Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Love CC#10/DT Nt Pg#41 - Page 23

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

There are different Avtaars of Vishnu not only 10. The 10 which we know are commonly selected n sorted.

Exactly..I read Buddha , Shridi sai Baba also avtar of vishnu

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Can u give author name to buy and read to me

Krishna Dwaipayana Vyasa is supposed to be the author.

These are my partial notes on it...

STARTING AFTER KAMSA VADH:

1. http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_038.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_039.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_040.html

After the multiple assassination attempts Krishna survived, he was under siege from Jarasandha 17 times. He was about to be killed by Balram in the first battle. Krishna spared Jarasandh’s life.

This is what Vikadru (a Yadava chief) then tells Krishna: You are our leader. The army and we are under your control. You are the reason for this enmity. Please protect us along with you.

Then, Vasudev, Krishna’s FATHER, said this: The king who has the six qualities is capable of understanding the essence of the meaning of advices. kR^iShNa! All that is told by vikadru with intelligence is with principles and acceptable. vikadru spoke about the duties of the king and the truth in the interest of the people. O the best among yAdava-s, please do whatever is acceptable.

This is Krishna’s response: At this time, I, along with my brother, powerful but acting like weak, will leave, for protecting our lives.

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Our journey will be beneficial for the prosperity and good of our race, the citizens, the city and the nation. The kings, leaving their countries, eager for victory will not stay in other countries without killing the enemy in battle.

Then, Krishna and Balram seek out Parasu Ram. This is what Krishna says: O one who is fixed in vows! For protecting our city and people, both of us who are responsible for fighting, without the chariots, without the infantry, without shields and without weapons, have left the city due to the fear of jarAsaMdha. O the best among sages! Thus we have come to you. Kindly honour us by providing your good counsel.

This is what Parasu Ram advises: Listen! I shall tell you, where, both of you, affected by the enemy, should fight with the powerful jarAsaMdha.

swim across this auspicious river veNA - to the inaccessible mountain yaj~nagiri, located near sahya mountain is the abode of thieves - after staying there for a night, (let us cross) the river named khaTvA~Nga - the place decorated with forests where sages live - the mountains - the city of krau~ncha, stay there in the evening without seeing the king in a holy bathing place named AnadUhaM - go to the mountain, located in the gap of sahya, famous as gomantam, inaccessible even for the birds - jarAsaMdha will be unable to fight the mountain battle.

So basically, Parasu Ram advises Krishna to go on the run until he reaches Gomantam.

Once Krishna was taken there, Parasu Ram is the one who advises what to do: This is the place, our destination, where you will receive your weapons. The deva-s have decided the time of battle for you.

O the leader of deva-s! one who resides in vaikuNTha! O viShNu who is praised by deva-s, Listen to my words for the benefit of all people.

govinda! Taking the form of human body, among the work in the world done by you for the benefit of people,

this is the first duty as decided by time, as the battle with jarAsaMdha is approaching.

kR^iShNa! In the battle, the strength of weapons, the form and the terrible nature has to be determined by yourself.

Seeing you in the battle holding the discus and holding the mace, with your eight arms, even indra will be afraid.

O the one who respects others! From today onwards, you are sending the best kings of the earth, to heaven, by shooting arrows.

O govinda! The best among speakers! One who is having great arms! Now call the son of vinata quickly to become your flag bearer.

The kings, eager for battle, whose destination is heaven, are ready on the side of the sons of dhR^itarAShTra, engaged in battle.

Miserable due to the killing of kings, becoming a widow, the earth is waiting for you, like a woman wearing a single plait of hair.

O the oppressor of enemies! As you take the human form, as the battle is approaching, the kShatraiya-s, affected by planets, will not last long.

kR^iShNa! Now get ready for battle, for killing the dAnava-s (daitya-s), for the best among kings to attain heaven and for the comfort of deva-s.

kR^iShNa! I have done a good work, since I was felicitated by you, who is felicitated by the world of mobile and immobile beings.

Remember, this was a TEENAGER, not a master strategist yet. Texts say he was 11. I don’t believe it. No 11-year-old could’ve done what he did. Perhaps mid-to-late teens. And not God. This was Krishna’s first sacrifice, albeit coming about because he was pretty much abandoned by his clan, including his father. Balram was the only one who stuck him at the time. Balram had not yet raped Yamuna.

Without thinking of who adult Krishna was, think of a teenager who was out of the protective environment of Gokul for the first time.

Balram was the only family who actually stuck by Krishna. He finally met someone who was willing to help. Parasu Ram then gave him a job to do – get rid of evil kshatriyas like Jarasandha. How is this not a noble goal? How primed do you think Krishna was at the time to do exactly that and also to stick as closely to Balram as possible?

2. http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_041.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_042.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_043.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_044.html

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_045.html

See what happens next:

They seem to spend months, maybe years hiding out.

They watched the rise of moon, the best among stars. Standing on the mountain, they watched the rising and setting of planets.

Then the valiant, auspicious sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma), appearing like an elephant roamed on the peak of the mountain, without kR^iShNa.

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After drinking that liquor again and again with desire, his body was swaying with intoxication.

Knowing that kR^iShNa's elder brother has become intoxicated with kadamba liquor, three divine women who speak pleasantly arrived there. madirA taking a form, kAnti the beloved of moon and the goddess shrI, the best woman with lotus on her flag.

Madira says this: O endless! (eternal), faultless (sinless)! I will not leave you even if you abuse me. O deva! Without you, I do not wish to be in this world.

Kanti: after madirA, kAnti came near sa~NkarShaNa (balarAma). Due to intoxication her hair was loose and her eyes were rolling.

The goddess shrI, resident of the lotus, attached to viShNu's chest, having faultless limbs who sparkles as an auspicious garland on the chest of the son of rohiNI (balarAma)… You are decorated by (joined with) vAruNi along with kAnti and me like the moon god. She gives him a crown.

Then Garuda arrives and offers alliance against Indra. son of vinatA (garuDa) arrived there immediately with tremendous speed, ready for battle

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Krishna says: Taking a divine form similar to indra (shakra), vairochana had taken away my crown while I was sleeping in the great ocean.

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The crown, taken away (by virochana) in the form of a large fish was brought back by garuDa. garuDa has captured my crown which was lost while I was sleeping on the serpent (bed).

Jarasandha arrives: It is clear that king jarAsaMdha has come near us. The tips of the flags of the chariots are seen flapping in the wind.

Krishna says: It is appropriate that the earth, tired of the weight, went to heaven. She was suffering due to the vast armies of these lion-like kings.

Jarasandh’s army: large powerful horses which were mounted by experts in arms.

chariots ready for battle

elephants

many soldiers mounted on horses

The powerful, infantry

four divisions of the army

stone pelting machines, oars and iron clubs. Keep your knives and spears raised up

From today, my army shall begin to blockade the mountain. Let us kill these two sons of vasudeva.

The king of chedi spoke like maghavAn (indra) of the deva-s: … The peak, full of tall trees is difficult to climb. Surrounding the mountain all around with lot of firewood and grass, let us set fire now itself quickly. Nothing else need to be done.

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If they feel the heat and come out near us, we can fell them together. Then they will lose their lives.

Then, Balram (still drunks) does something stupid: Then rAma (balarAma) spoke these words, angrily, to the killer of keshi (kR^iShNa)…

kR^iShNa! Because of enmity to us, the powerful lords of the earth (kings), O Son, are burning this mountain along with its peaks and trees.

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O the best among fighters, we should kill all the kShatrya-s (kings) with our own hands.

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Speaking thus, splendorous bala (balarAma), the youth wearing a garland of wild flowers, jumped down from the peak, as if the moon (arising) from the peak of (the mountain) meru.

With his eyes intoxicated by kAdambari, … the elder brother of kR^ShNa (balarAma) jumped down among the kings.

Then, I think Krishna broke a dam or some such: Then hari (kR^iShNa) pressed down the best among mountains with his foot.

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Water seeped from the rocks like water given out by an elephant in rut. With that water all fire was extinguished immediately.

after rAma, the valiant kR^iShNa jumped (from the mountain).

During this time, Krishna already had his bow, mace, and chakra, presumable given by Parasu Ram or one of the allies who arrived. After this, while fighting for survival, Balram and Jarasandha again face off. Balram once again spares Jarasandha’s life as it was supposedly not to be taken that day. I think he was simply let go. He then escaped. The other kings scattered.

Then, kings of Chedi and Karusha come and say THIS: O son of yAdava (kR^iShNa)! I am the husband of your father's sister. O Lord! I like you. I have come to you along with my army.

I told the king jarAsaMdha, having less intellect: O one with bad intellect! Stop your fight with kR^iShNa.

He was abandoned by me, who rejected my words. Defeated in the battle, jarAsaMdha is running away along with his followers.

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Now you should leave this place full of dead men, meat eating animals and birds and served by non-human beings.

kR^iShNa! Let us go to the city of karavIra, along with my army. There we can see the king shR^igAla, vAsudeva.

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(kR^iShNa said:) Oh! You, as a relative, have treated us, distressed by the battle, with the cool shower of your words suitable to the place and time.

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O The lord of ched-s! Seeing you today, we have become enriched with a leader. Now there is nothing impossible for us, with you as a relative.

See how desperately grateful Krishna sounds?

Then: Knowing that they (balarAma and kR^iShNa) have arrived, shR^igAla, full of false pride of fighting, valiant as indra, came out thinking that the city was under assault.

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Then there was a terrific battle between the two, like a battle in the forest between two elephants in rut.

I will not fight you who are alone, with my army. I alone will fight with you who are alone. Now let us both fight.

If you are killed, then I will be the only vAsudeva in the world. If I am killed, you will be the only vAsudeva.

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discus killed the powerful shR^igAla

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All the ministers cried along with the people.

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his wives arrived with crying faces accompanied by sons.

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His queen named padmAvatI, the best among women, came, crying to vAsudeva (kR^iShNa) along with her son.

(padmAvatI said :) O valiant! The son of the one who was felled by you in the battle and who is dead has come to you for protection.

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(vaishampAyana said: O janamejaya!) Hearing the words of the queen, the son of yadu (kR^iShNa), the best among speakers, spoke these words sweetly.

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O virtuous woman! My anger has gone with your sinless words. There is no doubt that this son of shR^igAla is my son as well.

I will protect him. I will also install him (as the king) comfortably. We shall summon the preceptors, ministers etc., (for the installation).

Then, Krishna and Balram return to Mathura. See what happens: All the residents including common men, ministers as suitable, old and young men and the entire city welcomed them.

To summarize: with support from the following allies: Krishna won support from Parasu Ram who then taught him about ridding the world of evil kings. This was followed by alliance with Madira (who Balram may have married), Kanti, and Shri. I believe this was Panchali. Perhaps she was the daughter of one of the sages. With that, Krishna and Balram won the support of all the sages who lived on Gomantam.

NOTE: Drupad was part of the group assembled by Jarasandh to attack Krishna here.

After the defeat of Jarasandha, Chedi King lies that he was Krishna’s side all the time and takes him to Shringala to make another alliance. Shringala attacks, instead. Krishna does kill Shringala but makes an ally of the man’s son. Does this sound like a man looking out ONLY for himself?

Then, once Krishna has all these allies, Yadavas are only too happy to accept him back.

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Not sure whether HV is trustable source but most ppl follow Vishnupuran due to 10 vishnu avtar and some say 10 are vishnu imp avtar and there are more added to it as well

Vishnupurana is a later text.

First text composed by Vyasa was Mahabharat.

Mahabharat focused on bharat vansh (kouravas and pandavas).

Vyasa being a fan of Krishna also made a similar composition on Krishna called Harivansh. Focus of Harivansh is Krishna and his life from birth to death.

Vyasa recited and his four disciples memorized these two texts.

Then Arjuna's grandson parikshit on his deathbed was very depressed and Suka Who was Vyasa's son And one of the disciples narrated Harivansh to calm him and help him die peacefully. Vyasa had already declared Krishna as vishnu incarnation by then

but Suka being a Krishna devotee unlike Vyasa went over the top devotional. He over glorified Krishna, whitewashed Balram Samba etc made Krishna the supreme incarnation of Vishnu.

Then Janmejaya Parikshit's son did the snake sacrifice yagya to kill all the nagas in the world because Parikshit died due to Takshak's bite.

To stop that yagya and teach Janmejaya futility of war Vaishyamapayan the other disciple of Vyasa narrated Mahabharat.

He further narrated Harivansh to Janmejaya also.

One of the attendees of the cancelled SNAKE SACRIFICE was ugrashrava sauti who then narrated this Mahabharat and Harivansh at the Naimisharanya conclave of Rishis. Which is the text of MB And Harivansh that we have now.

The ugrashrava one.

Harivansh in one of the chapters has details of otHer vishnu avatars As well as genealogy of kings of other clans apart from Bharat Vansh And Krishna/Harivansh.

In Naimisharanya the rishis present there asked for these to be elaborated upon and Vishnu incarnations chapter was expanded into Vishnu Puran and genealogy of Other clans also as a major part of it. Matsya puran was then formed from genealogy Of other kings part of Vishnu Purana.

So primary text is MB, one charachter spin off of that MB was Harivansh. Harivansh was converted into two separate books Vhagavatham which devotional in nature and vishnu puran which is historical. The content remains the same. Vishnu puran then spun off into Matsya and Kurma purans as well.

Parallely Shakta devotees created the skanda and devi bhagvatham on the same foundational material of Vyasa while Shiva devotees created the Vayu, Agni and Shiv puran.

Later composers picked up bits and pieces from these puranas and made the others.

Vyasa like Valmiki presented the history as is

He did not paint the charachters as pure black or pure white.

Rape, pre marital sex, genocide murders, cheating and lies were all depicted as is.

Just like in valmiki ramayana Ravana pulls sita by her hair and then holds her by her waist drages her on his lap as he sits on his chariot/vimana to take her away. This is original sita by the way Ravan Is molesting

In Tulsidas's ramcharitmanas Sita is goddess now and no demon can then touch her otherwise she will not be goddess so we have Sita first replaced by a vedavati/chaya sita and then this vedavati is also not touched rather ravana dugs and lifts up the piece of land she is standing on

All that mental gymnastics because Sita the Goddess cannot be defiled.

Similar Vyasa in Harivansh shows Balram the way he was powerdrunk rapist. But in bhagwatham Krishna is God and balram has to be whitewashed now as God cannot have evil brother and most inportantly whose evil God did not try to stop or prevent or punish.

So bhagvatham etc is same as ramcharitmanas a devotional text where the God and his family are heights of purity and piety

Vishnu puran is an inbetween text, where unsavoury parts have been simply removed and only good parts kept

I bet this swastika lok didn't read any of these and read comic and showing kuchbhi..

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Can u give author name to buy and read to me

Author name is Ved Vyas

I think it's available on net for free.

Just that I am too lazy n am procastinating

Originally posted by: Chiillii

First text composed by Vyasa was Mahabharat.

Mahabharat focused on bharat vansh (kouravas and pandavas).

Vyasa being a fan of Krishna also made a similar composition on Krishna called Harivansh. Focus of Harivansh is Krishna and his life from birth to death.

Vyasa recited and his four disciples memorized these two texts.

Then Arjuna's grandson parikshit on his deathbed was very depressed and Suka Who was Vyasa's son And one of the disciples narrated Harivansh to calm him and help him die peacefully. Vyasa had already declared Krishna as vishnu incarnation by then

but Suka being a Krishna devotee unlike Vyasa went over the top devotional. He over glorified Krishna, whitewashed Balram Samba etc made Krishna the supreme incarnation of Vishnu.

Then Janmejaya Parikshit's son did the snake sacrifice yagya to kill all the nagas in the world because Parikshit died due to Takshak's bite.

To stop that yagya and teach Janmejaya futility of war Vaishyamapayan the other disciple of Vyasa narrated Mahabharat.

He further narrated Harivansh to Janmejaya also.

One of the attendees of the cancelled SNAKE SACRIFICE was ugrashrava sauti who then narrated this Mahabharat and Harivansh at the Naimisharanya conclave of Rishis. Which is the text of MB And Harivansh that we have now.

The ugrashrava one.

Harivansh in one of the chapters has details of otHer vishnu avatars As well as genealogy of kings of other clans apart from Bharat Vansh And Krishna/Harivansh.

In Naimisharanya the rishis present there asked for these to be elaborated upon and Vishnu incarnations chapter was expanded into Vishnu Puran and genealogy of Other clans also as a major part of it. Matsya puran was then formed from genealogy Of other kings part of Vishnu Purana.

So primary text is MB, one charachter spin off of that MB was Harivansh. Harivansh was converted into two separate books Vhagavatham which devotional in nature and vishnu puran which is historical. The content remains the same. Vishnu puran then spun off into Matsya and Kurma purans as well.

Parallely Shakta devotees created the skanda and devi bhagvatham on the same foundational material of Vyasa while Shiva devotees created the Vayu, Agni and Shiv puran.

Later composers picked up bits and pieces from these puranas and made the others.

@Bold I think the book Said to have been narrated by Sukn rishi to Parikshit is Sreemad Bhagwatam and not HV. The book has many different narrations from HV. Like in SB Kansa imprisons Devaki Vasudev not so in HV where he is just monitoring them in their house

The author However is either an interpolation or a wrong attribution to Sukn rishi n Parikshit since this is definitely a much later book approximately of the Gupta period

Parshuram met Krishna on the way to hastinapur prior to the peace mission. He Narada and Kanwa Rishi tried to persuade Duryodhan that war is futile. So Parshuram met Krishna twice in his life.

Once to advice plan of action against Jarasandh. He is the one who advises Krishna to take up Vishnu's weapons (convey to the people of his time that he is avatar, create the propaganda of his being vishnu as Krishna was completely isolated at that point with no help or allies)

From here on Krishna starts gathering weapons that are named after Vishnu's weapons and creates that image with Narada's help.

In the following battle with Narada he uses sword mace and bow which appear out of thin air and are called Nandaka Koumodaki and Sharanga respectively. While Balram uses a plough he manages to lay his hands on.

While saving the son of his rishi from pirates he avquires a conch and it is called as Panchajanya and then in khandavaforest burning he gets his discuss sudarshan to complete the image.

One serial showed Krishna recieving the bow sword mace and discuss from Parshuram. Though it is not so.

Parshuram merely tells him they should appear out of nowhere and addressed them with those names.

Basically telling Krishna, boss I was in your position after killing Kartavirya Arjuna. I was ostracised and all alone too. Then this propaganda of being vishnu avatar which I tried with Rama Dasratha' help enabled me to salvage my image and help me settle down in peace. I was unwelcome and living in isolation then, now atleast I have ashram and disciples and kings dont come after my family with revenge in their heart. You should try the same.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

@Bold I think the book Said to have been narrated by Sukn rishi to Parikshit is Sreemad Bhagwatam and not HV. The book has many different narrations from HV. Like in SB Kansa imprisons Devaki Vasudev not so in HV where he is just monitoring them in their house

The author However is either an interpolation or a wrong attribution to Sukn rishi n Parikshit since this is definitely a much later book approximately of the Gupta period

Are not all the Puranas attributed to Veda Vyasa?