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Posted: 15 years ago
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Because first of all, if you remember Sweta cant take shocks, if she did just suddenly reappear what will happen to her she'll probably get sick again. Even though her moms back, what if she starts hating saloni because she was gone all these years. What would Saloni say to her "Oh I was in Jail for murder" I doubt she would take that so well. And not to mention shes not allowed back, she cant step foot into that house, they will probably kick her out again (and I dont want to see that with Saloni) even though Saloni has a right to that house, but again her character is to make her family happy no matter what it takes...remember that one time when she started acting like the antagonist because she wanted to get Tara's baby back. She made everyone hate her so that she can do whats good for the whole entire family. Then why wouldnt she agree to stay away from everyone? Saloni's character sees bhabo as a mother who she does anything to please, I do agree that Bhabo has become cruel, but if you put yourself in her shoes you'll see that shes not an evil character, just a moarning mother, whose angry because the daughter in law she loved so much lied to her about her sons death. Bhabo is just really angry, but once she figures out how much Saloni had to suffer she will love her again. and bhabo has always been with Saloni no matter what, and the one time shes not its because of something huge has effected her

"inspite of showing Saloni as a fighter outside the home she was shown as a coward in her own home . She broke bounds and entered temple with low caste woman , but she had no guts to enter the Singh mansion saying Ill see who stops me from meetimg my daughters "
-->and that part I do agree with you that she can help others but not herself, I think it makes her a hypocrite. But that is her character. Im not saying that Im against Saloni taking whats rightfully hers I do agree with her but your only seeing one side. Try putting yourself in Bhabos shoes, or rethink Salonis character. They are just living up to whats normal for their lives. (haha Im saying it as if they were real)
"Just like Saloni made mistake by hiding Nahar's illness from the family , even this ..........allowing her daughters to feel she had died , was a big mistake . The fact that it wud have affected Shweta adversely is all rubbish . If Shweta could handle that she was dead and still survive , she could very well handle the fact that she was alive . "
--> of course shweta survived that, but remember they said that she refused to believe that Saloni died. and Maybe over time she did come to terms with that since she noticed its been so many years but her mother isnt back, or maybe she still believes that her mother is alive (Im not sure since I didnt really watch after Saloni left)
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Posted: 15 years ago
#12
Ray .....First of all thanks a lot dear for bothering to argue with me [ I needed it , Im so stressed out nowadays , bahut maja aaya really . Thanks much dear .].............but I beg to differ still .😆
1]Shweta can't take shocks , u say . Do u remember the time Bhabho made a stony face when she was told that the news of Saloni's fake death may affect Shweta adversely , and commented that Well , too bad , Shweta will just have to handle it ? This gal was constantly doing Mummy Mummy in hospital ..............yet Bhabho didnt give a damn about her weak heart and didnt allow Saloni to meet her ............and later didn't hesitate to spread false news of Saloni's death when she was very much alive . Inspite of Saloni's parents being still alive this old woman does this.........why ? Her anger was predominant even above a child's health .
And Shweta survived that . Death is more hard to handle than news of a person being alive . If that she survived , news that mom is alive is perfectly bearable .
2] Why wud Shweta hate Saloni for being gone ? Her hate wud turn towards [ rightfuly ] against Bhabho for lying for so many years . Is Jiji's history unknown in the family ? What is this big ' murderer ' tag ? Saloni didnt murder an innocent ..............Jiji was a notorious criminal . Even if Saloni did really murder Jiji why wud her daughters swoon of shock ? Frankly , it was hi time that pest Jiji was eliminated .
3] U said they wud kick her out again..............only coz Saloni gives them the power to do so by choosing not to exercise her legal power . U see , once Nahar dies , the rest of the family has no legal right over Saloni's kids .............even from jail she can direct the court that keep the kids with my parents , not Bhabho and Tara ..............or with Mannobhabhi as the guardian [ a better option as Kaveri wud humiliate them .] Also the court wud take half of business assets and hold it in trust till Shweta and Sawri wud come of age , so they wudnt ever be financially deprived . So u see my dear , it is exactly the other way around ..............Saloni can toss Bhabho out of her kids life , not Bhabho ! And his fight was never shown , coz of ' love for Bhabho ' .
4] This ' love for family thing " . Family is a very big concept , and Bhabho and Tara r not the only family members . Helpless kids like Sawri Shweta too r family and in a crisis like this . Bhabho Tara cud get angry , simmer down and take care of themselves , they didnt need Saloni , but the two raw little kids ........one who was having pychological problems and the other who had been deprived of a mother since birth sure did need Saloni much more ! If Saloni's fight for the truth has been glorified in this serial , it must be noted that Truth is often bitter and when it is bitter the fight is the toughest . So telling kids ' Yes I was in jail for murder ' was gonna be toughest fight of her life , and she evaded it and hid face like , [ pardon me Saloni fans ] a coward . She took easy way out ............of hiding instead of facing problems . See how confidenly Jiji crossed the Singh family threshold hundred times although they tried to kick her out and showed them their place . Saloni cudnt do it even for a rightful cause .
4] Bhabho's anger on her is justified as Bhabho loved Nahar deeply and she lied for many years about Nahar . In this I do not support Saloni . But when children r involved , these isues become trivial . Saloni cud respectfully take the stand that Yes Bhabho u be angry with me all ur life , I wont blame u , but I am sorry , I must be with my children , I have to answer God . All said and done , dear old Bhabho , sweet or bitter , justified or unjustified , who was Saloni's favorite , had lived her life but the life of these two children was just beginning . What if Bhabho had suddenly died of heart attack [ she was old after all ] , and Tara never was fit to be a rational mom { that saloni had seen how obsessed she was with Adi ] ........how cud Saloni leave her babies just like that ?
5] Biggest crime of all was not bothering ever about sawri and expecting her to sacrifice . Honestly , nothing excuses this .
But I agree with u on only one point .............that Bhabho , inspite of the mistakes she made is not evil , just very very angry . Nevertheless , the elders in the Mahabharata war were not evil too , but it still was fought as they did a wrong thing . And hence I am disappointed with this serial ........they shud have shown that for years after fighting outside , Saloni takes up cudgels to fight within her own home too , her biggest fight , and yes , wins it too !😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
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hey, koolsadhu (by the way I think your user name is too cool lol), Im glad to here that I provided a little de-stressing in your life and no problem. but first I would just like to clear up That I completely agree with you all the way about Saloni standing up for her rights. But I think that youve gotten the idea that I am saying that Saloni should be a coward and stand back...but all Im trying to say is that that is who she is in her character nice, sweet, and willing to sacrifice everything for her family (even her family). And the writers arent going to make such a drastic change in Saloni after all these years because then it would be just weird to the audience (and who knows Saloni may start standing up for her rights, right? I mean theyve only showed her reappearence, so why not?) And now to answer the 5 points:

1) (by the way Im kinda unfamiliar with this since I stoped watching after Saloni went to Jail but whatever I learnt from skimming through the written updates is all I know and so no I dont remember that part with bhabo) I do agree that Bhabo was a very cruel when it came to Sweta and her idea of making Sweta suck it up was even more mean when she could of died because of it. But I do recall reading that she didnt believe that Saloni had died and like I said in my previous post:

"of course shweta survived that, but remember they said that she refused to believe that Saloni died. and Maybe over time she did come to terms with that since she noticed its been so many years but her mother isnt back, or maybe she still believes that her mother is alive (Im not sure since I didnt really watch after Saloni left)"

2)Sweta would hate Saloni for being gone because even tho her mom was alive she never could meet her. Her mom didnt even bother to fight for her right to be with her daughter, what does that show? And I do agree that she should hate bhabo for lying to all those years, but what if sweta doesnt know that bhabo said did that on purpose? (who knows where this story will end up)...Even tho Jiji was evil, Saloni was still charged with murder (even tho it was an accident) that is still the charge that was made on her, she has a criminal record. And innocent or not (good or evil) no one has a right to take someone elses life because humans aren't God. And Jiji did realize she did stupid things and asked for redemption, and Saloni did forgive her. And even tho the whole family knows about Jiji the children were to young to know about it so they would be shocked (and I agree with Jiji finally being eliminated, if you ask me her track was going on for way to long)

3)And yes I did say that they would kick her out again and IT IS because Saloni gives them the power. But again that is because Saloni is just being who she is as her character. She doesnt go all "Its my right so whether you like it or not Im going to take whats rightfully mine (did you notice that women who do do that are seen to be evil characters, I find that so stupid)

4) Yes the truth is bitter, but Saloni is not going to fight against people she loves so much...First, she doesnt want to be rejected by the family even more she wants to be accepted back. Second its harder to fight against people you love more than yourself. And ya telling the truth would be hard but you dont know if this is her way of going back to her family or is it really her own cowardess act. She could be planning all this, afterr all she just stepped back into Saath phere again she didnt say anything about well she hasnt really said anything yet. And the issue with Bhabo, again Saloni could but she will not because she is to soft, she believes in making her family happy even tho that means cutting herself away from her daughters

5)About Sawri I do agree that her mother should have gone to her first especially because Sawri knows the whole truth, but we dont know maybe Saloni met Sawri in secret or maybe she went to go see Sawri without Sawri even knowing...we still need to see a few more episodes before we can fully understand this

by the way I loved your passion for womens rights it was amazing.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ray ........
Our argument is somewhat like this :
You are saying that this type of return of Saloni is very much in keeping with her character and the writers will not and cannot change her character drastically at this stage .
I am saying that with all the suffering they showed in Saloni's fate , especially the last part of being put in jail due to her sasuraal people , the breaking away from the daughters etc, they shud have shown ' sweet Saloni ' snapping and toughening .........the mother in her taking precedence after revieweing how ungrateful her sasural people had been .
What ur saying is practical ...........what I am saying is what should have been . Coz in this serial , all the bad people have gone scot free . Kaveri , Tara , had a grand time living with their husbands and children whereas Saloni suffered and so did her children .
The drastic change that u say , had they brought it , people wud not have minded it , they wud have liked it . Tara , Kaveri did so many evil things and went scot free [ now what r they gonna be punished in just one week ?]. If u note , after Nahar died , many people turned away from ' sweet caring Saloni ' .
Three things in this show shud have been changed after the leap :
1] That evil is not just fought outside the house but also within it .
2] That Dark gals have identity of their own and r not just bodyguards of fair women [ Tara and Shweta ]
3] Asserting your God Given right is no crime . Being sweet and caring doesn't mean destroying yourself to this extent .........people watching these shows r not demi gods from heaven or Indra's swarga Loka , but human beings made of flesh and blood , and they get irritated with too much dose of mahaan behaviour as it is unreal . Too much sugar in tea spoils the tea .
On all 3 accounts SP failed to deliver . Viewers like me had expectations from this show as they addressed the issue of fair skin being favoured against dark skin in the marraige market .....and the character of a dark skinned gal with a melodious voice was a beautiful package . But instead of showing that she makes it in the world with that voice , they reduce her to a servant .......it is really very annoying and sad .
I am sipping my chai as i post this and I felt as if we argued over a cup of chai !😆 Arguments spice up the discussion and it was fun !😆
And thanks for thinking my id is cool ! It is isn't it ..........my son's choice !😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ok there might be logically understood that she had done something good and she was given bail than rather staying there sentenced to prison for the rest of her life.
But if she was out then koolsadhu1000 has a point why did she not bother to know about her daughters or may be she is seeing them from distance but never showed up.
And why Dhaasa yaar? I dont think so it suits her character at all. I think i want the old Saloni back on the show rather than in Dhaasa role :(
She was my idol in struggling life and seeing ways from both the sides. Miss the old Saloni
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: naravadeec

Ok there might be logically understood that she had done something good and she was given bail than rather staying there sentenced to prison for the rest of her life.

But if she was out then koolsadhu1000 has a point why did she not bother to know about her daughters or may be she is seeing them from distance but never showed up.
And why Dhaasa yaar? I dont think so it suits her character at all. I think i want the old Saloni back on the show rather than in Dhaasa role :(
She was my idol in struggling life and seeing ways from both the sides. Miss the old Saloni

hahaha😆 exactly my thoughts.........why daasa yaar . couldnt they show her getting out of jail due to good behaviour [ or saving someone in prison ] and since now she has become mahaan and is opting not to keep relations with her daughter as they will be called daughters of murderer [ what rot ....still ] ..........she has all the time in the world to devote to her singing and so she becomes world class singer . Why was this not shown ? Why Daasa ?😆 What creativity these creatives have yaars . They think Rajputana is replete with only daasas . Bhabho is the head Daasa , then Tara is daughter of Daasa , now Saloni is turned ino Daasa .😆 The creative behind this show has a Daasa fixation .😆
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