Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
Don't tell me will they actually show Rukmini putting in the Tulasi Patra during Tulabharam?
I don't want to have much expectations lekin this is making me emotional
I am 99.9% sure Radha will tell Rukmini to put the tulsi patra on the scale. π€ͺπ€£ After all they have to show Radha's superiority over all his wives na.
I hate Mahabharat.
I mean I know it's just an epic and even if true it happened thousands of years back and everything is fixed
But still when I come to certain portions I just feel like entering into the scene and like reversing it. Only in war Parvas I so feel bad at
Ghatochkach Vadh
Abhimanyu Vadh
Vrishsen Vadh
Massacre on 18th night
Deception by Yudhisthir to Drona
Even Jaidrath vadh often I feel like going to him and asking to immediately leave for SindhuDesh don't believe in the promises of these loosers
Doing a course on mahabharat by BORI these days and everyday I feel sad about something I already knew
I don't know who all I have tagged but mostly everyone I discussed hours
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
I hate Mahabharat.
I mean I know it's just an epic and even if true it happened thousands of years back and everything is fixed
But still when I come to certain portions I just feel like entering into the scene and like reversing it. Only in war Parvas I so feel bad at
Ghatochkach Vadh
Abhimanyu Vadh
Vrishsen Vadh
Massacre on 18th night
Deception by Yudhisthir to Drona
Even Jaidrath vadh often I feel like going to him and asking to immediately leave for SindhuDesh don't believe in the promises of these loosers
Doing a course on mahabharat by BORI these days and everyday I feel sad about something I already knew
I don't know who all I have tagged but mostly everyone I discussed hours
Ghato, Vrishasen deaths are tragic but done fairly.
Yes, Krishna said that about rakshasas. I have my different interp of the reaction, but even if we take it at face value, hard truth was Aryans and Rakshasas didn't get on well. At some point or the other, they would need to be eliminated, or as the eldest of Pandava kids, Ghato might claim the throne which the subjects wouldn't accept. Another war... more dead, instead of one Ghato.
Jayadrath vadh was also quite fair. He was also about to rape Panchali. Forgive me if I don't feel sympathy for him. All I'd say is they should've killed him then and there as she recommended. Then, Abhi would've lived.
Abhi vadh was also fair but horrific because they ganged up on him and tired him out on purpose to kill him.
Rule number one of war is young men die. Any epic, any war story around the world will make it clear.
Drona was lied to, but Drona was also the man who orchestrated Abhi vadh and asked Karna to shoot the boy from behind. Drona watched without protest while the daughter of his supposed friend was sexually assaulted and about to be made a sex slave for the 100 Kauravas and Karna. Essentially, gang rape. What Drona got was just punishment as Drishtadyumna said.
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Ghato, Vrishasen deaths are tragic but done fairly.
Yes, Krishna said that about rakshasas. I have my different interp of the reaction, but even if we take it at face value, hard truth was Aryans and Rakshasas didn't get on well. At some point or the other, they would need to be eliminated, or as the eldest of Pandava kids, Ghato might claim the throne which the subjects wouldn't accept. Another war... more dead, instead of one Ghato.
Jayadrath vadh was also quite fair. He was also about to rape Panchali. Forgive me if I don't feel sympathy for him. All I'd say is they should've killed him then and there as she recommended. Then, Abhi would've lived.
Abhi vadh was also fair but horrific because they ganged up on him and tired him out on purpose to kill him.
Rule number one of war is young men die. Any epic, any war story around the world will make it clear.
Drona was lied to, but Drona was also the man who orchestrated Abhi vadh and asked Karna to shoot the boy from behind. Drona watched without protest while the daughter of his supposed friend was sexually assaulted and about to be made a sex slave for the 100 Kauravas and Karna. Essentially, gang rape. What Drona got was just punishment as Drishtadyumna said.
I am not saying that these instances were unusual wrong or somehow unjust, I just said that during the war Parvans, I just feel like changing these episodes I myself don't know why
I doubt Ghatochkach was young during the war, he had his son participating, he definitely would have been of middle ages and Vrishsen being the eldest son of Ghatochkach's father's elder brother should have been of middle ages too.
Ghato was killed by some weapon which was over the top and probably of higher skill than these people had and Vrishsen was killed after mutilation of his body(just to showcase his father his helplessness) those were not Adharmik I agree but horrific for sure
Jaidrath I actually feel attacked Draupadi on Duryodhan's advice or did it to please Duryodhan like Karna always did.
His death isn't something horrific or so but I actually don't feel comfortable with the entire plan of Kauravas, I mean the best possible way was to not include Jaidrath on that day's war at all, Arjun couldn't have found him among all the multiple tents, what was the need to bring him and keep him as showpiece or bait? Useless challenge kind of thing, I have nothing against his death but with the kind of death he had to suffer just for his attempts to please his BIL
Drona IMO never had any soft corner for Pandavas at least not after their marriage to his enemy's daughter. Kauravas being the enemy of son in laws of his enemy were kind of his natural allies, I don't think he cared even two hoots for Draupad's daughter or son in laws, his participation in Abhi vadh seems nothing surprising to me
The reason I feel bad for the him is that the guy died as a helpless father after having heard heart wrenching news, any other thing I would have been OK with
@Bold you really think Abhi death was fair,? Group attack and no provision to retreat couldn't be a fair affair.
1. Jayadrath did attack Panchali on Duryodhan's orders. Ghato says it at one point.
2. Thing about Abhi vadh is it was not a group attack. They fought him one by one, tired him out, Karna broke his bow from behind, then Dusshasan's son delivered the kill blow.
Normally, help would arrive, and enemy warriors would also be occupied, and a tired boy wouldn't be facing fresh warriors.
But it wasn't a group attack.
What's horrific about it is actually Drona orchestrating it. He killed Arjuna's son. Karna made sure he had no weapons.
Why would they do it except to cause emotional blow to Pandavas? One boy... Abhi wasn't regarded as anyone special until then like Ghato needed to be killed.
In the sense that it was an execution and not regular war, it was unfair. But rules of war were followed for sure.
Don't you think what happened to these 2, Drona and Karna, was then poetic justice? Drona died pining for his son. Karna died without weapon. And yeah, Abhimanyu's FATHER didn't arrange it. His uncle, Krishna, did.
ETA. Best part is Arjuna wanted to kill Dhrishtadyumna for Drona. Dhrisht reminds him of Abhi and Panchali
Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism
I hate Mahabharat.
I mean I know it's just an epic and even if true it happened thousands of years back and everything is fixed
But still when I come to certain portions I just feel like entering into the scene and like reversing it. Only in war Parvas I so feel bad at
Ghatochkach Vadh
Abhimanyu Vadh
Vrishsen Vadh
Massacre on 18th night
Deception by Yudhisthir to Drona
Even Jaidrath vadh often I feel like going to him and asking to immediately leave for SindhuDesh don't believe in the promises of these loosers
Doing a course on mahabharat by BORI these days and everyday I feel sad about something I already knew
I don't know who all I have tagged but mostly everyone I discussed hours
I would like to add Amba's death too. My knowledge of Mahabharata is less but whatever I have read about her, she was a Kashi princess who was in love with a prince. On her swayamvar day, she alongwith her sisters was forcibly abducted by Bhishma and brought to Hastinapur. Also I think the sisters forceful abduction was ordered by Satyavati herself because they thought Kashi king insulted them by not inviting them to the swayamvar.
Amba demanding Bhishma to marry her was not wrong. After all, who gave him the right to abduct her? All she wanted was he marrying her. I don't think she expected him to fulfill any kind of relations with her post marriage. Her demand that he ruined her life so he should marry her was not wrong. I felt bad for her for committing suicide due to Bhishma. Again in her next birth though her motive behind her janam was fulfilled but still her death as Srikhandi was horrible.
But sometimes I wonder. How come Bhishma's brother ( I forgot his name) who was the king then didn't order Bhishma to marry Amba? I feel she may have gone to the Hastinapur king to ask for justice. Bhishma had taken this vow that he will always be under the king and listen to his orders so why didn't the king order him to marry Amba? Sometimes I think if Bhishma had got married to Amba (either due to the king's orders or to save her life and honor) but they would have never had any husband-wife relationship then would all the events had still occurred?
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
1. Jayadrath did attack Panchali on Duryodhan's orders. Ghato says it at one point.
2. Thing about Abhi vadh is it was not a group attack. They fought him one by one, tired him out, Karna broke his bow from behind, then Dusshasan's son delivered the kill blow.
Normally, help would arrive, and enemy warriors would also be occupied, and a tired boy wouldn't be facing fresh warriors.
But it wasn't a group attack.
What's horrific about it is actually Drona orchestrating it. He killed Arjuna's son. Karna made sure he had no weapons.
Why would they do it except to cause emotional blow to Pandavas? One boy... Abhi wasn't regarded as anyone special until then like Ghato needed to be killed.
In the sense that it was an execution and not regular war, it was unfair. But rules of war were followed for sure.
Don't you think what happened to these 2, Drona and Karna, was then poetic justice? Drona died pining for his son. Karna died without weapon. And yeah, Abhimanyu's FATHER didn't arrange it. His uncle, Krishna, did.
ETA. Best part is Arjuna wanted to kill Dhrishtadyumna for Drona. Dhrisht reminds him of Abhi and Panchali
When Krishna was reminding Karna of his wrongs before his death he mentioned Abhi badh (as far as I can remember). Why did he mention it if it was not unfair?
When Krishna was reminding Karna of his wrongs before his death he mentioned Abhi badh (as far as I can remember). Why did he mention it if it was not unfair?
He didn't mention it as per critical edition. Only in KMG.
CE, Vol 7
Chapter 1217(67)
Sanjaya said, βVasudeva was stationed on his chariot. He said, βO Radheya! It is fortunate that youremember dharma. Quite often, when they are immersed in hardships, inferior ones censure destiny,but not their evil deeds. O Karna! When you, Suyodhana, Duhshasana and Shakuni Soubala broughtDroupadi to the assembly hall in a single garment, did dharma not show itself to you? When, in theassembly hall, Yudhishthira, who was not skilled at dice, was defeated by Shakuni, who was skilled atdice, where did dharma go then? O Karna! During her season, Krishna798 was under Duhshasanaβssubjugation in the assembly hall and you laughed at her. Where did dharma go then? O Karna!Resorting to the king of Gandhara and coveting the kingdom, you challenged the Pandavas.799Where did dharma go then?β When Vasudeva addressed Radheya in this way, Pandava Dhananjayaremembered all this and was overcome by great rage. Energetic flames of anger seemed to issue outfrom all the pores on his body and it was extraordinary.
Krishna mentioned 4 things. 1) When the evil quartet dragged Panchali into the dice hall 2) When Yudhishtira was defeated. 3) When Dusshasan was assaulting her, and Karna was laughing. 4) The conspiracy with Shakuni.
KMG has sanitized a lot of things. For ex, CE straight up says Panchali was the Lakshmi avatar. There is not even a mention of Rukmini as Lakshmi in the advamshavatarana section. Panchali is mentioned again as Lakshmi when Arjun runs into her at the lotus lake before swayamvar.
I don't believe in avatars, etc. Pointing out what Vyasa said is not what KMG translated.
There is another section which is translated by KMG as cheekbones. I've posted here before.
Yudhishtira is trying to needle Krishna and asks why is this guy Arjun always so miserable?
Krishna tries to avoid snapping, but Yudhishtira presses.
Finally, Krishna says Arjuna is unhappy because he is the one who always has to fight. he is the one who has to fight because he is the one with the big *male plumbing* (IF will ban me if I use real word). KMG translated it to cheekbones. Completely ruined the comedy in the scene.
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
He didn't mention it as per critical edition. Only in KMG.
CE, Vol 7
Chapter 1217(67)
Sanjaya said, βVasudeva was stationed on his chariot. He said, βO Radheya! It is fortunate that youremember dharma. Quite often, when they are immersed in hardships, inferior ones censure destiny,but not their evil deeds. O Karna! When you, Suyodhana, Duhshasana and Shakuni Soubala broughtDroupadi to the assembly hall in a single garment, did dharma not show itself to you? When, in theassembly hall, Yudhishthira, who was not skilled at dice, was defeated by Shakuni, who was skilled atdice, where did dharma go then? O Karna! During her season, Krishna798 was under Duhshasanaβssubjugation in the assembly hall and you laughed at her. Where did dharma go then? O Karna!Resorting to the king of Gandhara and coveting the kingdom, you challenged the Pandavas.799Where did dharma go then?β When Vasudeva addressed Radheya in this way, Pandava Dhananjayaremembered all this and was overcome by great rage. Energetic flames of anger seemed to issue outfrom all the pores on his body and it was extraordinary.
Krishna mentioned 4 things. 1) When the evil quartet dragged Panchali into the dice hall 2) When Yudhishtira was defeated. 3) When Dusshasan was assaulting her, and Karna was laughing. 4) The conspiracy with Shakuni.
KMG has sanitized a lot of things. For ex, CE straight up says Panchali was the Lakshmi avatar. There is not even a mention of Rukmini as Lakshmi in the advamshavatarana section. Panchali is mentioned again as Lakshmi when Arjun runs into her at the lotus lake before swayamvar.
I don't believe in avatars, etc. Pointing out what Vyasa said is not what KMG translated.
There is another section which is translated by KMG as cheekbones. I've posted here before.
Yudhishtira is trying to needle Krishna and asks why is this guy Arjun always so miserable?
Krishna tries to avoid snapping, but Yudhishtira presses.
Finally, Krishna says Arjuna is unhappy because he is the one who always has to fight. he is the one who has to fight because he is the one with the big *male plumbing* (IF will ban me if I use real word). KMG translated it to cheekbones. Completely ruined the comedy in the scene.
If I remember correctly then I read Krishna mentioning Jatugriha and Abhimanyu Vadh too in children's MB by Upendrakishore. So possibly it is not KMG's creative liberty at work. Probably it is mentioned in some version of MB
If I remember correctly then I read Krishna mentioning Jatugriha and Abhimanyu Vadh too in children's MB by Upendrakishore. So possibly it is not KMG's creative liberty at work. Probably it is mentioned in some version of MB
Actually CE is considered the authoritative work. They've deleted additions which they couldn't corroborate, either with earlier and less contaminated manuscripts or by other methods. SO the Abhi vadh mention etc. are probably later interpolations.
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