@FlauntPessimism, I remember u had asked whether they showed Narakasur in the show. I was scrolling through the old episodes on hotstar and they did show Narakasur. πI watched that episode and Krishna alone went to fight with him. He didn't take Satyabhama with him. π€ͺAfter a long fake lecture on women's rights and feminism he finally killed Narakasur with his Sudarshan chakra. π This episode was shown just before the lockdown had started last year.
Girls in my last stream an ex Muslim claimed that Niyoga is the Hindu equivalent to Islamic Halala
I clearly objected to his views citing my reasons but want to know your opinion in this regard
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Girls in my last stream an ex Muslim claimed that Niyoga is the Hindu equivalent to Islamic Halala
I clearly objected to his views citing my reasons but want to know your opinion in this regard
Not the same. Nikah halala, as I understand it, happens after a 2nd divorce between the same couple if they want to marry again for a 3rd time. It means the wife has to marry another man after the 2nd divorce, consummate the marriage, then divorce the new hubby, to marry the original hubby a 3rd time.
Niyoga is surrogacy for a father unable to reproduce. The couple doesn't divorce during the time. They remain married.
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Girls in my last stream an ex Muslim claimed that Niyoga is the Hindu equivalent to Islamic Halala
I clearly objected to his views citing my reasons but want to know your opinion in this regard
May be he found the similarity in the temporary sleeping with a stranger part.
But since the reasons of sleeping with a stranger are completely different, the question of equivalence does not arise. I completely agree with @Hearmeroar
@FP I have a question. Regarding your Indrajit Sulochana FF you said that you are into bad guys. But are Indrajit and Sulochana considered as bad guys?
Yeah as both @Vyapti and @HearMeRoar said, only the s*x part is common among the two, rest all are different. In Niyoga, the woman doesn't even have to marry the guy she was going to have s*x with. But one thing I feel is both the practices are against women if they're forced to do such things. For example, Satyavati literally forced Ambika and Ambalika to do it with Vyas to give birth to a heir of Hastinapur.
Btw, did Kunti and Madri also do Niyoga with the Gods they invited by chanting the mantra?
Patriarchal society's obsession with a male heir was what we call as Niyoga.
Medical science has proven it now, but it was always the male sperm thar carried the Y chromesome necessary to have the masculine gender in an embryo.
It didnt need advance science to understand that as my Grandmother used to say. A mango tree cannot give an apple fruit (proverb is In tamil translated here). Society always knew that a woman's seed / egg cannot carry the male attributes. So if those are not present in a child it would always be the man's fault.
Yet a man's ego will never allow him to acknowledge that. Impotency was again another reason that men would refuse to acknolwedge.
In ancient society's a man's inability to have a male child was passed off as curse and women were asked to accept sperms from another male to provide a son that the husband could not by himself.
Sometimes they would use propaganda of boons instead of curse or yagya prasad. (Hanuman as Vayu's son, Ram and his brothers as Yagya Prasad, Pandavas as Mantra Prasad and there are 100s of them in the purana and epic)
Other times kids were adopted and claimed as divine. (Dhrishtadyumna Draupadi, Karthikeya, Sita)
Etc
All the above just to stroke the male ego. As simplest and straightforward and the best solution for childlessness is adoption of orphans.
Halala on the other hand actually strikes at the male ego though it is misused today just like every law is.
Muslim law makes dissolution of marriage for men (Talaq) very easy and women (Khulla) very difficult. To bring some sort of safety /kill switch is Halala. Threat to a man that if he divorces his wife in an impulse and then tries to get her back, he will not. Atleast the situation will never be same as before
A woman has to marry another man and consummate with him and spend six months. During which time if the wife has a change of heart if she falls in love with the other man or gets pregnant and decides to continue with the second husband she will not come back to him. Or even if she does get divorced, she has still been a wife to someone else
There is a Hindi movie Nikaah with Salma Agha Raj Babbar and Deepak Parasar. That describes this concept beautifully. Deepak is the first one and Raj babbar the guy salma starts out doing Halala. But then falls in love.
There is another one Gudiya which shows the negative or abuse of Halala starring Divya Dutta. Based on real story
Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful
Yeah as both @Vyapti and @HearMeRoar said, only the s*x part is common among the two, rest all are different. In Niyoga, the woman doesn't even have to marry the guy she was going to have s*x with. But one thing I feel is both the practices are against women if they're forced to do such things. For example, Satyavati literally forced Ambika and Ambalika to do it with Vyas to give birth to a heir of Hastinapur.
Btw, did Kunti and Madri also do Niyoga with the Gods they invited by chanting the mantra?
Yes Kunti and Madri did Niyoga with the Gods they invited by chanting the Mantra. The description of Surya-Kunti part is almost rape like...I have read.
So the Birth of Pandavas was also definitely through Niyoga
Yes Kunti and Madri did Niyoga with the Gods they invited by chanting the Mantra. The description of Surya-Kunti part is almost rape like...I have read.
So the Birth of Pandavas was also definitely through Niyoga
This is for those who don't have blind faith in supernatural abilities of our ancient ancestors.
Sperm donation without sex is a modern invention where a male deposits the sperms in a bottle and doctor removes the eggs from the ovaries with forceps and fertilizes them both in a petro dish / test tube and then implants the fertilized embryos again with forceps in the uterus of a woman.
Niyoga was for all intents and purposes sperm donation. But in the absence of modern science was done the natural way where a man used his p@#!?s to deposit the sperms into the v@":#?!a of a woman.
S/#"x was the only method available to do the job, but neither love nor lust was EXPECTED to be part of the process.
Halala on the other hand uses S/#:?x as a punishment for irresponsible husband. The goal is not pro creation. Expectation is that the woman will experience love in the best case scenario or lust in the worst case, that would provide her a valid option to not return back to the man who abandoned her. A child being conceived in the process was to be a pleasant bonus for the woman and her second husband if woman chose to stay with him and a burden for the first husband if the woman chose to return
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