Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Love CC#10/DT Nt Pg#41 - Page 31

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

One sure way to solve this issue:

If you're stating your belief, state it is your belief.

If you're going to say it is some text, then citation is absolutely needed.

Hinduism is perhaps one of the few religions in the world with strong feminine divinities. As for Radha, she is the most unexpected and subversive of goddesses, who entered the pantheon through the literary route and the popular imagination! She is spontaneous and follows the dictates of her heart and spirit, breaking social and traditional hierarchies as she does so.

From mythological to this technological or logical era, Radha Krishna has always been symbolized as a benchmark of love! These two words in our Indian history are never been taken separately. Whenever we talk about Radha, it is impossible for any human being not to think about Krishna. It definitely strikes our head and compels us to think at least once about the everlasting tale of love!

Yes, her name is mentioned in Brahmavaivarta Purana, which is not considered authentic by scholars. To put it mildly, it may be an unscrupulous book like Bhavishya Purana, which is reportedly adultered during Akbar’s time to insults legends like Krishna and Ram. So both these Puranas cannot be taken seriously.

Here is the link for Radha's mention in these Puranas---

https://www.sriradha.org/brindavaneswari3/brindavaneswari_3_3.html

This explains Radha's presence/ mention in many important Puranas such as --- Padma Purana, , Brahma Vaivartha Purana, Devi Bhagavatham, Brahmanda Purana, Narada Purana, Adi Varaha Purana, Vraja Purana.

This mantra daily chanted in Nidhivan just want to share it for bliss

Sri Radharani Stuti in English:

radha raseshvari ramya
rama cha paramatmanah
rasodbhava krishna-kanta
krishna-vaksha-sthala-sthita || 1 ||

krishna-pranadhidevi cha
maha-vishnoh prasur api
sarvadya vishnu-maya cha
satya nitya sanatani || 2 ||

brahma-svarupa parama
nirlipta nirguna para
vrinda vrindavane tvam cha
viraja-tata-vasini || 3 ||

goloka-vasini gopi
gopisha gopa-matrika
sananda paramananda
nanda-nandana-kamini || 4 ||

vrishabhanu-suta shanta
kanta purnatama tatha
kamya kalavati-kanya
tirtha-putra sati shubha || 5 ||

samsara-sagare ghore
bhitam mam sharanagatam
sarvebhyo ‘pi vinirmuktam
kuru radhe surshvari || 6 ||

tvat-pada-padma-yugale
pada-padmalayarcite
dehi mahyam param bhaktim
krishnena parisevite || 7 ||

tapta-kanchana-gaurangi
radhe vrindavaneshvari
vrishabhanu-sute devi
pranamami hari-priye || 8 ||

mahabhava-svarupa tvam
krishna-priya-variyasi
prema-bhakti-prade devi
radhike tvam namamy aham || 9 ||

Sri Radharani Stuti Meaning:

1) “Beautiful Shrimate Radharani is the queen and the origin of the rasa dance. She is the giver of pleasure to Krishna, who is the Supersoul in the hearts of all. She is the lover of Krishna and is always situated upon the chest of the Lord.”

2) “She is the presiding Deity of Krishna’s very life, and She is the first of all persons, the energy of Lord Vishnu, the embodiment of truthfulness–eternal and ever-youthful.”

3) “Her form is spiritual, therefore She is transcendental and beyond mundane qualities. She is divine energy and is unattached. O Radha, in Vrindavana You are the leader of the gopis, and You reside on the banks of the Viraja River.”

4) “She is a resident of Goloka Vrindavana and is a cowherd damsel. She is the queen of the gopis and the divine mother of the cowherd boys. She is joyful and always experiencing the highest bliss, and She incites lusty desires in the heart of the son of Nanda (Lord Krishna).”

5) “Radha is the daughter of Maharaja Vrishabhanu. She is very peaceful and lovely. She is completely contented and fulfilled, very pleasing and is the daughter of Kalavati. She is the purifier of the tirthas (holy places) and She is most auspicious and chaste to Lord Krishna.”

6) “O Radha, I have fallen into the horrible ocean of birth and death and am frightened, but I am seeking Your shelter. O queen of the demigods, please free me from all fears.”

7) “O Radhika, please give me transcendental devotional service to Your lotus feet, which are worshiped by Lord Brahma and Lakshmi, and which are served even by Lord Krishna.”

8) “O Shrimati Radharani, I offer my respects to You whose bodily complexion is like molten gold. O Goddess, You are the queen of Vrindavana. You are the daughter of King Vrishabhanu, and are very dear to Lord Krishna.”

9) “O Shrimate Radharani, You are the exalted form of mahabhava, therefore You are the most dear to Krishna. O Goddess, You alone are able to bestow pure love for the Supreme Lord; therefore I offer my humble obeisances unto You.”

Sri Radharani Mantra in English:

Radha gayatri mantra

Aum Vrashbhanujaye Vidmahe
Krishnapriyaye Dhiimahii
Tanno Raadha Prachodayaat

Shriim Kliim Raadhaa Krishnaa Bhyaam

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

I think you forget to see which was edited comment.She or he forced saying our belief on radha is based on swastika and its lie..So he or she forced only..Panchali is prayed as God too in Shrilanka..She indeed insulted and forced..Just because comment is edited it can't said it's deputed hehein that case all text are fiction only..as well.

No one can say only people who believe in RK show believes in Radha (not in the post you quoted) we all know that Radha is being worshipped since centuries. All shows on Krishna have them.

The only thing is that just like few believe on later texts others might believe in RK serial

See as I said if we don't believe in ancient books and only believe in later books which don't even quote the source then it might actually be historically inaccurate and we can't deny that no texts prior to Jaydev have a direct reference to anyone named Radha (excluding obviously Karna's foster mother)

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

No one can say only people who believe in RK show believes in Radha (not in the post you quoted) we all know that Radha is being worshipped since centuries. All shows on Krishna have them.

The only thing is that just like few believe on later texts others might believe in RK serial

See as I said if we don't believe in ancient books and only believe in later books which don't even quote the source then it might actually be historically inaccurate and we can't deny that no texts prior to Jaydev have a direct reference to anyone named Radha (excluding obviously Karna's foster mother)

See it was mentioned to me by insulting my views and custom.We can't force others to read this and that right.which was done..which also need yo be noticed.I don't like ppl advice me to read this..that..i never said I read lot of bhagvatam version so I m confused.It looked so arrogant and rude attitude.We are saying if u don't like don't react why to bully my post and again., Again telling it lie.

I just posted from my authentic customs..there is no need to bully post and saying it's a lie..was my point.

Anyway Gayathri and Suta cleared it..

It's not few..many sectors of ppl believe Radha Krishna ..aa God and Goddess exists ..Every year Radhastami and Radha kalyana is celebrated.

Belief , faith or their custom questioning and forcing with one's saying again , again doesn't make logical sense.

It's your faith or anything Radha doesn't exists..fine

It's many other side view she exists as Krishna concert and Radharani is a bliss..why to question it and insult their custom..simple..

It's like as though in total world I am only saying Radha exists ..which is not all acceptable.

I am unable to understand the discussion here. It's being belief vs evidence. Both are completely two different domains and should never intermingled

To give an example my mother is a professor of Geography, many students have done PhD under her guidance, she has written books and is called to check papers/interview the candidates for public service commission (those who become BDO/SDO) in the nutshell she is a pretty respected name in geography academia in India. It's not that she doesn't know what Sun n Moon are physically (star/sattelite and non concious things). We are from Bihar where we have Chhatt Puja to worship sun(rising n setting) a very tough pooja where one needs to stay without a single drop of water for over 36 hours. She did this fast that years since that was her belief.

Both her knowledge and her belief are different compartments of her life. She doesn't think of Sun as a God when she teaches n doesn't think it as a star when she worships

That's exactly my way of thinking too

Belief in God you believe is very much your right and your expectations that others should respect your belief is very valid. But at the same time if you make a statement that Radha is mentioned in ancient texts then that becomes an academic discussion and not your belief.

If this statement is made you will have to show a reference/proof for it and not some random article which claims that the ancient texts mention her.

If I remember correctly , you had earlier said that Radha is mentioned in Vedas and that's your belief. That's not how can we can claim. Instead we can simply say that I believe in the divinity/existence of a character

And no it's not some advice from me, but a general statement about the difference between belief n evidence

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

See it was mentioned to me by insulting my views and custom.We can't force others to read this and that right.which was done..which also need yo be noticed.I don't like ppl advice me to read this..that..i never said I read lot of bhagvatam version so I m confused.It looked so arrogant and rude attitude.We are saying if u don't like don't react why to bully my post and again., Again telling it lie.

I just posted from my authentic customs..there is no need to bully post and saying it's a lie..was my point.

Anyway Gayathri and Suta cleared it..

It's not few..many sectors of ppl believe Radha Krishna ..aa God and Goddess exists ..Every year Radhastami and Radha kalyana is celebrated.

Belief , faith or their custom questioning and forcing with one's saying again , again doesn't make logical sense.

It's your faith or anything Radha doesn't exists..fine

It's many other side view she exists as Krishna concert and Radharani is a bliss..why to question it and insult their custom..simple..

It's like as though in total world I am only saying Radha exists ..which is not all acceptable.

Ok let's end it. If one wants to believe in Radha it's their choice.

Mutual respect is what matters.Thanks

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I am unable to understand the discussion here. It's being belief vs evidence. Both are completely two different domains and should never intermingled

To give an example my mother is a professor of Geography, many students have done PhD under her guidance, she has written books and is called to check papers/interview the candidates for public service commission (those who become BDO/SDO) in the nutshell she is a pretty respected name in geography academia in India. It's not that she doesn't know what Sun n Moon are physically (star/sattelite and non concious things). We are from Bihar where we have Chhatt Puja to worship sun(rising n setting) a very tough pooja where one needs to stay without a single drop of water for over 36 hours. She did this fast that years since that was her belief.

Both her knowledge and her belief are different compartments of her life. She doesn't think of Sun as a God when she teaches n doesn't think it as a star when she worships

That's exactly my way of thinking too

Belief in God you believe is very much your right and your expectations that others should respect your belief is very valid. But at the same time if you make a statement that Radha is mentioned in ancient texts then that becomes an academic discussion and not your belief.

If this statement is made you will have to show a reference/proof for it and not some random article which claims that the ancient texts mention her.

If I remember correctly , you had earlier said that Radha is mentioned in Vedas and that's your belief. That's not how can we can claim. Instead we can simply say that I believe in the divinity/existence of a character

And no it's not some advice from me, but a general statement about the difference between belief n evidence

Exactly. Statements as fact need to be backed up by evidence.

Faith, by definition, is beyond facts.

Why Lord Krishna didn't marry Radha -Facts

Information to be known

An Eternal Love Story (Radha Krishna)

The Radha Krishna love story is eternal and sublime. It is symbolic of the divine union between the Jivatma and Paramatma – the individual self and the universal self. The Bhagavata story of Krishna, the cowherd romancing Radha, the gopi is an incomparably superb mythology and a legend conquering times. Millions of people across generations are mesmerized by the Radha Krishna love story

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An Eternal Love Story (Radha Krishna)

Listening to their most enchanting love, most readers end up wondering "why didn't they end up together"? Well, a survey about why Kirshna didn't marry Radha revealed many different thoughts coming from different minds. Check out this very interesting discussion...

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Bhakti Yoga

Jay Bagri says: "The idea of Radha Krishna as lovers is popular only after the Bhakti movement during the late medieval age. The poets and romantics have given this spiritual relation a physical form, and distorted the picture for the average viewers. In ancient prayers, "Rukmani, Satyabhama sametha Sri Krishnamasra" is what (is) recited

Krishna's Timeline

Bagri outlines the timeline of Krishna: Appearance at midnight of Sravana k8 (July 19/20), year 3228 BC to Devaki; taken by Vasudeva from Mathura to Nanda and Yasoda in Gokula. Till his third year lived in Gokula, moved to Vrindavana.

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Krishna's Timeline

From age 7-10, Brahma steals and returns cowherd boys; Govardhana puja; plays Rasa-Lila with the gopis; is invited to Mathura for a wrestling match; Krishna kills Chanura and his brother Balarama kills Mustika; then Krishna kills Kamsa and Balarama kills many of his brothers. from age 10-28, lives in Mathura; intiated with Balarama into chanting Gayatri by Gargamuni; instructed with Balarama in the 64 arts by Sandipani Muni; protects Mathura from many demons.

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Krishna's Timeline

From age 29-125, Krishna establishes kingdom in Dwaraka, marries Rukmini and seven principal queens; marries 16,100 princesses; 161,080 sons are born to Krishna; speaks Bhagavad-Gita at Kuruksetra Battle (~90)(3138 BC); saves King Parikshit in the womb; instructs Uddhava. After 125, disappearance on February 18th, 3102 BC...

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Childhood Sweethearts

Bagri concludes: "So, Krishna knew of the physical Radha only till Krishna was 10. He never returned to Vrindavan after that time.

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A Spiritual Relationship from Krishna

Paul Howard has got to say about the pastimes of Sri Radha Krishna: Material existence is a perverted reflection of spiritual activities. Krishna is the supreme enjoyer; and in material life, everyone wants to be like Krishna in various ways, but the result is abominable.

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A Spiritual Relationship from Krishna

Krishna's paramour relationships are the greatest spiritual excellence, but the human imitation of such a relationship is most horrible." Radha Krishna love can never be approached from the physical parlance. It is indeed supreme and has to be viewed as a form of devotion through which Radha approached Krishna, the universal self.

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Separated Self

Howard continues: "We are constitutionally Krishna's servants, and servants should never imitate the Master. Everything is Krishna's property and naturally meant for Krishna's enjoyment, so when we imitate Krishna, it's a crime against reality. Separation in love makes the love more intense, so Radha's not being publicly married to Krishna, enhances their love affair. Radha is Krishna's eternally separated self, and hence their marriage is unnecessary.

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Love And Marriage Are Different (Radha Krishna)

Madhu Rao writes: Lord Krishna did not marry Radha to prove that Love and Marriage are two different things...love is a selfless emotion while marriage is an agreement or arrangement... Krishna acknowledged the divine and untainted love of Radha with His divine grace. The Radha Krishna love story is an instance of the zealous pursuit of spirituality apringing forth eternally from the individual self towards the universal self.

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Krishna And Radha Are Not Separate

Prashant Jaiswal writes: Radha is not a separate individual from Krishna. You need two individuals to marry. Lord Krishna has various types of energies - his external energy is inferior energy and it's Maya (Ma meaning not, ya meaning which, together meaning "something which is not real).

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Krishna And Radha Are Not Separate

His internal potency (antaranga shakti) is Radha. Radha is Krishna's energy, which pleases him and possesses unparalleled love and devotion (to him). Therefore Radha Krishna are two different manifestatiosn fot he same supreme divine principle. Therefore the question of Radha Krishna marriage is never appropriate since there is no element of two there.

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Unconditional Love between Radha Krishna

Vaishnav Charan Das answers why Krishna did not marry Radha: "To teach us mortals what is unconditional and eternal love..." Radha Krishna relationship is never physical, but only spiritual meaning the highest form of devotional expression by a human towards God.

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The Highest Form of Love

Lia Dee shares: Krishna did not marry Radha "because it is the highest form of love, according to Vedic scriptures..." Here we can never equate Radha Krishna love with those that are found elsewhere in the other mythological stories, literature and history. It is sublime and without a parallel. Radha Krishna is an instance of supreme emanation of divine vibrations.

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Soul Mates

Prajakta Bhide shares: "I had read somewhere that Radha asked Krishna why he wouldn't marry her. And he simply said: "How can one marry his or her own soul?" Though Radha is very well aware of this fact, their conversation explains the whole of humanity that Radha Krishna are one and not different from each other in spirit and existence.

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Society Comes in The Way

Someone was of the opinion that it was social norms which played the villain. "Social conditions of Krishna and Radha were not good in a way that they could marry..."

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Spiritual Love Is Ecstatic

Elsewhere, Vraja Kishor writes: "To understand Radha correctly, you need to somewhat understand the mysteries of "rasa" and "prema" – the ecstatic experience of spiritual love. Krishna and Radharani playfully married once, as children sometimes do. They did not really marry, however, because their love is more primal, profound, and unbounded than what wedded love facilitates.

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Spiritual Love Is Ecstatic

Wedded love is a very elevated type of divine union, yet in marriage, the intimacy and spontaneity is not limitless." Radha Krishna love is the perfect example for the zealous and burning aspiration that brings together the devotee and God on common grounds.

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Profound Love of Radha Krishna

Kishor continues: "Some limitation is imposed by the sense of 'duty' that husband and wife naturally acquire towards one another. This sense of duty is beautiful, but the highest type of love is even more beautiful. It is so profound that it requires no sense of duty – and flows absolutely spontaneously – breaking all things that stand in its path.

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Profound Love of Radha Krishna

Thus, the pure transcendental love that Radha Krishna enjoy on the highest level of bliss (paramānanda), expresses itself in the form of being paramours, not husband and wife.” Hence when the relationship between a man and woman is limited to marriage, Radha Krishna relationship transcends all definitions that are earthly, physical and material.

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Distant Cousins?

Vraja Kishore continues: "Radharani is the daughter of Vṛṣabhānu and Kīrtidā. Krishna is the son of Yaśodā and Nandā. Vāsudeva Krishna, a little different, is the son of Devakī and Vasudeva. There may be some distant relationship which would make Rādhā and Krishna cousins. But Krishna’s mother Yaśodā has so much motherly affection for Sri Rādhā that she treats her exactly like her own daughter, or you can say, exactly like her own "daughter-in-law."

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Marriage Unnecessary

In another discussion, Awal Garg writes: Krishna and Radha were attached to each other mentally. That's why we say Radhe-Krishna and not Rukmini-Krishna. Rukmini had done a lot of work to acquire Krishna. She had gone against her brother Rukmi because Rukmani, like Radha, was in love with Krishna. Rukmini sent a letter to Krishna that he should come and take her away.

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Marriage Unnecessary

The letter was composed of 7 glistening slokas. They touched Krishna's heart and he had to accept Rukmini's plea and make her his first wife. The marriage of Radha and Krishna, on the other hand, doesn't really matter because they were bound by eternal love. Krishna and Radha moved with each other when Krishna was a boy of less than eight.

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Marriage Unnecessary

After that Radha Krishna never met again in their life time. Even as a child Radha was very well aware of Krishna’s divinity and hence she carried Krishna’s memories in her heart till the end. This is the beauty of their relationship.

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A Curse Kept The Lovers Apart (Radha krishna)

Jabahar says: "Lord Krishna and Radha are eternal lovers who dwell in Goloka. As per BrahmaVaivarta Purana, before the manifestation of their time on earth, Radharani had a heated argument with Shridama, the personal attendant of Krishna. Radharani got angry and cursed Shridama to take birth as a demon.

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A Curse Kept The Lovers Apart

Shridama, in turn, cursed Radharani to be born as a human who, after her pastimes with Krishna in Gokula, would get separated for 100 years from her beloved lover. The curse was responsible for Radha to feel the pangs of separation from Krishna which tormented her throughout her lifetime after separating from Krishna when Krishna was just eight years old.

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Happily Ever After

Jabahar quotes: "Manuṣyā iva kopaste tasmātvaṃ mānuṣī bhubi bhaviṣyāsi na saṃdeho mayā śaptā tvamambike [BVP - 4.3.103], meaning: "You are getting angry like a human, hence you'll become a human.

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Happily Ever After

You'll become a human without any doubt due to my curse" and "Gokule prapya taṃ kruṣṇaṃ vihariṣyasi kānane bhavitā te varṣaśataṃ vicchedo hariṇā saha punaḥ prapya tamīśaṃ ca golokamājamiṣyasi [BVP - 4.3.105,106], meaning, "In Gokula, getting the company of Krishna, you will enjoy pastimes in the forest. Then, you'll experience a separation of 100 years from Hari. After that, you'll again get His company and return to Go-loka."

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Final words on Radha Krishna

Radha Krishna love can never be approached from any earthly definitions and explanations. It is unparalleled and a startling example for the human race to proclaim the supreme union between the human and divine. Radha Krishna divine love stands in our memories forever guiding and inspiring the journeys of humans towards realizing their inner divinity. In this regard, we have a matchless and mesmerizing story that stands out conquering times. It is a beacon light to our spiritual life.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I am unable to understand the discussion here. It's being belief vs evidence. Both are completely two different domains and should never intermingled

To give an example my mother is a professor of Geography, many students have done PhD under her guidance, she has written books and is called to check papers/interview the candidates for public service commission (those who become BDO/SDO) in the nutshell she is a pretty respected name in geography academia in India. It's not that she doesn't know what Sun n Moon are physically (star/sattelite and non concious things). We are from Bihar where we have Chhatt Puja to worship sun(rising n setting) a very tough pooja where one needs to stay without a single drop of water for over 36 hours. She did this fast that years since that was her belief.

Both her knowledge and her belief are different compartments of her life. She doesn't think of Sun as a God when she teaches n doesn't think it as a star when she worships

That's exactly my way of thinking too

Belief in God you believe is very much your right and your expectations that others should respect your belief is very valid. But at the same time if you make a statement that Radha is mentioned in ancient texts then that becomes an academic discussion and not your belief.

If this statement is made you will have to show a reference/proof for it and not some random article which claims that the ancient texts mention her.

If I remember correctly , you had earlier said that Radha is mentioned in Vedas and that's your belief. That's not how can we can claim. Instead we can simply say that I believe in the divinity/existence of a character

And no it's not some advice from me, but a general statement about the difference between belief n evidence

How beautifully you have explained my dear ..

I love you for this .

I respect you immensely for sharing your views with such a beautiful example here . Thanks