For Pearl Grey : About Realism - Page 5

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I saw the episode where Arushi does a big drama in the sangeet ceremony by howling . I admit Shakti is lousy and he tried to paw her in the dance but I also felt she was doing an unecessary drama . She cud have easily silently moved away and NOT danced .

But what interested me was when Krishna tried to pacify her and the way she pushed him away with loathing and contempt .Upon that , we see a confused Krishna saying ....Arre hum Bagh hai kya , kouno Janwar hai kya. It was heart rending that statement , and his confusion . Am I a tiger , all I am trying to do is placate u , he was saying in a puzzled manner . Arushi's disgust and contempt of him puzzled him and hurt him . Arushi has hurt Krishna very badly in many ways , every time . I wonder how the creatives will deal with the doctor track .I hope they show the doctor negative way and show us what an educated monster can be . I am oh so not in favour of Shakti raping Arushi and a Damini track . For one thing , Shakti is far too old for Arushi . It just doesn't click .

Arushi is worse than Komal in being a spoiled brat. She has no clue about what she is talking about almost all the time. I would like to see her eat some crow and apologize to Krishna for treating him with so much contempt, does she even know he saved her and Prats from Angad that day when they were fleeing in the rickshaw? She needs a lesson in learning how to respect people. Prats for all that she needs to change at least doesn't speak disrespectfully to anyone but Krishna.

Adarsh now will see Krishna in a diff. way. Arushi is probably looking to create more havoc in her sister's life. She can't believe Krishna is capable of being decent.

I never saw Krishna as a goonda. He even asks Angad "ka humko lucha lafanga gunda samajthe ho" when they first meet (Dec 9th episode). He is just a badmaash who likes the importance he gets around town for being Takur SSingh's son. He has from day one told Angad after he sees her to talk about Prats with respect. When he beats up Angad for chasing Prats around town he demands the same respect for her. No matter what is said by his family he demands they respect his sasur and Pratigyaji. If he really was a stalker he would have destroyed Prats by now and she would be a living shell of a person after he had abused her in every which way. When pushed too much he rebels back and reacts but stops before things get out of hand. His anger doesn't blind him to the point that he loses track of all his senses. There is still a level of control over himself and even when he does something he can't accept he never takes it out on Prats. He hurts himself instead. He is not lusting after her but seems to want to have an emotional bond with her. As he said to Amma (Feb 18th episode) he is not looking for fun, he loves her and wants to marry her. He will do whatever it takes to win her over as his wife. The first three months were about Krishna pursuing Prats. The next three months post wedding were about Prats having the upper hand. Will the pendulum swing the other way and have Krishna distancing himself and Prats tarassing for his love for the next three months? Seems the romance is not in the air anytime in the near future.

Pearl Grey has said the doctor will be a grounded guy but that has a vague meaning for a character on the show. I do hope they show there are beasts among men who are all educated, prim and proper in society but who have a dark side seen only in private by their wives and partners. Some doctors are notorious for being drug abusers bec' they have the license to prescribe drugs. It will be interesting to see Prof. assume that a doctor with his education would fit in their family well only to find that Arushi doesn't know what she has gotten herself into and the educated doctor is up to no good. This could be an eye opener to all those people who place education way up there as a criteria for marriage beyond humanity and an inherent good character. Hope we see the other side of the coin that is not Krishna.

I do not believe that simply bec' someone went to a college/university for a few years they automatically have the common sense or are good people living decent lives. Not everyone applies what they do learn in college about broadening their thinking and looking at a situaiton from multiple angles and consider different POV in a healthy way. People the wide world over have diff. personalities and experiences making them who they are.

Mera

My point is the main focus of KoolSadhu's current mail. The point of discussion in this track is not education vs non education. In my view it is Pearl Grey's thought process of how small town girls can take revenge on thier stalkers or Romeo's ( thus covering both Angad and Krishna). Kool Sadhu has pointed out very clearly that the way story has been written and the way Pratigya character is emerging is not what happens in the real life. The example of Stillhopeful's friend speaks for itself. The question here is how should have Pratigya dealt with Krishna's obsession of marrying her where her heart was never ready to accept him as a husband. I had seen the marriage episode and it was very painful. I agree with Kool that Pratigya should have shown a fight against this marriage and the parents should have supported her, the whole family should have fought against this obsession no matter with. And if the marriage still had happened, Pratigya's fight against Krishna should have shown. Here we are seeing his unending unselfish love for her and Krishna even having caused pain to Pratigya is coming across as a good person. On the other hand Pratigya is settling in our minds as an educated arrogant.

Originally posted by: lotus8

My point is the main focus of KoolSadhu's current mail. The point of discussion in this track is not education vs non education. In my view it is Pearl Grey's thought process of how small town girls can take revenge on thier stalkers or Romeo's ( thus covering both Angad and Krishna). Kool Sadhu has pointed out very clearly that the way story has been written and the way Pratigya character is emerging is not what happens in the real life. The example of Stillhopeful's friend speaks for itself. The question here is how should have Pratigya dealt with Krishna's obsession of marrying her where her heart was never ready to accept him as a husband. I had seen the marriage episode and it was very painful. I agree with Kool that Pratigya should have shown a fight against this marriage and the parents should have supported her, the whole family should have fought against this obsession no matter with. And if the marriage still had happened, Pratigya's fight against Krishna should have shown. Here we are seeing his unending unselfish love for her and Krishna even having caused pain to Pratigya is coming across as a good person. On the other hand Pratigya is settling in our minds as an educated arrogant.

The point I would like to make here is that it is not close to reality but for the story sake, knowing that Krishna is egoless and a good at heart man, I would side with Pratigya here as it is very hard to give in your emotions to a man who has hurt you and your family. She would not have gotten this chance in the real marriage with Krishna kind of family though.

Komal on the other hand is oblivious of all these emotions as for her she had an arranged marriage where her man was not of same upbringing and that;s why her expectations are of any other girl and so speak her actions.

Again this is a close to reality drama and not a reality.

[ So true Kool. That is why I love reading your posts and debate with you as I feel at the same frequency. I don't have to rewrite my opinion as you have already explained in the above post. I am totally with you against Pratigya being declared as A champion of women's rights. Marrying Krishna to get revenge does not make Pratigya a winner.

Originally posted by: stillhopeful

Kools:

Let me start of saying I agree with you and every other person who has posted on this thread.

Stalking is a very prominent social evil in India. Has existed, does exist and will continue to exist for a while, in my opinion. I mentioned in another thread of mine (Social Evil or Social Issue) that the social evil was the bait that pearl grey used to lure us to the story however that is the not the focus of the show because the evil was left unresolved and dealt with in a most dissatisactory and uunrealistic manner. It is one of the rare social evils that WON"T GO with the passage of time and eras .It will always be there as u pointed oyt .And Keeping THIS eternal quality of this evil in mind it shud be dealt with ...........it cannot be dealt with in a surreal , idealistic way .

My very close friend was brought up with me in Mumbai. She was the only girl in her family to go to a convent school (a privelige in her family and her community). for the most part she was a bold girl but totally aware of her reality and the fact that her education was a privelege. When we finished 10th she left for a vacation to her hometown Bihar which is very very similar to UP (both being neighbouring states). I never heard from her for a few years after that. I followed up with her parents and they told me that she was stalked while on vacation by an obsessive younger son of a thakur (sounds familiar - but my friend's story is real) and when she refused to marry the dude he told her that he would kill himself. when that did not work he told her he would destroy her physically if she did not marry him. she got afraid, lived in a small village and out of real fear she married him. her life was miserable after that. her mom confided in me alot. she was beaten by this guy who supposedly loved her to death, she got pregnant within the 1st year of marriage and she was only allowed to visit her parents when they visited Bihar. When her son became 3 years old, she somehow managed to convince him to let her come to bombay to visit her folks. I guess she played some cards right because he agreed. she came and refused to go back. he followed her to mumbai and tried to strong arm her and beat her. Long story short the police got involved, he had to be strong armed by her father's men in mumbai and they ended up divorcing and she retained custody of the child (I don't know how he allowed her to do the later - this was the most chauvinistic dude you have ever met even though unlike Krishna he was educated upto the 12th grade). My memories of my friend before she left was of this compassionate, fun loving bold and jovial girl. she came back a shell, completed her university education and now works for a travel agent (I am so proud of her). it took her years to gain her sanity, lose her fear and get bold again. Thanks for sharing your experience . Really appreciate it .

Real life pratigya would be my firend. So in that respect a much needed realism of the environment she lives in is required in this show.

So let's talk about why I love this show and why today's epi has forever made me a big fan of the creatives.

I love this show because all the lead characters are flawed. each and everyone of them. they are a mixed bundle of good and bad. Me too .

Krishna is aggressive and hot headed but what makes him endearing is that he is blunt, transparent and really really loves his wife.Yes . dil ka saaf . Egoless in actions though upwardly egoistic by talk .

Pratigya is uncompromising, idealistic and more often than not very haughty in her demeanour but what makes her endearing is that she is compassionate (to kesar, amma and even her own family member and sometimes unwillingly to Krishna) she is intelligent (except where it comes to Krishna - see how she helped kesar and how she was tactful with Adarsh and Komal).Her intelligence takes a dive when it comes to analyzing krishna . She understands where Komal is coming from but not where krishna is coming from though both have been raised from same atmosphere . Very Strange.

Professor is idealistic, lacks a basic grasp of reality and is weak but what makes even this poor soul endearing is his love for his family, his liberal upbringing of his daughters, and his love, understanding and genuine concern for a very intolerant Komal.Yes. Wish u had analysed that frowning Adarsh .

I can go on and on but I think I have given sufficient examples.

I honestly believe the CV's read this site and take note of our expectations. I mentioned once in an early thread of mine (Understanding Krishna, Pratigy and Kriya) that kriya will only move from Krishna's imagination and become a reality if both the leads are taken away from their familial environment and allowed to see one another in a indvidualistic light. With this absurd yet highly entertaining track the CV's have given us a promise of things to come.

So CV's if your listening, I have a wish list (if I may be so bold):

a) show the realism that is required for Pratigya to maintain her identity yet radicalize the plight of women in that household. show ingenuity in your solutions not a surreal idealistic solution.

b) show the relationship between the two strengthening. no dramatic role reversals because then the chemistry will die. each character must maintain their flaws yet enhance their strengths and endearing qualities to attract the other inspite of their flaws. I will not give examples because today's show is proof that the CV's get it.😃😃😃😃

c) show as much friction as you want between the lead couple (adds to chemistry and entertainment) but show them standing united and defending the other unquestioningly when challenged or mocked by others (irrespective of whether it is angad or dadi or ss or shakti or komal or arushi or adarsh or amma )

Just remember today you have gained my deepest admiration.


Hope