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Posted: 5 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: stormborn


I too thought Mohini was a avatar. So I googled. All sites are saying that the avtars are----- matsya, Kurma, barah, nrisingha, bamana, Rama, parasurama, krishna, balarama/Buddha, Kalki.

The 9th one is not clarified anywhere. This people have already shown balarama as seshnag. So they can't show him as Vishnu. And if it's Buddha, well I don't know why a Narayan incarnation would create another religion other than Hinduism. According to some scholars, the Brahmanical society created the myth of Buddha being Vishnu's incarnation to merge Buddhism with Hinduism as buddism was spreading rapidly and they felt insecure. Anyway we don't need to bother about that here because Radha has to cover only 7 steps. Therefore only 7 incarnations are to be shown. They will stop after parsuram. They didn't show the Amrit story because that didn't include any Krishna incarnation as Mohini is not being considered here.

Now I know very less about mythology. So Madhuri (viswashruti ) is the right person to clarify this. Though I think Swastik people are just following Wikipedia and wiki doesn't include Mohini.

In both Mahabharata and Bhagavata, Mohini is referred simply as an enchanting, female form of Vishnu, an avatar for a specific purpose, a momentary one, to deviate the attention of Asurs from Amrit and to distribute the Amrit to Devatas, helping them retain their immortality. But in the later versions, Mohini is described as Maya (illusion) of Vishnu. Once the Mohini legend becomes popular, it was expanded in the added versions of the puranas , retold and re-written and these tales of Mohini-Vishnu gradually gained popularity, in the 10th century onward versions of Mahabharata where Mohini becomes formal Avatar of Vishnu. The most famous and prominent tale of her life is her union with Shiva!! It was mentioned in the Brahmanda Purana and according to Bhagwat Purana, after Vishnu deceives the demons by his Maya, the female form, Shiva wanted to meet her again, so he immediately visited Vishnu along with his wife Parvati, and asked him to take the form of Mohini again. When Vishnu turned himself into a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. Overcome by lust, Lord Shiva ran behind the enchanting Mohini and grabbed her arms and embraced her but she escaped!!!! During her violent coupling, Shiva’s seed fell on the ground and that led to the birth of another God known as Ayyappa! Strictly speaking, Mohini does not have an independent existence, she exists only as a temporary form and is transformed back into Vishnu after serving her purpose. That is why the Vedic scripts never considered her as Vishnu's Avtar.

Regarding Buddha as the 9th incarnation of Vishnu--- Buddha was never mentioned as an Avtar of Vishnu in Vedic and puranic scriptures. By adopting Buddha into the Hindu pantheon was a way of trying to neutralize the popularity of Buddhism at that time! Jayadeva, the Geeta Govinda poet included Buddha as the 9th Avtar of Vishnu in his Dasavatara Varnan! [ Description of 10Incarnations of Lord Vishnu]

Nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha shruti-jatam

Sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatham

Keshava dhruta-buddha-sarira jaya jagadisa hare !

Translation--

[Victory to Keshava , the lord of the Universe,

Who assumed the form of Buddha,

Who found fault with fire sacrifices,

In which poor animals were sacrificed,

As prescribed in the Vedas due to his compassionate heart.]

And surprisingly he mentioned Balarama as Lord Vishnu's Avtar --

Vahasi vapusi visade vasanam jaladabham

Hala-hati-bhiti-milita-yamunabham

Keshava dhruta-haladhara-rupa jaya jagadisa hare 8

[Victory to Keshava , the lord of the Universe,

Who assumed the form of Balarama,

Who wore cloths of colour of The River,

Yamuna over his white body and made,

The river fears his weapon of the plough.]

In another Ashtapadi he described Dasavataras like this ---

vedan uddharate jaganti vahate bhugolam udbibhrate

daityam darayate balim chalayate kshatra kshayam kurvate

paulastyam jayate halam kalayate karunyam atanvate

mlecchan murccayate dasaktikrite krishnaya tubhyam namaha

Translation--

“O Krishna, He who accept ten incarnations! I offer my obeisances unto You for saving the Vedic scriptures as Matsya-incarnation; You help up the universe as Kurma-incarnation, and lifted up the world as Varaha, the Boar incarnation; as Nrishimha You vanquished Hiranyakashipu; as Vamana You deceived Bali Maharaja; as Parashurama You exterminated the corrupt warrior class; as Rama You slew Ravana; as Balarama You took up the plough; as Buddha You bestowed compassion, and as Kalki You kill the Mlecchas.”

Adi Shankaracharya, a scholar from the first half of the 8th century CE, played an important part in paving the way for protecting the Vedic culture by using his own imagined philosophy, Mayavada, based on his own interpretation of some of the Vedic stanzas, to defeat Buddhism at that time and later Buddhism with it's similar principles of Hinduism [ Brahminism they called it at that time!] If this Lord Buddha is an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, then Sri Sankaracharya’s connection to Him requires further elaboration and analysis. Adi Sankaracharya never mentioned or accepted Buddha as an incarnation of Vishnu.So there are different versions regarding this matter. It is a vast subject and many researchers followed different paths to establish or to question this theory of Buddha as an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. With my very limited knowledge, I tried my best to tell you only this much.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#52

Thanks for the responses back. Btw I know that Mohini is not an official avatar sorry that I didn’t make that clear😳it was a quick post before my class. I was just kind of mad how they overlooked the importance of the amrit.

Thanks for the beautiful explanation Viswasruti. If only CVs could be as knowledgeable as you.

I hope it is being watched as a contemporary drama. I just know some people who are believing this to be true. And when I try to explain it not fully true they ignore me so I have given up. 😆 the show has a great cast with not so great writers.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: stormborn


I too thought Mohini was a avatar. So I googled. All sites are saying that the avtars are----- matsya, Kurma, barah, nrisingha, bamana, Rama, parasurama, krishna, balarama/Buddha, Kalki.

The 9th one is not clarified anywhere. This people have already shown balarama as seshnag. So they can't show him as Vishnu. And if it's Buddha, well I don't know why a Narayan incarnation would create another religion other than Hinduism. According to some scholars, the Brahmanical society created the myth of Buddha being Vishnu's incarnation to merge Buddhism with Hinduism as buddism was spreading rapidly and they felt insecure. Anyway we don't need to bother about that here because Radha has to cover only 7 steps. Therefore only 7 incarnations are to be shown. They will stop after parsuram. They didn't show the Amrit story because that didn't include any Krishna incarnation as Mohini is not being considered here.

Now I know very less about mythology. So Madhuri (viswashruti ) is the right person to clarify this. Though I think Swastik people are just following Wikipedia and wiki doesn't include Mohini.

Mohini is not an awatar by itself. It came in as a part of the amrit manthan so that the asuras are distracted and they dont really look into where the nectar is going. So Vishnu came in as Mohini and started distributing the nectar first to the devas and then the asuras. The awatars that you have stated above are the ones that are in our scriptures as well.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

In both Mahabharata and Bhagavata, Mohini is referred simply as an enchanting, female form of Vishnu, an avatar for a specific purpose, a momentary one, to deviate the attention of Asurs from Amrit and to distribute the Amrit to Devatas, helping them retain their immortality. But in the later versions, Mohini is described as Maya (illusion) of Vishnu. Once the Mohini legend becomes popular, it was expanded in the added versions of the puranas , retold and re-written and these tales of Mohini-Vishnu gradually gained popularity, in the 10th century onward versions of Mahabharata where Mohini becomes formal Avatar of Vishnu. The most famous and prominent tale of her life is her union with Shiva!! It was mentioned in the Brahmanda Purana and according to Bhagwat Purana, after Vishnu deceives the demons by his Maya, the female form, Shiva wanted to meet her again, so he immediately visited Vishnu along with his wife Parvati, and asked him to take the form of Mohini again. When Vishnu turned himself into a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. Overcome by lust, Lord Shiva ran behind the enchanting Mohini and grabbed her arms and embraced her but she escaped!!!! During her violent coupling, Shiva’s seed fell on the ground and that led to the birth of another God known as Ayyappa! Strictly speaking, Mohini does not have an independent existence, she exists only as a temporary form and is transformed back into Vishnu after serving her purpose. That is why the Vedic scripts never considered her as Vishnu's Avtar.

Regarding Buddha as the 9th incarnation of Vishnu--- Buddha was never mentioned as an Avtar of Vishnu in Vedic and puranic scriptures. By adopting Buddha into the Hindu pantheon was a way of trying to neutralize the popularity of Buddhism at that time! Jayadeva, the Geeta Govinda poet included Buddha as the 9th Avtar of Vishnu in his Dasavatara Varnan! [ Description of 10Incarnations of Lord Vishnu]

Nindasi yajna-vidher ahaha shruti-jatam

Sadaya-hrdaya darsita-pasu-ghatham

Keshava dhruta-buddha-sarira jaya jagadisa hare !

Translation--

[Victory to Keshava , the lord of the Universe,

Who assumed the form of Buddha,

Who found fault with fire sacrifices,

In which poor animals were sacrificed,

As prescribed in the Vedas due to his compassionate heart.]

And surprisingly he mentioned Balarama as Lord Vishnu's Avtar --

Vahasi vapusi visade vasanam jaladabham

Hala-hati-bhiti-milita-yamunabham

Keshava dhruta-haladhara-rupa jaya jagadisa hare 8

[Victory to Keshava , the lord of the Universe,

Who assumed the form of Balarama,

Who wore cloths of colour of The River,

Yamuna over his white body and made,

The river fears his weapon of the plough.]

In another Ashtapadi he described Dasavataras like this ---

vedan uddharate jaganti vahate bhugolam udbibhrate

daityam darayate balim chalayate kshatra kshayam kurvate

paulastyam jayate halam kalayate karunyam atanvate

mlecchan murccayate dasaktikrite krishnaya tubhyam namaha

Translation--

“O Krishna, He who accept ten incarnations! I offer my obeisances unto You for saving the Vedic scriptures as Matsya-incarnation; You help up the universe as Kurma-incarnation, and lifted up the world as Varaha, the Boar incarnation; as Nrishimha You vanquished Hiranyakashipu; as Vamana You deceived Bali Maharaja; as Parashurama You exterminated the corrupt warrior class; as Rama You slew Ravana; as Balarama You took up the plough; as Buddha You bestowed compassion, and as Kalki You kill the Mlecchas.”

Adi Shankaracharya, a scholar from the first half of the 8th century CE, played an important part in paving the way for protecting the Vedic culture by using his own imagined philosophy, Mayavada, based on his own interpretation of some of the Vedic stanzas, to defeat Buddhism at that time and later Buddhism with it's similar principles of Hinduism [ Brahminism they called it at that time!] If this Lord Buddha is an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, then Sri Sankaracharya’s connection to Him requires further elaboration and analysis. Adi Sankaracharya never mentioned or accepted Buddha as an incarnation of Vishnu.So there are different versions regarding this matter. It is a vast subject and many researchers followed different paths to establish or to question this theory of Buddha as an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. With my very limited knowledge, I tried my best to tell you only this much.

ahhhh, i missed reading this and hence made a short post. But glad that you have given a detailed response M :) :)

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Posted: 5 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: Janu808

Thanks for the responses back. Btw I know that Mohini is not an official avatar sorry that I didn’t make that clear😳it was a quick post before my class. I was just kind of mad how they overlooked the importance of the amrit.

Thanks for the beautiful explanation Viswasruti. If only CVs could be as knowledgeable as you.

I hope it is being watched as a contemporary drama. I just know some people who are believing this to be true. And when I try to explain it not fully true they ignore me so I have given up. 😆 the show has a great cast with not so great writers.

ha ha ha ... even i know thaat many believe what is shown in this show to be like 100% accurate!! You cannot correct them as they will fight back with you LOL ...

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Posted: 5 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: Viswasruti

Contemporary drama, you are rightly stated J ! 👏In every serial, there should be a cruel MIL , yes Jatila is there to fill that role! The heroine must be a dumb headed docile Dil, Radha fitted herself in that place , the hero must be a 'wayward Godlike' confused soul , Krishna adjusted himself there and there must be a few scapegoats to fill the many gaps, Brindavan people are there to represent, and they need a whimsical funny character, they allotted that role to Balram, who was otherwise a serious Godhead with a serious purpose, he was there to be with Krishna in his future pursuits to oppose or to support Him! He was never a mere shadow of Krishna in the actual depiction!

@red: That's my biggest concern from the show! As his character is the only reason i watch the show, it irks me, when he's being shown, just as a sidekick or krishna's 'POOCCH'

Why can't he be strongheaded and take right decisions.🤔 CHAMCHA banaake rakh diya, ussko!

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Posted: 5 years ago
#57

Rishi vashistha was trying to get sidhhi of mahavidya tara from a long time. But wasnt getting any success. He met brhmaji, who advised him to try again. Vashistha did penance of mahavidya tara's mantra for 1000 years. But didn't get any sign from goddess. Out of anger, he prepared to curse the mantra. Goddess saraswati appeared, she told him to go to budhha, who is vishnu. He only knows path of attaining sidhhi of mahavidya tara, who liberstes.

She asked him to go to tibet. Vashistha was highly surprised. He went to tibet. Prayed to vishnu in form of budhha, who showed him non vedic path of worshipping devi through veera bhava. Following budhha's instructions, vashistha attained sidhhi of goddess tara, tarini soon.

Many of us consider budhhism as a monistic path. But they are a strong shakti worshiping sect. Main deity is goddess tara- neel saraswati.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: mnx12

Rishi Vashisistha was trying to get siddhi of maha vidya tara from a long time. But wasn't getting any success. He met brhmaji, who advised him to try again. Vashistha did penance of maha vidya tara's mantra for 1000 years. But didn't get any sign from the goddess. Out of anger, he prepared to curse the mantra. Goddess Saraswati appeared, she told him to go to Budhha, who is Vishnu. He only knows the path of attaining sidhhi of mahavidya tara, who liberstes.

She asked him to go to Tibet. Vashistha was highly surprised. He went to Tibet. Prayed to Vishnu in the form of Budha, who showed him the non-Vedic path of worshipping Devi through Veera bhava. Following Budhha's instructions, vashistha attained siddhi of goddess tara, tarini soon.

Many of us consider budhhism as a monistic path. But they are a strong shakti worshiping sect. Main deity is goddess tara- Neel Saraswati.

Thanks for sharing this vital and authentic information [ means Saraswati guided Vasishta to meet Buddha, the incarnation of Lord Vishnu] regarding Budha as an Avtaar of Vishnu, Minakshi.🤗 Yes, in common perception, Buddhism was considered as Monistic path.

I heard about Tara being the Deity of triumph, worshipped by business people for success. Maa Tara who is described as a kind, compassionate gentle and spirited diety eager to help and protect her devotees as per Buddhists, the Mahavidya Tara is rather a fearsome Goddess striking terror and also moody and harmful. Her first appearance was during the Sagar Manthan when Shiva drank poison to save the world from destruction, become unconscious because of the strong effect of that Kaalkutvish, at that time, Goddess Durga appeared as Tara and saved Shiva. That is why it is called a savior Mantra.

But Sage Vashishta meeting Buddha for instructions, this surprises me Minakshi. Acco to chronology Vedas are the oldest religious texts, probably dated between 12th to 10 c BC. Sage Vasishta was considered as the chief author of Rig-Veda, means he belongs to that period. But, he was very much there in Treta Yuga as well as in Dwapar Yuga!!! Eternal being?!

But Gautama Buddha was born around the 6th century BC, and some scholars stated that he was born between 563 BC to 483BC. Just expressing my confusions.

Many scholars contest whether the Hindu perceptions and apologetic attempts to rationalize the Buddha within their fold are correct? Though acco to many , an avatar of Vishnu, the Buddha is rarely worshipped like Krishna and Rama in Hinduism. But acco to some researchers, Buddha was adopted as an avatar of Vishnu around the time the Puranas were being composed, in order to subordinate him into the Brahmanical ideology, i.e, Vedic ideology to nullify the powerful influences of the Buddhism at that time!!! In contemporary history, BR Ambedkar rejected that Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu.

The times ascribed to Buddha and Sage Vashista are quite contradictory, but when we try to see the similarities between the Vedic Vaishnava religion and Buddhism, then we will be able to perceive it from a different angle. The importance of Chakra in both stories [ Vishnu and Buddha] the Dharmas and Ahimsa etc are there in both incarnations. Hinduism adopted the Buddha in its mythology, Buddhism adopted the Hindu god Krishna in its own mythology. The story of Krishna is there in Jataka tales in Buddism, mentioned Mathura, Devaki, Vasudeva, Baladeva and Kanha or Keshava in those stories!! The Jataka tale also includes internecine destruction among Krishna's siblings after they all get drunk. Krishna also dies in the Buddhist legend by the hand of a hunter! Thanks, Minakshi for this interaction. 🤗

@Stormborn, thanks for providing a useful stage to interact with knowledgeable persons with good conversations. smiley31

Edited by Viswasruti - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#59

Hi Madhuri,

Both are same Mahavidya Tara. She has different forms like, Ekjata, NeelaSaraswati, Ugra Tara etc.

Each of her form has different mantra. She gives liberation.

Even Goddess Mahakali has various forms. In some aspect Goddess Tara is similar to Mahakali.

Check this, https://www.sacred-texts.com/tantra/sas/sas08.htm

Edited by mnx12 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#60
Thanks Minakshi for this link, ❤️will read it after lunch.😊 Eager to clear my doubts.

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