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Posted: 13 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: without-fathom

And like you said Nur - the whole scene with Indu just MADE the drinking contention SO invalid!!! It was as if the drinking had suddenly become NOT his go to to GET OVER this truth thrown in his face - but to drill and drill and drill deeper still THE TRUTH as HE knew it!!! It was like the "un-drunk" reality was somehow causing him to weaken in the face of "paper and name facts" somehow "cracking" HIS TRUTH - and when he drunk, unlike EVERY OTHER case of "fictional drinking drama" we know - Mohan was getting drunk to HOLD ONTO HIS REALITY!

It gave him the asserting strength to say what he hadn't been able to say EVEN to himself - even if he "knew it in his head" - that Megha's love was THERE for HIM to see ALL OVER HER EYES! The truth STARED back at him. That he needed NO ONE, not even MEGHA to confirm it to him ... It was to be able to hold onto THIS "unattested" truth from all quarters that he STILL knew to be true, that he needed the alcohol in his system - and NOT just because he'd had this nth rejection, even if got SO much more grave than any before! There was a card which spoke one truth. And there was HE himself, who was LIVING another truth.

Agreeing with you Nur - his blend of drunken self preservation was... just crushing! The way he brings out humility and shame AND exerts rights and love in SUCH dauntless candor - 👏 👏 👏 - you're just at SUCH a loss trying to decide WHAT IS the one word or emotion to describe his state - there isn't one apparently! He's SO resisting AND accepting in the same moment. Ready to confess rights AND mistakes. And that he's in such a sorry disheveled state evoking SO much disgust from people who do NOT deserve a toe nail of his person - even as he STATES and not implores for his love! There is no resignation, or begging, or seeking anymore. He's matter of fact in such a manner of finality - like this IS the end of any and every game now.

LOOOVED these bits...fantastic points, Jzee👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I think someone mentioned Kesar in here, right? I'd say yesterday Mohan reminded me of that epi when Kesar hits rock bottom...and goes to stand outside her house and literally begs her to come back telling her he CAN'T live without her...I remember saying even back then that they made Kesar so rawly pathetic in that state that it becomes DIFFICULT to watch...

I never wanted Mohan to come to this state...this is a different show, a very different story...for Kesar, no matter how pathetic he got reaching that stage, it worked cuz Gulaal was something beyond definitions to him...so I still feel Mohan did not need to be brought down to SUCH a hopeless, pathetic state with endless rejections and him making this one last ditch attempt cuz he's that far gone.

The ONLY reason I can appreciate this scene is cuz of Kunal...to put it simply, there is such SACCHAI, such HONESTY in his acting that he makes even the ridiculous seem credible...Mohan shouldn't be in this state...it's all thanks to the writers and the channel wanting drama pressures that he's been brought to this state...for they want to set up some big "confession" or "wedding" or whatever comes to be...to justify Mohan falling BEYOND patheticness also to reach a stage where he takes ANOTHER decision in anger and heartbreak...and so the cycle continues.

Anyways, Kunal was fabulous in yesterday's scene but still overall as an actor there is a limit to which he can hold this show...there will be a breaking point for Mohan's character also after which they won't be able to redeem him no matter what they do...and if we lose that connect to Mohan's character, we lose it...very slim chances of even Kunal's brilliant acting saving it then.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: shabbnam
so this is my very first post ever on IF. 😊

have been a silent reader here since nbt started and, in the magnificent kkk's own words to you jzee, i'm a 'big fan' too!👏

just popped in to say 'thank you' for this beautiful write-up, and pls do send it to HIM. i'm saying HIM in capitals almost like i'm saying GOD, but you'll excuse the excessive superlatives after that performance i'm sure.😆

like most of you i'm appalled at what the story has dumbed down to. when i watch scenes from those glory days of the first hundred episodes i just want to weep.

i keep telling myself i'll quit the show but i'm still here. can't seem to cut the umbilical cord. it doesn't help that if i do quit i'm denying myself the pleasure of watching an actor who can, gasp, actually act. in these days of rot and mediocrity on tv where bulging biceps and a single expression masquerade as acting, kunal karan kapoor is like a magnet that i can't seem to pull away from.

thanks again jzee .. more power to your blue tinted words. 👍🏼

Fantastic post, Shabnam!👏 Welcome to the forum! :-)

In better times I'd say do join in on the discussions but given the current state of the show it generally becomes hard to say much about the actual story...I guess we can all only appreciate the acting whatever little we can cuz like you said GASP in the rot that currently rules on TV with bulging biceps and single blank expressions, this show seems to be the only light on the horizon...however bleak it currently is...and dimming by the second sadly...ah well.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 13 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: Maz.

p.s Mohan does drink..remember that episode, the very first interaction of him and Ved...when he goes jogging, he carries with him a small bottle that Guru himself gives Mohan.. so yea that was not surprising...but it just left me wondering that the earlier incident (rain slap) when he throws stuff around in his home, was he searching for this bottle back then?.. maybe or maybe not...lol...

That bottle was given to Mohan on Indu's behest via Guru...cuz it was cold in those days and it was supposed to be like a brandy to warm him up I guess?...and Mohan didn't drink from that bottle even then...woh toh unfortunate incident ho gaya with Papaji with the daaru spilling on him😆

So I wouldn't say Mohan was necessarily a teetotaler before this but he didn't seem inclined to drink either...the bottle seems to be some long forgotten stash of his or maybe Indu's...lol

I think after the rain slap, he was just wreaking destruction in general...he wasn't specifically looking for the bottle...he was just throwing things around in frustration.

But this time they showed the moment when he THINKS of looking for the bottle...his head comes up for a bit and then he goes around tossing things here and there searching for the bottle...brilliant acting from Kunal.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#44

@Nur...

Haan..yea I know he did not drink then..

you're right.. last time was just plain frustration..

never thought we'd see a Mohan drunk scene...just watched the scenes in one go...no replays n all..but everything is so vivid in my mind...truly excellent acting by Kunal!.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 13 years ago

#45

Originally posted by: Maz.
@Nur...

Haan..yea I know he did not drink then..

you're right.. last time was just plain frustration..

never thought we'd see a Mohan drunk scene...just watched the scenes in one go...no replays n all..but everything is so vivid in my mind...truly excellent acting by Kunal!.

LOL yeah I never thought we'd see a drunk Mohan scene either...but I guess with all the Devdas foreshadowing in the dialogues, this was inevitable sooner or later? They seem adamant about driving Mohan to the depths of despair as much as they can...

Yeah just for his acting I felt like uploading the scenes too and cutting out all the Megha blahhness, Renu, Mr. Clean bits stuck in the middle...so that we can just watch his acting uninterrupted cuz that was all that held the epi together truly in my opinion.

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: shabbnam
so this is my very first post ever on IF. 😊

have been a silent reader here since nbt started and, in the magnificent kkk's own words to you jzee, i'm a 'big fan' too!👏

just popped in to say 'thank you' for this beautiful write-up, and pls do send it to HIM. i'm saying HIM in capitals almost like i'm saying GOD, but you'll excuse the excessive superlatives after that performance i'm sure.😆

like most of you i'm appalled at what the story has dumbed down to. when i watch scenes from those glory days of the first hundred episodes i just want to weep.

i keep telling myself i'll quit the show but i'm still here. can't seem to cut the umbilical cord. it doesn't help that if i do quit i'm denying myself the pleasure of watching an actor who can, gasp, actually act. in these days of rot and mediocrity on tv where bulging biceps and a single expression masquerade as acting, kunal karan kapoor is like a magnet that i can't seem to pull away from.

thanks again jzee .. more power to your blue tinted words. 👍🏼

Shabbnam, welcome to the forum, to the thread - and a BIG thanks for your very generous words!!! Saying "HIM" like saying "GOD" - hahaha! Oh boy!!! Reminds me of how Mum insisted when I was still a kid that I spell it with a "capital G" - and that people at my school didn't teach proper "English" and it's funny how I've somehow learned to ignore that, but there are still days I go back and fix the "G" even in "Godforsaken" 😆 Okay, this is totally off context - no idea how it came on, excuse my nonsense rambles!

And word to your entire post actually - which as Shamil said is very well and succinctly expressive of what a bunch of us ardently feel here - but also like Nur said, I don't know if I should tell you about this being a good time or not to plunge into the forum... we've definitely seen better crazier times - crazy in the good way!

And to bits in bold - 👏 - eggjactly!!! That's JUST it! The choice is between - well, watching the "dumbed down" story as you say for a superlative actor who continues to peak higher than his better times as Mohan in the show - or not. Sadly, as Nur and Shamil also said, if I lose "connect" with Mohan - which is basically somehow going to be only a consequence of Sonal/Kunal losing it - the umbilical chord will have cut. It seems imperative every other day - yet, when it doesn't happen, somehow involuntarily, I can't but wonder, if it won't?! Aah! Hope is such a deceptive trick of the mind!!!

Originally posted by: AreYaar
LOOOVED these bits...fantastic points, Jzee👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I think someone mentioned Kesar in here, right? I'd say yesterday Mohan reminded me of that epi when Kesar hits rock bottom...and goes to stand outside her house and literally begs her to come back telling her he CAN'T live without her...I remember saying even back then that they made Kesar so rawly pathetic in that state that it becomes DIFFICULT to watch...

I never wanted Mohan to come to this state...this is a different show, a very different story...for Kesar, no matter how pathetic he got reaching that stage, it worked cuz Gulaal was something beyond definitions to him...so I still feel Mohan did not need to be brought down to SUCH a hopeless, pathetic state with endless rejections and him making this one last ditch attempt cuz he's that far gone.

Anyways, Kunal was fabulous in yesterday's scene but still overall as an actor there is a limit to which he can hold this show...there will be a breaking point for Mohan's character also after which they won't be able to redeem him no matter what they do...and if we lose that connect to Mohan's character, we lose it...very slim chances of even Kunal's brilliant acting saving it then.

Nurey ji, that bit in BIG and bold just NAILS it!!! That is EXACTLY the emotion I underwent yesterday, while watching pausing, watching pausing, the clip!!! And yes, Kesar's was JUST ANOTHER league of suffering so interestingly even though it had yet been drawn an edge even beyond Mohan, I hadn't taken such a beating watching it in a go. Perhaps I wasn't watching it live back then - or maybe I was, I can't remember. But yesterday is still stark - and DIFFICULT to watch for the SHEER complete earnest reality Kunal put to it has so much to do with it! There was Friday I couldn't watch for other reasons. And there was Monday, I STRUGGLED between watching and pausing for other reasons!

And word also to how Mohan should not be brought to such plight. In "technicality" of his sketch, this is NOT where he belongs. And that IS what I meant when I said, if you believe a lie, somehow, you can make it a truth in an alter space! I still HAVE my objections to the whole sequence BEING brought to this and that - but just watching Mohan in that space - I was compelled not just to connect and BE a part of his side of the story and feel like almost personally - but to somehow, wonder, if it wasn't real and credible at some level even for a Mohan like person to come to this? He just BROUGHT you to that that point, where somehow despite all your will, you believed it could be, and so was...!

And like I said to Shabbnam above about your point on "disconnecting" with Mohan beingit... Yes. I keep thinking it's going to happen/has happened - but it hasn't yet... somehow... and that keeps the umbilical chord as Shabbnam calls it from breaking just yet... ?! Aah, I dunno!!! I told you, I can't predict my own perceptions going from episode to episode anymore, not even funny!

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AreYaar

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Posted: 13 years ago

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You know Jzee, I didn't find it DIFFICULT to watch Mohan yesterday...not that I wasn't hit hard by his state and what he had been brought to and how Kunal enacted it...but Kesar's level of patheticness in that state was just too much...Mohan thankfully is still not at THAT level...again cuz the situations are different too in a sense, the characters are different, different relationships, different things holding the respective characters back.

Mohan for his part even in that much of a state of breakdown, shame just oddly had a DIGNITY about him...Kesar for his part was totally beyond dignity also when he reached that stage...he was nothing but just this RAW thing by that point...too difficult for me to watch till this day...those are the only GK scenes I don't watch on repeat...lol

It's probably kudos to Kunal's acting too that I could objectively on a level keep on going wow in my head watching him enact all this even as I felt Mohan's heartbreak acutely...the maturity that's developed in his acting with time...you can just SEE the graph...makes you proud of the guy for how far he's come.

As for the future...lol yes none of us can predict our reactions but I fact also remains that these ppl are capable of anything in their blind and misguided ambitions to get the mahaan TRPs...so I don't know how long I can stomach the b.s. even to watch Kunal's acting.

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without-fathom

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Posted: 13 years ago

#48

Originally posted by: Maz.

And absolutely agree with you guys about the fact that with Mohan, many of the other characters just make so much more sense than ever before.. like Indu...it surprised me so much that I could actually agree with her, empathize with her a little.. basically she felt like a real mom there.. that is something only your mom's can tell you, and by god do they always say the right things at such times..no matter what..

I don't know about NBT's story further ahead...but living in the moment...this was a stupendous performance from Kunal 👏and yes I will also acknowledge whatever role Sonal brought into this particular episode...and the dialogues for Mohan when he's talking with his mom.

p.s Mohan does drink..remember that episode, the very first interaction of him and Ved...when he goes jogging, he carries with him a small bottle that Guru himself gives Mohan.. so yea that was not surprising...but it just left me wondering that the earlier incident (rain slap) when he throws stuff around in his home, was he searching for this bottle back then?.. maybe or maybe not...lol...

Maz, I think the Indu Mohan scene was almost unanimously received for once 😆 Not entirely I'm guessing - there just must be some Mohan fans who hated Indu for "leading him to pain" - but I honestly thought yesterday was the one time she was actually IN THE SHOES of a mother! Rightfully!

And yes, like Nur and you and I guess at least some people will agree out here - a brilliant Monday episode entirely on account of Kunal is hardly a torch to hold up in hope of "NBT's redemption" as a show. But the moment, the episode, deserve the accolades - and for the nth time I'll say, I'm glad he could make "6monthmark" stand out for the viewers. It's sad enough that the show itself feels so disillusioned - that he could deliver such a power-packed stunner in the middle of it, better than literally any moment of test he may have faced as an actor playing Mohan - does make me a very content fan. Singularly, but so!

Nurey - Sigh... I wish I could say no, but you're right. You not only know better of how they will stop at nothing for whatever invisible TRPs they're vying at, I've also lost the mental glow of the concept that because Gulaal was one show, every show which starts off being different can miraculously somehow hold out. I'd be more glad and grateful than I can say if the seeming "grim truth" proved to be wrong - and I won't care HOW it was proved wrong, as long as it was! In the meanwhile...!

Maz - lol, I don't think that rum thing counts as "drinking" because as far as I can remember even from being a child, my momma always added random spoons of it to milk and warm water almost throughout the snow season, because I was such a perpetual "sinus-hit" kid 😆 And Indu did once tell "Monu" how when he was a kid his nose would keep running and he'd never have a kerchief 😆 (one reason he's ended up being in love with the lady of hankies with a daughter of hanky knots 🤣) but anyway, I'm saying I think rum's just something normal households have, don't they? Like even for basic kaada and stuff?

@Mohan's last time pulling the place apart - yeh, I think last time he was just creating chaos. This time he really KNEW he was looking for the alcohol, he even emptied the kitchen shelves for it... 🤓

@Difficult scene to watch - Nur I agree about the "dignity" in Mohan still standing vs Kesar - but that is what I'm saying. Somehow, for Kesar, it all just FELL in place. It was a difficult scene to watch because it was RAW real and debase in every sense of that - but Mohan's was hard for me to watch because of what you said about how THIS is NOT where he should be! Technically, this is NOT Mohan! Because Kunal did such a fantastically real job of the scene, it would have been a loss to not watch and honestly no written accounts could have made me connect with it while logic stood otherwise - so watching was like necessary at that level - but it didn't change the niggling thing about how Mohan was NOT meant to be this guy! Honestly, everytime they panned the camera to Megha, I felt personal grudge on HER to bring him to this - but that was "the scene grudge" because technically, she's as much a "victim" in the hands "designing fate" on this show 😳

Khair... Today's episode not far from airing and I have massst hopes 🤓

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Posted: 13 years ago

#49

Originally posted by: shabbnam
so this is my very first post ever on IF. 😊

have been a silent reader here since nbt started and, in the magnificent kkk's own words to you jzee, i'm a 'big fan' too!👏

just popped in to say 'thank you' for this beautiful write-up, and pls do send it to HIM. i'm saying HIM in capitals almost like i'm saying GOD, but you'll excuse the excessive superlatives after that performance i'm sure.😆

like most of you i'm appalled at what the story has dumbed down to. when i watch scenes from those glory days of the first hundred episodes i just want to weep.

i keep telling myself i'll quit the show but i'm still here. can't seem to cut the umbilical cord. it doesn't help that if i do quit i'm denying myself the pleasure of watching an actor who can, gasp, actually act. in these days of rot and mediocrity on tv where bulging biceps and a single expression masquerade as acting, kunal karan kapoor is like a magnet that i can't seem to pull away from.

thanks again jzee .. more power to your blue tinted words. 👍🏼

compeletely agree with the highlighted text...when i watch the first 100 episodes..i go awww in appreciation now also i say awww when i watch the episodes but this time with pain and disgust with the script...man wat happened to the BG score , off late it is like any saas bahu serial...with high tempo..first thing that attracted me towards NBT is teh BG score..now even that is lost

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Posted: 13 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: without-fathom

Maz, I think the Indu Mohan scene was almost unanimously received for once 😆 Not entirely I'm guessing - there just must be some Mohan fans who hated Indu for "leading him to pain" - but I honestly thought yesterday was the one time she was actually IN THE SHOES of a mother! Rightfully!

And yes, like Nur and you and I guess at least some people will agree out here - a brilliant Monday episode entirely on account of Kunal is hardly a torch to hold up in hope of "NBT's redemption" as a show. But the moment, the episode, deserve the accolades - and for the nth time I'll say, I'm glad he could make "6monthmark" stand out for the viewers. It's sad enough that the show itself feels so disillusioned - that he could deliver such a power-packed stunner in the middle of it, better than literally any moment of test he may have faced as an actor playing Mohan - does make me a very content fan. Singularly, but so!

Nurey - Sigh... I wish I could say no, but you're right. You not only know better of how they will stop at nothing for whatever invisible TRPs they're vying at, I've also lost the mental glow of the concept that because Gulaal was one show, every show which starts off being different can miraculously somehow hold out. I'd be more glad and grateful than I can say if the seeming "grim truth" proved to be wrong - and I won't care HOW it was proved wrong, as long as it was! In the meanwhile...!

Maz - lol, I don't think that rum thing counts as "drinking" because as far as I can remember even from being a child, my momma always added random spoons of it to milk and warm water almost throughout the snow season, because I was such a perpetual "sinus-hit" kid 😆 And Indu did once tell "Monu" how when he was a kid his nose would keep running and he'd never have a kerchief 😆 (one reason he's ended up being in love with the lady of hankies with a daughter of hanky knots 🤣) but anyway, I'm saying I think rum's just something normal households have, don't they? Like even for basic kaada and stuff?

@Mohan's last time pulling the place apart - yeh, I think last time he was just creating chaos. This time he really KNEW he was looking for the alcohol, he even emptied the kitchen shelves for it... 🤓

@Difficult scene to watch - Nur I agree about the "dignity" in Mohan still standing vs Kesar - but that is what I'm saying. Somehow, for Kesar, it all just FELL in place. It was a difficult scene to watch because it was RAW real and debase in every sense of that - but Mohan's was hard for me to watch because of what you said about how THIS is NOT where he should be! Technically, this is NOT Mohan! Because Kunal did such a fantastically real job of the scene, it would have been a loss to not watch and honestly no written accounts could have made me connect with it while logic stood otherwise - so watching was like necessary at that level - but it didn't change the niggling thing about how Mohan was NOT meant to be this guy! Honestly, everytime they panned the camera to Megha, I felt personal grudge on HER to bring him to this - but that was "the scene grudge" because technically, she's as much a "victim" in the hands "designing fate" on this show 😳

Khair... Today's episode not far from airing and I have massst hopes 🤓

@BOLD - This is exactly what i also felt JZee last night. I could relate to Megha till the slap and even to some extent after the slap, but the day she dragged him to muhalla and declared that she will marry Manav, I lost her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is not really a victim as she brought this upon herself. I really felt that instead of making mushy eyes at him at some point and then been hitler at another point, it was better to be a hitler always and firmly tell him out loud to BUZZ OFF. The min Mohan's attitude changed she was like just wanting him to LOOK at her. So will we blame Mohan bec he got so many signs (through her eyes) that she does love him???? NO.

And i agree with ANU, the state we saw in him yesterday WAS NOT NECESSARY. But the way he was rejected so many times and humiliated in a jiff (n number of times), he just burst out in that way. Ofcourse Indu instigated that in him :).

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