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Posted: 11 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Angie12

Neerja, these are valid questions. But even Sarita's passive behavior is not making sense to me. I have known few girls from extremely conservative families who have got divorced after few years of marriage for whatever reasons. In some cases, families were rich and supported them. In some cases, it was not so and yet they did it. Now most of are happily remarried. So India has changed despite the stigma still attached to a divorced girl.


Here Sarita is shown to be from a rich family. She did walk out on Raj after 10 years, but why did she not do it earlier. She blames Divya (totally wrong) and Raj's family (rightly so), yet does not blame Raj at all. Why is that? How did she fall for Raj (even as a husband) after this kind of behavior? Even in last episode, they were showing that she was angry at comparison with Divya. But in her flashbacks, she did not remember Kamla's taunts, but Raj going towards Divya. She saw Raj stopping Divya by force, yet had no words for him. After he left, she blasted Divya who seems to be an easy target. They have shown her from the beginning a strong personality who knows how to fight for her rights. Yet why is she so silent in front of Raj where she is not taking him to task at all?

So Sarita's love for Raj seems as destructive to me as Raj's love for Divya is. At this point, I do not find much difference in their definition of love. So unless they explain this part of Sarita, her character is not connecting to me either.

I would love it if they show Divya leaving Bhopal not only because she had to take care of her siblings, but also because she had ambition too. But they won't show that as the lead has to be sacrificing where she does not do anything for herself. But then leaving Bhopal needs to be explained.

Sorry to butt in 😊. I too don't like Sarita's passivity - but I don't think she's obsessive. She comes across as too desperate and too defeated. I wish she was more proactive but can't help sympathizing with her.
Also, do you think shouting is a mark of strong personality or a small time bully? She is helpless (for whatever reasons) before Raj, so she takes it out on Divya.
I don't know if she really wants Raj's love - I feel she just craves for love and since Raj is her husband, she assumes it to mean Raj's love. She is a victim - betrayed by her husband, abused by her in-laws and chained by societal norms. Wish she was stronger but no girl deserves such fate.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lots of you are saying sartias family -- the parents -- are conservative in their mind a girl when married her husbands house is her house -- doli se a aye hai arthi se jayega but in this day and age they never visited her house in 10 yrs not even once?--kamal ke parents hain or send some one else if they are old fashioned bte ke ghat ka kahana Pena is not done

That's one the other one ok fine Raj does not watch tv etc that's why was unaware of Divya being a big star
He is the radiwala did not even by accident see divyas tv show in the news in the news papers or are his eyes selective only sees what he wants to see --he did not hear any one talking at home or outside about Divyas tv show

Lastly don't expect any explanation of anything from the PHs they jump from one topic to the others like a kangaroo

And I might be biased as I like Rubina but so far her character Divya seems more to my liking but raj and sartia both are like god knows wich world they live in
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13
omg story is so complicated

i just dropped in to find about the show of rubina as i liked her in choti bahu

but here it seems again she has come in a complicated show lol
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shana0127

omg story is so complicated

i just dropped in to find about the show of rubina as i liked her in choti bahu

but here it seems again she has come in a complicated show lol


chhoti bahu was not complicated😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Ruchi,

I agree that she is desperate and defeated now. Anybody would be after 10 years of abuse and neglect. The bitterness is totally understandable too. Kamla is a bully even though she too is taking out her frustrations on Sarita; the frustrations are related to the husband and son. But Sarita is not a bully even though she is taking out her anger on Divya.

What I am talking about is her behavior in 10 years. They showed her walking out on Raj after 10 years and I understand that Divya acted as a trigger as she seems to be for a lot of people including Raj. But I am talking about pre-wedding behavior and after wedding behavior as well as not walking out in 10 years even once.

Neerja had talked about her possibly being from a conservative family. I have a personal experience with conservative families as both my parents especially my mother comes from extremely conservative backgrounds. I have seen many instances of girls' families breaking at the wedding at the last minute (cards were published, relatives had come to attend the wedding, tents were put), because they found that the boy's family was harrassing them for dowry or they found something bad about the groom. In all instances, majority had sympathy for girl and her parents. These girls (both from middle class and rich families) did get married to someone else within a year or so of these breaking of weddings.


So unless they show a reason for Sarita to go through this wedding (forced by parents or parents belonging to a different era or given assurances by Sohan Lal and Kamla), I have hard time understanding her reasons for going through this wedding.


They are talking about year 2003 when all this happened. 2003 was not that much different from 2013 in terms of society norms etc. I am talking about Sarita not blaming Raj. I understand that she craves her husband's love as that was her dream to have a loving husband. But they are showing her again and again talking about "loving" Raj intensely. That is what I am unable to understand. I can understand Raj and Divya having love for each other because they fell for one another when they were both young and different people. With time, that love seems perfect because all you remember are good times. And a lot of people have trouble moving on (not in Raj type way but just getting over the past love because it seems so perfect).

But Sarita has not seen that side of him. All she has seen is an emotionless person who shows her courtesy in an extremely detached manner. He doesn't stand up for her in front of his family because he doesn't think he is married to her. So why doesn't she blame him? She asks Divya for a promise not to marry Raj if she (Sarita) dies. It seems from what has been shown so far that she is taking all this abuse from Kamla and her daughters because she "loves" Raj. That's why I am calling her love destructive and obsessive. The quality is different from Raj because she is making an effort to get her love. Raj has not done anything at all.

So similar to Raj, I am also forced to make assumptions about her and Divya too in order to make sense of their characters. That's why all these characters - mostly of Raj (totally incomprehensible), Sarita (partially incomprehensible) and Divya (somewhat incomprehensible) are coming half-baked to me.


I no longer want to see a scene between Divya and Sarita where Sarita is feeling insecure of her because of whatever reasons and Divya reassuring her and making promises. What I want to see is a meaningful scene where Sarita can tell Divya what happened from the time she found out the truth onwards. Show a meaningful conversation between Divya and Sarita to show Sarita's past and her life in 10 years. Show a meaningful conversation between Raj and Divya to show their past and why Raj thinks that Divya can enter his life when he has a wife for 10 years. Instead of abuse sessions between Kamla and Sarita, concentrate on these three characters so that we can understand their behavior.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angie12

Neerja, these are valid questions. But even Sarita's passive behavior is not making sense to me. I have known few girls from extremely conservative families who have got divorced after few years of marriage for whatever reasons. In some cases, families were rich and supported them. In some cases, it was not so and yet they did it. Now most of are happily remarried. So India has changed despite the stigma still attached to a divorced girl.


Here Sarita is shown to be from a rich family. She did walk out on Raj after 10 years, but why did she not do it earlier. She blames Divya (totally wrong) and Raj's family (rightly so), yet does not blame Raj at all. Why is that?
Angie , may be she is from the background , where pati is parmeshwar . agree what she was waiting for , where there was no communication . Its not black and white picture as you mentioned in your post Meena Kumari , where you endlessly wait for your husband to return . I think it was the last straw when she came to know that it was Divya , .When you are desperate and sometimes your patience ends then you are not thinking straight . You are right it should have been Raj she should have taken to . Divya was not there when he married her .

How did she fall for Raj (even as a husband) after this kind of behavior?

Angie its arrange marriage where just getting engage girls starts weaving their dreams . She was shocked when she heard the truth , but what happened in between that she was waiting for him happily . Was it Raj ,s father who convinced her it was nothing .if she is from powerful family then why she is treated shabbily , nothing match here .

Even in last episode, they were showing that she was angry at comparison with Divya. But in her flashbacks, she did not remember Kamla's taunts, but Raj going towards Divya. She saw Raj stopping Divya by force, yet had no words for him. After he left, she blasted Divya who seems to be an easy target. They have shown her from the beginning a strong personality who knows how to fight for her rights. Yet why is she so silent in front of Raj where she is not taking him to task at all?
So Sarita's love for Raj seems as destructive to me as Raj's love for Divya is. At this point, I do not find much difference in their definition of love. So unless they explain this part of Sarita, her character is not connecting to me either.
I am not connected with any character except Gaurav , who i find is mature , understanding and is good friend to Divya . How can Divya make a person fall for his wife when she is before him . All the time woman shown ,clutching their mangalsutra , as is its some weapon . Divya is soft target for her as divya gave her seven vows .

I would love it if they show Divya leaving Bhopal not only because she had to take care of her siblings, but also because she had ambition too. But they won't show that as the lead has to be sacrificing where she does not do anything for herself. But then leaving Bhopal needs to be explained.
All this reminded me of Movie Avishkar with Sharmila Tagore and Rajesh Khanna..Its about love marriage . Before marriage both meet for sometime and you just know the best about each other , but after marriage when you are together then the real self comes and the harsh realities of life , love flies out of the window . Raj and Divya must be in teens .



Have learnt that TRP are no more boss , may be PH will come out with reasoning now .
Edited by Neerjaa - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Neerja, my problem with the show is that I am forced to make assumptions about all three characters to understand their behavior. Divya's character is the one that is more clear cut even though there are blanks regarding her too. Sarita's character and her desperation are understandable as anybody would be bitter and desperate after wasting 10 years of their golden period. But why did she do that is not given to us unless we make assumptions. But those assumptions that she comes from a conservative family etc. are contradicted by many things.

I no longer want to make assumptions and I don't want to do justification of characters. Unless they show backstories of these characters especially that of Sarita and Raj, I can not connect to their characters at all. All I like about Sarita so far is her answering back to Kamla and daughters or withdrawing her help when they abuse her. Thinking of Raj as "Parmeshwar" does not get any points from me unless they justify that behavior.

Also, I have seen examples of arranged marriages where girls have behaved differently. Lets not compare any TV show especially of this PH with reality because DILs of such shows do not match any reality.

As far as Meena Kumari examples are concerned, the era represented by her movies was a different time period. Sahib, biwi and gulam was set in either late 19th century or early 20th century. Her biwi was a very strong character who fought for her rights till the end until she self destructed. That complex character can never be compared with any character of any serial. Case in example is Saraswati Chandra that is based on a famous Gujarati novel and look how that character is shown in a TV serial.
Edited by Angie12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angie12

Neerja, my problem with the show is that I am forced to make assumptions about all three characters to understand their behavior. Divya's character is the one that is more clear cut even though there are blanks regarding her too. Sarita's character and her desperation are understandable as anybody would be bitter and desperate after wasting 10 years of their golden period. But why did she do that is not given to us unless we make assumptions. But those assumptions that she comes from a conservative family etc. are contradicted by many things.
But many times i have seen girls ,themselves are responsible for their situation . Thats why baffled about Sarita , why she is taking all this for such a long time when even you are non existent to your husband , for what , why to waste your life ? its dead relationship and why further humiliate yourself asking ex girlfriend to mend your marriage when its not there . Sometimes girls take nonsense of the parents when they have support of husband , but that is not even there
..Why to blame the other girl when she was there in the picture for last ten years . Perhaps PH is bringing innovative idea for girls who are in this situation , should go to Ex and save your seven Vows . Only if she comes from powerful family . if so then why Mr Sohan lal is not scared of throwing her out of the house ?

I no longer want to make assumptions and I don't want to do justification of characters. Unless they show back stories of these characters especially that of Sarita and Raj, I can not connect to their characters at all. All I like about Sarita so far is her answering back to Kamla and daughters or withdrawing her help when they abuse her. Thinking of Raj as "Parmeshwar" does not get any points from me unless they justify that behavior.
Its PH ,s job to tell the story , giving reasons behind characters, action. Till now Raj,s character is hazy , is side lined ,

Also, I have seen examples of arranged marriages where girls have behaved differently. Lets not compare any TV show especially of this PH with reality because DILs of such shows do not match any reality.

As far as Meena Kumari examples are concerned, the era represented by her movies was a different time period. Sahib, biwi and gulam was set in either late 19th century or early 20th century. Her biwi was a very strong character who fought for her rights till the end until she self destructed. That complex character can never be compared with any character of any serial. Case in example is Saraswati Chandra that is based on a famous Gujarati novel and look how that character is shown in a TV serial.


Mention of Meena kumari was , just to say that era is gone , Why PH are stuck with mute Dil like sacrificial lamb . Either one person is too good or opposite . I think time for originals are gone , people love to watch over the top shows , lots of melodrama. I just remember when original were there without any frills . That was not TRP days . Writers of that time caliber are not now in TV shows , The whole scenario is changing . As for the above show SLB must be having salman and Aish,in his mind , you can feel them in the characters . But this made people to curious to know about the real book . Only DD can go with originals .
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