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I feel in the novel Arayavarta Chronicles the writer implies that Satyavati is called Matsyagandha because she is daughter of Matsya kingdom.
It's a theory, too.
I feel in the novel Arayavarta Chronicles the writer implies that Satyavati is called Matsyagandha because she is daughter of Matsya kingdom.
It's a theory, too.
Indonesian MB has Parasara as kulguru of Matsya and Satyavati as King's sister marries him and has Vyasa. He eventually moves to Himalayas taking Vyasa with him, giving her the opportunity to marry Santanu.
So in that sense yes she was from Matsya too as much as she was from Chedi. Just like Kunti was from KuntiBhoja but she was sister to Vsudev too.
However her name Matsya gandha was due to the fish odor. She was also addressed at many places as Gandhakali and Yojanagandha after treatment
Originally posted by: Chiillii
Indonesian MB has Parasara as kulguru of Matsya and Satyavati as King's sister marries him and has Vyasa. He eventually moves to Himalayas taking Vyasa with him, giving her the opportunity to marry Santanu.
So in that sense yes she was from Matsya too as much as she was from Chedi. Just like Kunti was from KuntiBhoja but she was sister to Vsudev too.
However her name Matsya gandha was due to the fish odor. She was also addressed at many places as Gandhakali and Yojanagandha after treatment
Sorry the writer perhaps did not mean that Satyavati was kalled Matsyagandha because she was from Matsya. I made a mistake perhaps. She though said that Satyavati was from Matsya as far as I can remember.
But I have a question.
Satyavati's brother was king of Matsya. Adrika is called a fish. I can't remember correctly but perhaps it is said that Satyavati had fish odour because she was born from a fish.
So is the following possible?
Adrika was princess of Matsya. Like Madra and Kekaya, Matsya was matrilineal. Or perhaps Adrika like Chitrangada was an only child. So Adrika, princess of Matsya remained in Matsya even after marriage. Her son became king in due course of time. So Satyavati can be considered Matsya princess.
The story goes something like this. (Others please correct me if there are are mistakes).
Once upon a time Uparichar Vasu's queen was in her fertile period. So she "asked him to give her a child".
But he went hunting leaving her in palace. (Don't remember the reason)
In the natural surrounding of woods he remembered her even more. He could not control himself.
After that he collected his s***n in a leaf and gave it to a bird to carry it to his queen Girika. But on the way the leaf fell from the bird's beak into a river. A fish dovoured it. The fish was actually an Apsara named Adrika reborn. Fishermen recovered two babies from her, a male and a female.
When Uparichar Vasu was informed about the twins he took the son with him to his kingdom. The daughter Satyavati was given to Dasaraj. So Dasaraj was the adoptive father of Satyavati.
That's really interesting.
I have another doubt. I had read somewhere that Balram was actually Vasudev's and Devaki's seventh son but was born out of Rohini's womb through God's maya. Is that true?
Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful
That's really interesting.
I have another doubt. I had read somewhere that Balram was actually Vasudev's and Devaki's seventh son but was born out of Rohini's womb through God's maya. Is that true?
Devaki's 7th child was stillborn/miscarriage.
According to SB Narayana instructed Yogamaya to take the child from Devaki's womb and to implant it in Rohini's womb.
Don't know what Harivamsha or Vishnupurana say.
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Satyavati was not only Uparachira vasu's daughter, he also asked the fisher chief to marry her to Shanthanu. It was a planned marriage.
Bheeshma didn't take the vow simply out of love for his father. Hastinapuri really didn't have a choice there. Bheeshma on his own wouldn't have allies. Satyavati's children would.
I suspect Pandavas choosing Matsya to hide out in and the Abhimanyu-Uttara wedding was also a message to the Kauravas that the Pandava side had political legitimacy.
OMG look who is back
Matasya as a choice was definitely not random. Yaksh (Yudhisthir's father) specifically came to ask him spend agyatwas there
Firstly it was centrally placed
Secondly definitely the association (started as personal but later became political) of Duryodhan and Susharaman meant an indirect enmity to Matasya. So Kauravas couldn't have easy entry there
Your point is pretty valid too. The kings back then needed political alliance and support, Bheeshm's maternal side wasn't strong enough to give that like was Satyavati's, however my point is if Uparachari Vasu had left her go, why was her alliance needed? He definitely would have had other daughters granddaughters
Uparichara's official wife was Girika. Adrika was an Apsara cursed to be a fish when she ingested Uparichara's sperm.
It's a miraculous story which basically implies that Satyavati and Matsya were born to an Apsara / courtesan who had been disbarred / ostracised for misbehaving with a Rishi.
Children from Apsara was not an issue but from a cursed / ostracised outcast Apsara would be a problem and hence the miracle story
Regarding Balram.
Vasudev was not in a Jail till Krishna was born. He was in house arrest with access to his wives including Devaki and Rohini but under the watch of guards as well as spies disguised as servants.
Balram was Rohini's son. Devaki's seventh was a miscarriage.
Sankarshana or womb exchange was a propaganda to gain Andhaka parentage for Balaram for future coronation. Mathura was ruled by Andhaka. Vasudev was Vrishni Devaki was Andhaka and her son had a claim to throne. Rohini was a Puru princess. Vasudev himself had no claim on Mathura and neither did Balram and that is why Krishna was offered the throne by Ugrasena. And it is for this reason they had to move out as all kings supported Jarasandh's claim that Vasudev and Balram can never be king of Mathura.
Eventually Balram gets Dwarka in dowry which enables Vasudev to succeed Ugrasena but even that was tenuous as Dwarka was just land citizens were all Bhoja Andhaka and Vrishni Yadava for whom only Krishna was eligible to be their chief. Hence story that Balram was actually Devaki's and therefore a vrishni Andhaka too.
Another aspect regarding Vasudeva's sons. Though many are listed from his several wives. Only few of his sons have roles in adulthood. Gada Sarana (who is supposed to be oldest) Paundraka (who was raised by king of Pundra, allies with Jarasandha) Balram and Krishna and daughter subhadra the youngest.
Balram's tenuous claims are also supported by the fact that none of Vasudev's brother in law's or extended relatives offer him their daughter. Krishna. All of them had more than one daughter. Infact Satrajit all three daughters marry Krishna along with Satyabhama
Originally posted by: Chiillii
Uparichara's official wife was Girika. Adrika was an Apsara cursed to be a fish when she ingested Uparichara's sperm.
It's a miraculous story which basically implies that Satyavati and Matsya were born to an Apsara / courtesan who had been disbarred / ostracised for misbehaving with a Rishi.
Children from Apsara was not an issue but from a cursed / ostracised outcast Apsara would be a problem and hence the miracle story
Regarding Balram.
Vasudev was not in a Jail till Krishna was born. He was in house arrest with access to his wives including Devaki and Rohini but under the watch of guards as well as spies disguised as servants.
Balram was Rohini's son. Devaki's seventh was a miscarriage.
Sankarshana or womb exchange was a propaganda to gain Andhaka parentage for Balaram for future coronation. Mathura was ruled by Andhaka. Vasudev was Vrishni Devaki was Andhaka and her son had a claim to throne. Rohini was a Puru princess. Vasudev himself had no claim on Mathura and neither did Balram and that is why Krishna was offered the throne by Ugrasena. And it is for this reason they had to move out as all kings supported Jarasandh's claim that Vasudev and Balram can never be king of Mathura.
Eventually Balram gets Dwarka in dowry which enables Vasudev to succeed Ugrasena but even that was tenuous as Dwarka was just land citizens were all Bhoja Andhaka and Vrishni Yadava for whom only Krishna was eligible to be their chief. Hence story that Balram was actually Devaki's and there a vrishni Andhaka too.
That's exactly my doubt these people had courtesan and Dasis and would have had multiple children from them, hence it doesn't seem that children of such non marital relations would have had much importance (not saying they were outcaste, but they definitely wouldn't have been important enough)
Vasu would have had multiple children too, a diseased daughter from a courtesan would've been least of his concern . If he wanted alliance with Hastinapur why did he opt for such discarded daughter and not someone from his legitimate wives
This makes me think Parasar did have some role to play. It wasn't just Uparichara's influence but also Parasara's which resulted in Bheeshma backing out
P.S. is the smell of fish/matasyagandha mentioned anywhere else excluding Jain scriptures
Originally posted by: Chiillii
Another aspect regarding Vasudeva's sons. Though many are listed from his several wives. Only few of his sons have roles in adulthood. Gada Sarana (who is supposed to be oldest) Paundraka (who was raised by king of Pundra, allies with Jarasandha) Balram and Krishna and daughter subhadra the youngest.
Balram's tenuous claims are also supported by the fact that none of Vasudev's brother in law's or extended relatives offer him their daughter. Krishna. All of them had more than one daughter. Infact Satrajit all three daughters marry Krishna along with Satyabhama
True Krishna was offered many wives, Balram just somehow managed to get Rewati
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