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Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali
I have a sudden urge to open whatever you want to talk about part 3 here 😆
Oh, pls don't😆. I haven't gotten over the previous one.
Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali
I have a sudden urge to open whatever you want to talk about part 3 here 😆
Oh, pls don't😆. I haven't gotten over the previous one.
Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali
Add me.
Hi. Shyam and sabhayaya
Adhya/poorabhforever here. In case you get confused.
Hey Adhya!! Hope you're doing good!
Originally posted by: Krishnapanchali
Shyam don't yoy know SKT visits this forum. Don't give him ideas 😆
Plot Twist: I am SKT 🤣🤣🤣
Originally posted by: HearMeRoar
Hello, FP
Hi HearMeRoar
Could you help me with this blog.
According to him Karna is called as trunk of spiritual tree and the main protagonist by Vyasa.
According to this BORI calls both Draupadi humiliation and Karna's involvement in Bheem Poisoning as Interpolation
Could you share your views on this
https://karnaarjuna.blogspot.com/2017/10/misconceptions-about-radheya-karna.html?m=1
WIll answer in a moment. FP, could you edit your post to delete "fan"? It's against forum rules. Just say this blog says so.
doneOriginally posted by: HearMeRoar
WIll answer in a moment. FP, could you edit your post to delete "fan"? It's against forum rules. Just say this blog says so.
Waiting for your reply
BORI CE, Vol 1, Anukramanika Parva
‘Duryodhana is a great tree created out of passion, Karna is its trunk, Shakuni is itsbranches, Duhshashana is the plentiful fruit and flowers and the mindless Dhritarashtra is itsroot. Yudhishthira is a great tree created out of righteousness, Arjuna is its trunk, Bhima is itsbranches, the two sons of Madri27 are its plentiful fruit and flowers, and Krishna, Brahmaand the Brahmanas are the root.
65 duryodhano manyumayo mahādrumaḥ; skandhaḥ karṇaḥ śakunis tasya śākhāḥ
duḥśāsanaḥ puṣpaphale samṛddhe; mūlaṃ rājā dhṛtarāṣṭro 'manīṣī
66 yudhiṣṭhiro dharmamayo mahādrumaḥ; skandho 'rjuno bhīmaseno 'sya śākhāḥ
mādrī sutau puṣpaphale samṛddhe; mūlaṃ kṛṣṇo brahma ca brāhmaṇāś ca
Debroy sir has translated manyumayo as "of passion." It translates better to of wrath or resentment. So the above mentioned blog is wrong in calling Karna the trunk of spiritual tree.
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BORI CE, Vol 1, Adi-vamshavatarana Parva, 55
‘“Thereupon, the evil-minded Duryodhana, with Karna and the son of Subala,13 tried tobanish them and oppressed them in various ways. That evil son of Dhritarashtra gave poisonto Bhima with his food, but the warrior Vrikodara14 digested it. One day, the evil one tiedthe sleeping Vrikodara on the banks of the Ganga and throwing Bhima into the water wentaway to the city. But when the son of Kunti woke up, he tore the ropes with which he wastied with his strong arms and Bhima’s pains disappeared. While he was asleep, he was bitteneverywhere in his body by black snakes with virulent poison, but that destroyer of enemiesdid not die. However, in all this oppression, the great-souled Vidura was always on guard, toneutralize the evil plans and save them from oppression.
8 tato duryodhanaḥ krūraḥ karṇaś ca sahasaubalaḥ
teṣāṃ nigrahanirvāsān vividhāṃs te samācaran
9 dadāv atha viṣaṃ pāpo bhīmāya dhṛtarāṣṭrajaḥ
jarayām āsa tad vīraḥ sahānnena vṛkodaraḥ
10 pramāṇa koṭyāṃ saṃsuptaṃ punar baddhvā vṛkodaram
toyeṣu bhīmaṃ gaṅgāyāḥ prakṣipya puram āvrajat
11 yadā prabuddhaḥ kaunteyas tadā saṃchidya bandhanam
udatiṣṭhan mahārāja bhīmaseno gatavyathaḥ
12 āśīviṣaiḥ kṛṣṇasarpaiḥ suptaṃ cainam adaṃśayat
sarveṣv evāṅgadeśeṣu na mamāra ca śatruhā
13 teṣāṃ tu viprakāreṣu teṣu teṣu mahāmatiḥ
mokṣaṇe pratighāte ca viduro 'vahito 'bhavat
CE does not call Karna's involvement in Bheema's poisoning interpolation.
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BORI CE, Dyuta Parva, 286 (61)
When the noise died down, Radheya, whowas almost senseless with anger, gripped his lustrous arms212 and uttered these words, “Ihave witnessed many distortions in Vikarna. Like fire destroys the block from which it hasbeen kindled, his destruction will come from the fire he has created. Though urged byKrishna, those who are assembled here have not uttered a word. I consider that Drupada’sdaughter has been won in accordance with dharma, and so do they. O son of Dhritarashtra!Out of childishness, you alone are being torn to bits. Though but a child, you speak in thissabha what should be spoken by elders. O Duryodhana’s younger brother! You do not knowthe reality of what dharma is. Like one with limited intelligence, you proclaim that Krishna
has not been won, when she has been won. O Dhritarashtra’s son! How can you think thatKrishna has not been won? In this sabha, the eldest Pandava staked everything he possessed.O bull among the Bharata lineage! Droupadi is included in all his possessions. When Krishnahas been won in accordance with dharma, how can you think she has not been won?Droupadi was mentioned in the speech and the Pandava approved. According to what reasondo you then think that she has not been won? If you think that bringing her into the sabhawhen she is clad in only a single garment is against dharma, listen to the words I have to sayin response. O descendant of the Kuru lineage!213 It has been ordained by the gods that awoman should only have one husband. However, she submits to many and it is thereforecertain that she is a courtesan. It is my view that there is nothing surprising in her beingbrought into the sabha in a single garment, or even if she is naked. In accordance withdharma, Soubala has won all the riches the Pandavas possessed, including her andthemselves. O Duhshasana! This Vikarna is only a child, though he speaks words of wisdom.Strip away the garments from the Pandavas and Droupadi.” O descendant of the Bharatalineage! On hearing these words, the Pandavas took off their upper garments and sat down inthe sabha. O king! Then Duhshasana forcibly tugged at Droupadi’s garments. In front ofeveryone in the sabha, he forcibly pulled. O lord of the earth! As Droupadi’s garment wasbeing tugged away, another similar garment appeared every time.214 At this, a terribleuproar arose. All the assembled kings witnessed the most extraordinary sight in the worldsand approved.
26 tasminn uparate śabde rādheyaḥ krodhamūrchitaḥ
pragṛhya ruciraṃ bāhum idaṃ vacanam abravīt
27 dṛśyante vai vikarṇe hi vaikṛtāni bahūny api
tajjas tasya vināśāya yathāgnir araṇi prajaḥ
28 ete na kiṃ cid apy āhuś codyamānāpi kṛṣṇayā
dharmeṇa vijitāṃ manye manyante drupadātmajām
29 tvaṃ tu kevalabālyena dhārtarāṣṭra vidīryase
yad bravīṣi sabhāmadhye bālaḥ sthavira bhāṣitam
30 na ca dharmaṃ yathātattvaṃ vetsi duryodhanāvara
yad bravīṣi jitāṃ kṛṣṇām ajiteti sumandadhīḥ
31 kathaṃ hy avijitāṃ kṛṣṇāṃ manyase dhṛtarāṣṭraja
yadā sabhāyāṃ sarvasvaṃ nyastavān pāṇḍavāgrajaḥ
32 abhyantarā ca sarvasve draupadī bharatarṣabha
evaṃ dharmajitāṃ kṛṣṇāṃ manyase na jitāṃ katham
33 kīrtitā draupadī vācā anujñātā ca pāṇḍavaiḥ
bhavaty avijitā kena hetunaiṣā matā tava
34 manyase vā sabhām etām ānītām ekavāsasam
adharmeṇeti tatrāpi śṛṇu me vākyam uttaram
35 eko bhartā striyā devair vihitaḥ kurunandana
iyaṃ tv anekavaśagā bandhakīti viniścitā
36 asyāḥ sabhām ānayanaṃ na citram iti me matiḥ
ekāmbara dharatvaṃ vāpy atha vāpi vivastratā
37 yac caiṣāṃ draviṇaṃ kiṃ cid yā caiṣā ye ca pāṇḍavāḥ
saubaleneha tat sarvaṃ dharmeṇa vijitaṃ vasu
38 duḥśāsana subālo 'yaṃ vikarṇaḥ prājñavādikaḥ
pāṇḍavānāṃ ca vāsāṃsi draupadyāś cāpy upāhara
39 tac chrutvā pāṇḍavāḥ sarve svāni vāsāṃsi bhārata
avakīryottarīyāṇi sabhāyāṃ samupāviśat
40 tato duḥśāsano rājan draupadyā vasanaṃ balāt
sabhāmadhye samākṣipya vyapakraṣṭuṃ pracakrame
41 ākṛṣyamāṇe vasane draupadyās tu viśāṃ pate
tad rūpam aparaṃ vastraṃ prādurāsīd anekaśaḥ
42 tato halahalāśabdas tatrāsīd ghoranisvanaḥ
tad adbhutatamaṃ loke vīkṣya sarvamahīkṣitām
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If the blogger is talking about the Prologmena, I happen to have a copy. There is no mention of either the poisoning or the assault being interpolations. Nor does it say Karna was the trunk of the spiritual tree.
I was feeling masochistic, so I actually read that blog post 😆.
Manyumayo = of wrath or resentment
Manyu = Passion, rage, anger, spirit (not spiritual)
He's trying to pass off spirit as spiritual.
The 1st sentence in poisoning episode mentions Karna, but the 2nd sentence which actually contains the plot does not. Poor Vyasa. 😆
Re: Panchali episode. She was wearing one garment. Forget the fact he wouldn't know if women went topless in "those days," stripping the one garment meant she was made completely naked. I don't understand where he is getting the impression Karna didn't order that assault.
Mention of vastrahara outside the dice hall This from CE- Gada yudh parva.
Having attained the other shore of the enmity, Vrikodara laughed and softly spoke these words to Yudhishthira, Keshava, the Srinjayas, Dhananjaya and Madri’s two sons. ‘Droupadi was in her season and they disrespected her. They deprived her of her garment there. Behold. Through Yajnaseni’s39 austerities, in the battle, the sons of Dhritarashtra have been slain by the Pandavas.
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