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misti73

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Posted: 11 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: Angie12
@Misti, @Kinara: Now you are both talking the same thing. Divya having a mental breakdown similar to Wahida Rehman who in curing others became too overwhelmed with her own emotions. I really don't want that to happen to Divya that she should be destroyed this way for choices of others. Her only choice was to get into the middle of all this. Here too she had no choice because there was no way she could have moved forward in her life with having those unresolved feelings about Raj and feeling so guilty about him. Angie the scenario that I had hinted at is my fear. I don't want Divya to end up like that. I understand why she cannot move forward without resolving the issues that she has with Raj. But she is in a very messy situation and realistically speaking situations ike this does end in tragedy. Even if she was not emotionally involved with Raj, it would have been difficult for her to do what she is thinking of doing and here she is emotionally involved with Raj. But on the other hand if they do show that it will be a good acting opportunity for Rubina. So I am a bit torn here...I want the actor in Rubina to show her talent if the makers do plan in following this path but I don't want the character of Divya to go through it. ...and now I am sounding bipolar.😕

I did think yesterday that she was inadequate in helping Raj and needs to think carefully before playing with his emotions - maybe consult a psychiatrist or some professional help. Angie this is a hindi show which banks heavily on melodrama. Divya is the psychiatrist here. 😉Sarita and Raj are both pulling her in opposite directions and both of them are mess. She may straighten them out, but gets messed up herself. She needs Gaurav in that house for sure.Oh yes. I want Gaurav there too.

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misti73

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Posted: 11 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: ekta-avinafan
Sorry !! Couldn't press like buttons on posts - it was not working.😕😕

I think the logical and meaningful thread with proper discussion without actor's rooting is always yours . ❤️ . Thanks Ekta

We got the reason for Raj marrying Sarita at last .So this was an emotional blackmail of mother and one another person which I couldn't get .So Angie ,You had already guessed it right .Just wanted to hear it in the show instead of assumptions of our own. Now I do really feel sympathy for Raj .Although want to know the real reason of Raj not supporting Divya 10 years ago .It can't be ego .How he can not understand her views ,How could he not have give his shoulders when her parents died .How they are showing raj's love now ,it seems impossible.
For that ,I even want to know the timegap b/w divya leaving and the time when raj's parents decided for his marriage with sarita. I mean may be talks had started and he wanted divya to make her meet with his family .He would not have wanted her to leave her siblings but didn't wanted her to leave him .
What his reaction and his views regarding that situation were ,which direction he wanted to step forward ,only cvs can tell . But I don't think he would have wrong .It has to be sthing with family only. Ekta I still haven't watched yesterday's episode so I cannot comment on what has been shown there. As far as Raj is concerned if he was emotionally manipulated into marrying Sarita, then I am sorry for him but I am not sypathetic towards him. Mainly because he kept quiet while Sarita was being abused and he himself indirectly abused her. As far as I am concerned there is not justification for abuse and that is what is making me loose any sympathy for him. But if he now changes and takes care of his responsibilites in the right way then I will give a second chance to prove himself. By taking care of responisbilities, it does not mean that he has to stay married to her but he can also re-settle her in life...either in marriage or giving her the oppurtunity regarding standing on her own feet. But he has to take Sarita's POV into consideration. It cannot be only his decision.

Regarding Sarita ,I too like her except that lashing out everytime on Divya. But in today's epi ,her thoughts were not like before .Even after listening to Divya's words ,she is not sure that divya is backstabbing her. She wants to know Divya's real plan .Yes 90 % same but 10% ,she is still believing Divya. Although I don't like her giving back answers each time her MIL taunts. Yes Frustration makes people like that but if you are doing this each time ,its not frustration but character .Instead of becoming like MIL,she should have choose another way of keeping herself busy and ignore such people .I can understand her not leaving this marriage bcoz i don't think she has her family support.If it was ,don't they would have noticed something not normal b/w her and Raj. Bcoz firstly Raj came late in marriage ,another thing they have no kids then Raj's interaction with sarita's parents and family.I know she will not tell herself but 10 years is such a long time .Anyone can guess it .Wonder if her parents are alive or not ?? There are some people who do not change even when they are abused and they are some people who become bitter and hostile in the face of abuse. One needs to have enormous self confidence and patience to hang on to their sanity and not react when everyday they are being shouted at and humiliated. I don't see that self-confidence in Sarita. If she had it then she would not have felt so insecure with Divya and wouldn't have been lashing at her all the time. So as a character I do understand form where Sarita is coming from.

Regarding Divya, OMG .How she has messed up her life and which type of family ,she has got in. She had a family where there was love between each other,Where everyone was equal .And here they are planning for making her bahu and to have her money ,to use her for advertising their raddi shop. She had become so guilty impulsive that she is not going to step back in any case now .How she will react after getting to know of their plans.Yes to all here.
But she is wrong in playing with Raj's emotions .Lets see will she realize it or not .If she does then - when that time will come. When raj will actually shout at her ?? when raj will actually want her to leave ?? or before...lets see whats there in the future.

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ruchisahay

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Posted: 11 years ago

#33

Great discussion going on her 😃 - let me put in my 2 cents.

My opinion of Raj was so low (before yesterday's episode) that there was no way to go but up. And up it went. Before you guys think I am losing my mind 😊, let me explain. I was mad at him in the episode before last when I discovered why he did not communicate with Divya before , why he didn't share her load (because he was "angry" and his ego was hurt 😡). But yesterday's precap made it clear that he will not go for 2 wives - at least he will not emulate his dad. Yes guys, I disliked him so much before that even this was something to be cheered. Also, he was concerned about Sarita impending death - so his character was kept consistent that even if he does not care for abuse, he does care for life (proved again and again when he saves helpless girls and accident victims)

Hmm, so Divya says Sarita will die in a few days. Wow, that sets up a promising psychological thriller cum drama. Can CVs do a good job?

I assume that the show has to operate within its constraints (which I understood after a long conversation with MIL). Let's go over these -

1. Divya cannot marry Raj till Sarita dies (accidently of course and wishes for RavYa union on her death bed) or walks out - Raj and Divya will not ignore Sarita's wishes. So, unless and until Sarita chooses to fall for some guy, it's SaRa who would be the final couple. She can sacrifice too, but that's Divya's speciality so far.

2. Rubina who plays Divya is the most popular of the leads (I can see that in the forum too 😃, no offence Karan and Shristy fans) where she played supremely sacrificing character. So, she will make more sacrifices to retain her popularity - believe me this is not a comment on Rubina but on female leads in general.

3. Raj would just be a trophy to be won - again a comment on male leads. My MIL told me that female leads win business contracts for their husbands without any supporting degree, fight court cases to save them from false charges / bankruptcy, save them from fire / goons etc. etc. And in return they get looong admiring eye locks with a beautiful background song. So, Raj would be a passive participant and often a dumb one but he will fulfill "eye lock" scenes requirement.

4. To create conflicts and confusion, there would be both SaRa and RaVya for sometime. Otherwise where's the conflict? It can end with Sarita falling out of love with Raj or Raj / Divya falling out of love with each other.

5. For a long time, Divya will be torn between love and guilt, Sarita will be torn between gratitude and insecurity and Raj - well no idea what he will be thinking (and anyways that's not even important)

6. There would be a happy ending - my MIL could not recall a serial where any good person (and a lead to boot) didn't find happiness in the end. So, most likely, no Divya in insane asylum. Cheers 😃

If you guys agree with these constraints, then the options with CVs are quite limited. And prophecy sounds like a promising option. If they want to break free of these stereotypes, good luck to them - I would love to see what they do with their characters.

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Angie

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Posted: 11 years ago

#34

@Ruchi, I am really finding your points very funny and valid too. You have written what is the norm of serials.

Khamosi (Waheeda Rehman) was realistic, so of course the heroine lost the sanity. Waheeda was fabulous in the movie, but I wanted so much a different ending for her. The silver lining was that they showed Rajesh Khanna's character (Gaurav type as he was not her first love, it was Dharmendra another patient), telling her in the end that he would wait for her until she gets cured. So I interpreted it as her getting eventually better with his help and then moving on with him.

In the serial world, I doubt they would show that. But Divya is very emotional and she never had time to deal with anything because of responsibilities and her propensity to sacrifice. So I doubt she had the time to deal with all that has happened in 10 years - parents' death, leaving Raj whom she loved and still loves intensely, guilt feelings about Raj and Sarita (in extension), both of them lashing at her and needing her simultaneously (yet pulling her in different directions) and then there is Gaurav who too has expectations from her to love him even though he is the only rational one for the time being. So a person has to have some mental breakdown after all this especially when Raj finds out about Divya's intentions and blasts her (or cut off both from her and Sarita or discard Sarita because of this reason only as he has ego).

But in serial world, I doubt they will go to that. As Misti said, she would be the psychiatric for both him, Sarita and the family. She will be the one to do sacrifices and she is the lead. As you mentioned, the female lead does everything. In most of serials, hero is very passive or becomes passive as time goes on.

As far as Raj is concerned, I had a different reaction than yours. I had sympathy for him because I was expecting a lot of reasons for his behavior towards Sarita and his anger at Divya. Turns out that even though he was emotionally manipulated into marrying Sarita (and he did care for his mother), the anger at Divya was plain ego. So my sympathy disappeared. He will be slowly redeemed (as all heros are) and the precap hints at that. They will show him being different from the father as he will not settle himself until he atones for his actions towards Sarita by settling her in life. As you said, he cannot go any lower. The only way is going up for him.

It is a good psychological thriller that can explore emotions of all three - especially of Raj and Divya. But it depends on how it is executed. There are many who have written about execution of this PH. So I hope that even though the show was conceived in hurry and execution shows that, going forward PH will settle down and start showing us better things.

Saying all this, I did like yesterday's episode. Even Kamla and Sarita's back and forth was better. And Kamla did back down yesterday. Actually I prefer interaction of Kamla and Divya over Kamla and Sarita. Kamla and Sarita become like cats when they are with each other. Kamla and Divya scenes on the other hand are always funny with Kamla fawning over Divya and Divya feeling awkward and also having an amused tolerance towards Kamla's antics.

Also, you are right about Rubina's character sacrificing because she even said that in an interview. She said that there was no similarity between Divya and her previous characters except for the sacrifice part. If Shristy was the main lead, they would have never shown her as this answering back bahu because the female lead never becomes a shrew and she doesn't take 10 years to win back her husband. She would have done that within first year and that too without anybody's help. This is a serial rule and will not be changing anytime soon.

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ekta15

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Posted: 11 years ago

#35

@ruchi : The constraints are really funny .

So should we feel sympathy for cvs😉😉

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ruchisahay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: ekta-avinafan
@ruchi : The constraints are really funny .
So should we feel sympathy for cvs😉😉

Totally your call 😃

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Posted: 11 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: Angie12
@Radev24 (Shrel?), Good to see you after a long time. How have you been. This is a stew right now with khichdi, rice and whatnot thrown in a soup where nothing is recognizable.

Finally got back to the forum this am. Yest too hectic and didn't even check out the NL CC except couple posts. I see you one of the participants😃 Congo shongo👏 As a backup you lucky you wont have to work that hard. But since I was heavily involved in BRKD incl NLs, you may have noticed I got carried away doing NL for PV2😳 Was much more present over that forum when PV2 had already begun, so missed 1st 3-4 episodes and learned that didn't miss much of anything.

How have you been? Saw you on episode thread responding to chalhov's post. Oh re "Shrel", Chalhov ("Putija") "gave" that name to me based on some linguistic science that her hubby knows😕 But totally greek/french/latin to me😉

Speaking of unrecognizable stew, lemme see if i can find something, otherwise known as "smorgasbord", hodgepodge ?!

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ruchisahay

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Posted: 11 years ago

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@Angie I too remember that movie - it was lovely. Somehow I don't expect that kind of subtlety in this show - it's all about loud characters and situations where every point is hammered into us - that too without explanation.

Comparisons aside, I like the basic plotline of the show though as you said execution has to improve fast. Wish the CVs do something good with it.

I remember long back I was working on a prototype. Eight months into it, it was abruptly cut. I took it up with my manager - he said that I was too attached to the product as an technology, while the top brass had to look at a product as a profitable venture. I guess same dynamics exist between channels and CVs. Channels want profitable series while CVs might be thinking about creativity and quality. Unfortunately, channels think only regressive shows that are based on a recycled template succeed - or maybe CVs have learnt to work that way.

By the way, isn't Shristy a lead too? She sure has the looks, charm and caliber.

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Angie

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: radev24

Finally got back to the forum this am. Yest too hectic and didn't even check out the NL CC except couple posts. I see you one of the participants😃 Congo shongo👏 As a backup you lucky you wont have to work that hard. But since I was heavily involved in BRKD incl NLs, you may have noticed I got carried away doing NL for PV2😳 Was much more present over that forum when PV2 had already begun, so missed 1st 3-4 episodes and learned that didn't miss much of anything.

How have you been? Saw you on episode thread responding to chalhov's post. Oh re "Shrel", Chalhov ("Putija") "gave" that name to me based on some linguistic science that her hubby knows😕 But totally greek/french/latin to me😉

Speaking of unrecognizable stew, lemme see if i can find something, otherwise known as "smorgasbord", hodgepodge ?!

Shrel, ok get it regarding your name. But sorry the stew or whatever you have called it doesn't look that appetizing to me. Hope show doesn't resemble this.

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Angie

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: ruchisahay
@Angie I too remember that movie - it was lovely. Somehow I don't expect that kind of subtlety in this show - it's all about loud characters and situations where every point is hammered into us - that too without explanation.

Comparisons aside, I like the basic plotline of the show though as you said execution has to improve fast. Wish the CVs do something good with it.

I remember long back I was working on a prototype. Eight months into it, it was abruptly cut. I took it up with my manager - he said that I was too attached to the product as an technology, while the top brass had to look at a product as a profitable venture. I guess same dynamics exist between channels and CVs. Channels want profitable series while CVs might be thinking about creativity and quality. Unfortunately, channels think only regressive shows that are based on a recycled template succeed - or maybe CVs have learnt to work that way.

By the way, isn't Shristy a lead too? She sure has the looks, charm and caliber.

Ruchi, do not expect story or characters to be ever subtle in any TV show. I am a history lover and want to watch historical shows. But I usually avoid Indian historical shows because I get disappointed whenever I see them.. Right now I am trying to see one historical show on Sony, but it keeps on boring me. So I am watching it maybe once in two weeks. They are just so loud and there is nothing subtle. Do really people talk like that in real life?

The basic storyline is good and all 3 (even 4th Gauarav) are interesting characters. But execution needs to be improved big time and also some dialogues (Divya comparing herself to Arjun)just make me laugh.

There always is this dynamics betwen CVs and channel. But in the end, both PH and this channel are business people and so bottom line becomes important. Since bottom line is a function of ratings, the product becomes sloppy because artistic part goes away.

What you wrote your other work is equally true. I have always experienced it in my jobs. I think I have now learnt to take it in stride and have stopped wasting my time for projects that never go anywhere because suddenly the management changes their mind. In the end, whether it is show business or any other regular place of work, human factors come into play that hinder the quality of work. I remember the first year of my first job. I was such an idealist (actually there were some other co-workers like that) that we totally believed in the slogan of that company and were pleased as punch to get a chance to work for a reputed international company. Well, the idealism slowly gave way to realism for all of us after a short time. There was a big disillusionment to see the real workings of such a company. Since then, I have never able to capture that innocent enthusiasm ever again even though I still love working and for the most part like my current job.

As far as Shristy is concerned, she is a parallel lead. I have learnt that it implies that the screen space may be equal (in serial lingo), but the main lead is the one who sacrifices the most and is accused the most in any given serial. So even though screen space wise and character wise, all three are equal (Karan, Shristy and Rubina), it is Rubina who is the main lead because of the sacrificing nature of her character.

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