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Until now, one question remains unanswered in my head.

I understood that Radha loves Krishna without expecting anything in return. So of a selfless love.

Then she is his greatest devotee.

On the other hand they married in front of the universe and for themselves, but not in front of society, which is why they say that Radha is Krishna's ki Premika.

Their love is boundless. It does not need a label to track time.

So in the end. She is Krishna's wife. Their relationship is not just God and Devotee? She's still married, isn't she?

You mustn't blame me. I'm very down-to-earth. I often look for logic in something I don't understand.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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As per Devi Bhagavat, https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/topic/5034939

Without Radha's worship, one is not allowed to worship Krishna.

Radha is adhisthatri of Krishna'a prana. She is always with Krishna.

Due to some reason, she was born as Vrishbhan's daughter on Earth.


Radha is not a devotee. As Prakriti, she is part of Krishna.

They are Divine couple. Even if not together physically at times, they are united through Divine power.

Her being a devotee, premika etc are just various interpretations. Hardly anyone has capacity to understand them well. Even if 0.0001% is understood about representatives of our faith (be it any form of God or Goddess), with their grace only, it's a great achievement.

Each interpretation is done with different set of mind, ideology & time frame. Hence try to look for deeper understanding. It'll be a pleasant experience.

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Originally posted by: mnx12

As per Devi Bhagavat, https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/topic/5034939

Without Radha's worship, one is not allowed to worship Krishna.

Radha is adhisthatri of Krishna'a prana. She is always with Krishna.

Due to some reason, she was born as Vrishbhan's daughter on Earth.


Radha is not a devotee. As Prakriti, she is part of Krishna.

They are Divine couple. Even if not together physically at times, they are united through Divine power.

Her being a devotee, premika etc are just various interpretations. Hardly anyone has capacity to understand them well. Even if 0.0001% is understood about representatives of our faith (be it any form of God or Goddess), with their grace only, it's a great achievement.

Each interpretation is done with different set of mind, ideology & time frame. Hence try to look for deeper understanding. It'll be a pleasant experience.

Thank you for your answer.

I don't have Hinduism as my religion, so I often try to understand things. Some are easy. But the case of Radha Krishna is really complicated to understand. At first I thought it was useless, but talking about it with you made me curious.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

As per Devi Bhagavat, https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/topic/5034939

Without Radha's worship, one is not allowed to worship Krishna.

Radha is adhisthatri of Krishna'a prana. She is always with Krishna.

Due to some reason, she was born as Vrishbhan's daughter on Earth.


Radha is not a devotee. As Prakriti, she is part of Krishna.

They are Divine couple. Even if not together physically at times, they are united through Divine power.

Her being a devotee, premika etc are just various interpretations. Hardly anyone has capacity to understand them well. Even if 0.0001% is understood about representatives of our faith (be it any form of God or Goddess), with their grace only, it's a great achievement.

Each interpretation is done with different set of mind, ideology & time frame. Hence try to look for deeper understanding. It'll be a pleasant experience.

Perfectly put through:)

Even we grasp 0.1% of what they represent I guess we really have achieved a lot :)

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ReadLo

Thank you for your answer.

I don't have Hinduism as my religion, so I often try to understand things. Some are easy. But the case of Radha Krishna is really complicated to understand. At first I thought it was useless, but talking about it with you made me curious.

It is heartening to read about the initiative taken byMinaxi to explain the RK love in such a beautiful way.

Cynthia, these Epic stories are reminders of the great cultural heritage that is unique to India. Eastern philosophy and Thought are entirely different from Western philosophy and its perspective regarding God and Religion.

The ambiguities here are part of the Divine Love of RadhaKrishna for the purpose of lending it vibrancy and excitement.

The right perspective is to look at the Radha Krishna Leela as “The play of Divinity with its own self”.

The divine beings R&K descended on this earth to define universal love from a new perspective. Until their flourishing love on earth, the love considered as a taboo to discuss openly, has only for a specific purpose, for the continuation of the creation , but Krishna has given a new meaning to love, a divine, eternal meaning through the free expressions in group dances and roaming on the river bank at night, assemble with milkmaids at one place whenever he wants to entertain, this God is God of Love, a fond love associated with bonding, not lust, he has given a divine honor to love ,he never insulted any woman in his life. Radha never wanted to think about anyone after her initial meeting with her Krishna.

Yes , there are many stories regarding these eternal lovers, about their romantic overtures for each other [ Jayadeva’s Ashtapadis, written around 15th –17th-century poet Jayadeva ]their divine longing throughout their life, in many folklore stories. In Devi Bhagavatam, Brahma Vaibtra Purana, Radha is mentioned as the source of infinite Laxmi, Shakti to Krishna, for whom the feminine assistance was undercurrent for his energy, who needed female support to accomplish his hardest mission on earth, i.e, eliminating the sin and establishing the harmony in human relationships.

The Divine love of Radha Krishna has achieved the awareness of creativity by manifesting itself simultaneously in the forms of humans at four different states of self-awareness. They are –Jagriti – in which in this state the ‘human’ experiences through sense organs all kinds of pleasures, this is the ‘gross’ or ‘sthul’ state. Some scriptures said that they derived pleasure from each other, expressed their love through their body and soul , a relationship which needs a stamp of marriage from the society, for this in BVP Krishna explained,” how can I marry myself? Radha has not a separate entity in this world, we are one, one soul and united in Param atma as paramatma, how can I marry myself?” But in the same Puran ,Brahma performed R&K marriage in a forest away from public glare. There also Krishna has given an explanation, "I am here on earth in the form of a human, have to follow the norms of a human in this society, so, by owning Radha I regained myself again on this earth." Both ways he is right, and if we ponder more there, many meanings we’ll be able to get.

The later stage of their bonding is –Swapna [ dream ] This is a subtle ‘sooksma’ state. In this state the intellect, the senses get merged with the mind. The desires and concepts that get germinated from whatever is seen or heard during the ‘jaagrit’ state, and the ‘illusory world’ that appears real based on these is the‘swapna’ (dream) state. This I think refers to their bonding through their soul after their separation. They were there for each other , but lived separately in different places, united with divine bonding .

The next stage of their love is –Sushupti, this state is like ‘samadhi’ or ‘fainting’. In this, one does not have to elevate the consciousness in one's self. In this state, the subtle desires are experienced through the atma ,the soul. For this, there is no need of any body to unite, it is nothing but the unity of two souls, not illusory but in the divine luminosity.

The fourth and the most important stage is –Turiya---This is the state of salvation (moksha),and ‘oneness’ in which all perceptions of duality disappear. Nothing besides God is perceptible. They are divine and one, though lived at separate places for specific purposes!

But these two initial ‘dualities’, Radha and Krishna are eternally fully aware of their primary pre-manifestation ‘oneness’! Radha is definitely the soul of Shri Krishna. She is the undivided form of Shri Krishna.She will remain a mystery unless one can know her inexpressible divine elements.

It should be noted that the act of the “outflow” stemming from Krishna is “Dhara” and its “inflow”back to Krishna being reverse of Dhara is called “Radha”.

Cynthia, she is the worshipper as well as Krishna’s deity to be worshipped! That is the love story of Radha Krishna. I tried my best to share with you whatever less I know about these two eternal lovers and their love.

Thank you Mina and Cynthia.🤗🤗

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Originally posted by: Viswasruti

It is heartening to read about the initiative taken byMinaxi to explain the RK love in such a beautiful way.

Cynthia, these Epic stories are reminders of the great cultural heritage that is unique to India. Eastern philosophy and Thought are entirely different from Western philosophy and its perspective regarding God and Religion.

The ambiguities here are part of the Divine Love of RadhaKrishna for the purpose of lending it vibrancy and excitement.

The right perspective is to look at the Radha Krishna Leela as “The play of Divinity with its own self”.

The divine beings R&K descended on this earth to define universal love from a new perspective. Until their flourishing love on earth, the love considered as a taboo to discuss openly, has only for a specific purpose, for the continuation of the creation , but Krishna has given a new meaning to love, a divine, eternal meaning through the free expressions in group dances and roaming on the river bank at night, assemble with milkmaids at one place whenever he wants to entertain, this God is God of Love, a fond love associated with bonding, not lust, he has given a divine honor to love ,he never insulted any woman in his life. Radha never wanted to think about anyone after her initial meeting with her Krishna.

Yes , there are many stories regarding these eternal lovers, about their romantic overtures for each other [ Jayadeva’s Ashtapadis, written around 15th –17th-century poet Jayadeva ]their divine longing throughout their life, in many folklore stories. In Devi Bhagavatam, Brahma Vaibtra Purana, Radha is mentioned as the source of infinite Laxmi, Shakti to Krishna, for whom the feminine assistance was undercurrent for his energy, who needed female support to accomplish his hardest mission on earth, i.e, eliminating the sin and establishing the harmony in human relationships.

The Divine love of Radha Krishna has achieved the awareness of creativity by manifesting itself simultaneously in the forms of humans at four different states of self-awareness. They are –Jagriti – in which in this state the ‘human’ experiences through sense organs all kinds of pleasures, this is the ‘gross’ or ‘sthul’ state. Some scriptures said that they derived pleasure from each other, expressed their love through their body and soul , a relationship which needs a stamp of marriage from the society, for this in BVP Krishna explained,” how can I marry myself? Radha has not a separate entity in this world, we are one, one soul and united in Param atma as paramatma, how can I marry myself?” But in the same Puran ,Brahma performed R&K marriage in a forest away from public glare. There also Krishna has given an explanation, "I am here on earth in the form of a human, have to follow the norms of a human in this society, so, by owning Radha I regained myself again on this earth." Both ways he is right, and if we ponder more there, many meanings we’ll be able to get.

The later stage of their bonding is –Swapna [ dream ] This is a subtle ‘sooksma’ state. In this state the intellect, the senses get merged with the mind. The desires and concepts that get germinated from whatever is seen or heard during the ‘jaagrit’ state, and the ‘illusory world’ that appears real based on these is the‘swapna’ (dream) state. This I think refers to their bonding through their soul after their separation. They were there for each other , but lived separately in different places, united with divine bonding .

The next stage of their love is –Sushupti, this state is like ‘samadhi’ or ‘fainting’. In this, one does not have to elevate the consciousness in one's self. In this state, the subtle desires are experienced through the atma ,the soul. For this, there is no need of any body to unite, it is nothing but the unity of two souls, not illusory but in the divine luminosity.

The fourth and the most important stage is –Turiya---This is the state of salvation (moksha),and ‘oneness’ in which all perceptions of duality disappear. Nothing besides God is perceptible. They are divine and one, though lived at separate places for specific purposes!

But these two initial ‘dualities’, Radha and Krishna are eternally fully aware of their primary pre-manifestation ‘oneness’! Radha is definitely the soul of Shri Krishna. She is the undivided form of Shri Krishna.She will remain a mystery unless one can know her inexpressible divine elements.

It should be noted that the act of the “outflow” stemming from Krishna is “Dhara” and its “inflow”back to Krishna being reverse of Dhara is called “Radha”.

Cynthia, she is the worshipper as well as Krishna’s deity to be worshipped! That is the love story of Radha Krishna. I tried my best to share with you whatever less I know about these two eternal lovers and their love.

Thank you Mina and Cynthia.🤗🤗

It should be noted that the act of the “outflow” stemming from Krishna is “Dhara” and its “inflow”back to Krishna being reverse of Dhara is called “Radha --- this says it ALL Madhuri .... :) nothing more is needed to explain what they are

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I also want to Express my wish to continue sharing these things that we or who ever knows of them or any lord for that matter as M rightly said that our culture is that vast rich and deep. I will add some notes tonight on the thread opened by meenakshi

Madhuri add this desp there too or I can tonight. It is indeed heartening and soulful feeling to read all this. The world definitely seems a much better place :)

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Viswasruti

It is heartening to read about the initiative taken byMinaxi to explain the RK love in such a beautiful way.

Cynthia, these Epic stories are reminders of the great cultural heritage that is unique to India. Eastern philosophy and Thought are entirely different from Western philosophy and its perspective regarding God and Religion.

The ambiguities here are part of the Divine Love of RadhaKrishna for the purpose of lending it vibrancy and excitement.

The right perspective is to look at the Radha Krishna Leela as “The play of Divinity with its own self”.

The divine beings R&K descended on this earth to define universal love from a new perspective. Until their flourishing love on earth, the love considered as a taboo to discuss openly, has only for a specific purpose, for the continuation of the creation , but Krishna has given a new meaning to love, a divine, eternal meaning through the free expressions in group dances and roaming on the river bank at night, assemble with milkmaids at one place whenever he wants to entertain, this God is God of Love, a fond love associated with bonding, not lust, he has given a divine honor to love ,he never insulted any woman in his life. Radha never wanted to think about anyone after her initial meeting with her Krishna.

Yes , there are many stories regarding these eternal lovers, about their romantic overtures for each other [ Jayadeva’s Ashtapadis, written around 15th –17th-century poet Jayadeva ]their divine longing throughout their life, in many folklore stories. In Devi Bhagavatam, Brahma Vaibtra Purana, Radha is mentioned as the source of infinite Laxmi, Shakti to Krishna, for whom the feminine assistance was undercurrent for his energy, who needed female support to accomplish his hardest mission on earth, i.e, eliminating the sin and establishing the harmony in human relationships.

The Divine love of Radha Krishna has achieved the awareness of creativity by manifesting itself simultaneously in the forms of humans at four different states of self-awareness. They are –Jagriti – in which in this state the ‘human’ experiences through sense organs all kinds of pleasures, this is the ‘gross’ or ‘sthul’ state. Some scriptures said that they derived pleasure from each other, expressed their love through their body and soul , a relationship which needs a stamp of marriage from the society, for this in BVP Krishna explained,” how can I marry myself? Radha has not a separate entity in this world, we are one, one soul and united in Param atma as paramatma, how can I marry myself?” But in the same Puran ,Brahma performed R&K marriage in a forest away from public glare. There also Krishna has given an explanation, "I am here on earth in the form of a human, have to follow the norms of a human in this society, so, by owning Radha I regained myself again on this earth." Both ways he is right, and if we ponder more there, many meanings we’ll be able to get.

The later stage of their bonding is –Swapna [ dream ] This is a subtle ‘sooksma’ state. In this state the intellect, the senses get merged with the mind. The desires and concepts that get germinated from whatever is seen or heard during the ‘jaagrit’ state, and the ‘illusory world’ that appears real based on these is the‘swapna’ (dream) state. This I think refers to their bonding through their soul after their separation. They were there for each other , but lived separately in different places, united with divine bonding .

The next stage of their love is –Sushupti, this state is like ‘samadhi’ or ‘fainting’. In this, one does not have to elevate the consciousness in one's self. In this state, the subtle desires are experienced through the atma ,the soul. For this, there is no need of any body to unite, it is nothing but the unity of two souls, not illusory but in the divine luminosity.

The fourth and the most important stage is –Turiya---This is the state of salvation (moksha),and ‘oneness’ in which all perceptions of duality disappear. Nothing besides God is perceptible. They are divine and one, though lived at separate places for specific purposes!

But these two initial ‘dualities’, Radha and Krishna are eternally fully aware of their primary pre-manifestation ‘oneness’! Radha is definitely the soul of Shri Krishna. She is the undivided form of Shri Krishna.She will remain a mystery unless one can know her inexpressible divine elements.

It should be noted that the act of the “outflow” stemming from Krishna is “Dhara” and its “inflow”back to Krishna being reverse of Dhara is called “Radha”.

Cynthia, she is the worshipper as well as Krishna’s deity to be worshipped! That is the love story of Radha Krishna. I tried my best to share with you whatever less I know about these two eternal lovers and their love.

Thank you Mina and Cynthia.🤗🤗

Thank you, Madhuri.

That said, it reminds me of Mahadev who said that Sati was also his soul, but he married him.

So it's all a matter of perception by period.

After the age between which Radha and Krishna lived together is never well defined, it is for sure that it would be difficult to put a more "adult" brand to their relationship.

Thank you for your clarification, really.

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Originally posted by: RainFire125

I also want to Express my wish to continue sharing these things that we or who ever knows of them or any lord for that matter as M rightly said that our culture is that vast rich and deep. I will add some notes tonight on the thread opened by meenakshi

Madhuri add this desp there too or I can tonight. It is indeed heartening and soulful feeling to read all this. The world definitely seems a much better place :)

The thread is closed.

I'm waiting for your point of view tonight 🤗

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Originally posted by: RainFire125

I also want to Express my wish to continue sharing these things that we or who ever knows of them or any lord for that matter as M rightly said that our culture is that vast rich and deep. I will add some notes tonight on the thread opened by Meenakshi

Madhuri add this desp there too or I can tonight. It is indeed heartening and soulful feeling to read all this. The world definitely seems a much better place :)

Gayatri , thank you for taking the initiative to continue with this discussion.🤗

The thread is very much open and I posted my words there as you directed. Now, waiting to hear your views on these points and on other interesting points, you mentioned there. 😊

There is so much to ponder on Radha Krishna love and their everlasting and unique bonding. 😊

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