guy. But what he did was wrong, One thing a guy SHOULD always know is to never raise a hand against a woman. It's just disgraceful and vulgar and just... ugh.
But another thing everyone should know is not to push people, Men and Women both should know when to shut up. You should never go over the limit, if your joking or whatever the hell it is Pihu was trying to do. She should have known better than to keep on pushing his buttons.

But on the other side, it's a good thing she saw already how it might be because their relationship would have NEVER worked out if she would be as spoiled and immature as him. A relationship will never work if both parties are immature and have not a clue about how to behave with their partner, atleast one person has to be the mature one.
And also, it also showed her that he won't be able to control his anger much if they ever come to a situation where his anger is pushed to the limit.

I'm not saying it was a good thing that Rudra slapped her, He should have controlled his anger better and Pihu should have not pushed him so much. It's common knowledge between all not to purposely anger another person, it's just shows how immature you truly are and how big a idiot you are as well. It's like those classmates you had back in school, Onces who just love annoying other people because they get some sort of sick pleasure in hurting or getting a reaction out of you but then when you react, they don't like it. But this doesn't FULLY apply to Rudra and Pihu's situation but still, Just saying, I'm pretty sure if the positions were reversed then Pihu would have have DEFINITELY slapped Rudra.

It's no use arguing about this SO much, I would have FULLY agreed with you had he slapped like one or two times for no good reason like those typical male hero's in TV. I'm not justifying him or anything like that, I think it was right for Pihu to not marry him. I mean if she doesn't think she could be able to handle him correctly then better to marry someone she knows she could be with. But her way of humiliating him in front of EVERYONE and those words about how no one loves him and stuff was wrong.
Rudra was just as much as fault as her, maybe even a bit more for not controlling his anger. No matter what, Jealousy is not a good reason to slap a woman.
He is still isn't mature. In Rudra's case, He still hasn't learned how to control himself. He needs work on that a lot A LOT. Because if he raises his hand again for no reason then I would DEFINITELY bash him.


But if you think of it, One point of another in our lives we feel the need to want to hit back, no matter if your a peace-loving person or whatever. If someone pushes to your limit, then you will feel the need to let it out. Be it with a brother, or, a friend, or anyone... you would at some point want have wanted to hit a person. But doesn't mean your right, if you have no good reason then you don't have the right at all to raise your hand.
Were all humans in the end, all of us have anger in us. Some know better than to let it out and some are still learning how to control their anger and then there are those who LOVE to let it out and watch others suffer in front of them. Now those are the people who need to be called Psychotic and Crazy and Abusive or whatever word you want to use.

So in end, Both of them are at fault. Rudra and Pihu. Their ego's are too big to be fit into one room.

They just need to be thrown back in school, because these two still have not learned a thing.


P.S: This might not be the correct forum to start this topic, I would have think that Pratigya or Bairi Piya or Uttaran (The crazy Vansh) or even Twilight would be the MOST perfect forum to put opinions forward because there, abusive, psychotic, dominant, possessive and rough men are JUST SO HAWT! 🤢

P.S.S: This is ONLY my opinion which I'm putting forward.
Edited by Rin03 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#60
my take on the parents thing
when parents slap their children its usually for big mistakes to make them understand something for future, they have an authority over children and its ok for them to slap as long as its for the right reasons mostly so thye never go/do wrong in life.
i dont think a husband should have that authority to slap nor a wife.
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