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Paradise lost....the fall of the angels

The 1667 poem by John Milton.. reverberates with the following message..

Man's disobedience, and the loss thereupon of Paradise wherein he was placed

Today we highlight this same theme ... in the context of a given character and thereby her equation with her soulmate..

Gunjan.. a still lake.. whose world were the books that she devoured and learned from ... an individual who was mature for her age. .. who observed ... thought ... and introspected way more than she voiced.. a reflection of an angel that appeared sensitive and delicate from the exterior but had steely determination and a core strength ... when it came to her beliefs and convictions ...

The balance in her persona was brought about by the effervescence of the guy she first became friends with ... and later through him, she got acquainted with the beating of her heart and the essence of her soul ... and hence was immortalized in what could have been a clichd love story ... but instead became an extraordinary one ... an experience that made the viewers believe in PARADISE ... for this was what PERFECT love stories were made of ...

Today as we sadly look at the picture of that angel, we see she has FALLEN ... fallen from her own grace and conviction ... some one who speaks without introspecting ... someone who lacks intensity and grace and maturity, her most prized and valued attributes ... someone who takes things at face value .. almost having no patience for the implied ... to the extent that she has lost bearings with the practicality and reality that was once her alter ego ... someone who has lost touch with the truth and values that once defined her ...

But WHY- we ask ... Man's DISOBEDIENCE ... WHY this necessity to experiment.. with his own creation.. and environ.. simply refusing to see the reality..

hence this post comes with a mirror

CVs ... if you kindly take time to read this ... we want to clarify one thing ... when the show started, people who enjoy the zest and the spirit of LIFE ... loved Nupur ... and those who have an eye for stoic poise, who respected graceful maturity, got attracted to Gunjan ... what made SG click was their implied understated equation which was extremely sensitive ' and if I may add, what made MN epic was the fire interspersed with their tete'a' tetes (read nokjhoks)..

And, dear CV's ... it's time to face the reality ... there is a CLEAR SEGMENTATION .. between the 2 types of audience..

In the name of transformation of personalities.. when you experiment with Gunjan, or for that matter, with SG, such that they lose their essence and are transformed beyond recognition, you run the risk of alienating the audience that loved these characters. AND at the same time you DO NOT really attract the audience that loves exuberance because they already have what they like ... In the name of uniformity you have played with fire to the point where you hamper viewership ... and I hope you guys have a better idea of the numbers than we do ... but from the slowly growing dissatisfaction in this mini-reflection of your audience, as well as from those numbers which we do see here, the fact seems undeniable that one sizeable section of the audience is disheartened and disappointed ... and is disconnecting from a much loved show.

We do not command that you run your show to our whim but we do REQUEST you to sit and take notice of the very obvious fallacies in the experiment ... recognize the USP of Gunjan and SG ... and acknowledge that in the eyes of those audiences that VOICE their opinion, their PARADISE IS LOST...

So while Milton came with a PARADISE REGAINED ... we can only hope you have the spirit and the will to do an encore as well ...

More than even a REQUEST, this is a PLEA ... a call for the return of characters we loved and respected and admired ...


Sonali & Diya

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Diya Sona firstly an ovation to you girls 👏👏👏 simply the most amazing post ever !!!
this so describes what we feel at the moment ... with regards to SaJan and esp Gunjan.. sadly


now to start off what i feel - hmm so where do i begin ? ok here goes nothing

as always i will maintain - no one can beat u 2 ashu and navz at getting gunjan - who she is what she is about - i m called the Sam expert amongst us ... but that apart - there is a reason i love SaJan... and its not just Sam - not just Mohit or Sanaya - its the people who i saw on screen Samrat & Gunjan

our choices are a reflection of our thoughts our tastes and our personality - they are an extension of who we are ... hence i believe anything we like has our mark somewhere - and what we LOVE - is an extension of just that ... the difference however between LIKE & LOVE is one pleases our thoughts our mind - the other makes a place in our heart

with SaJan - i dint just come to LIKE - I came to LOVE - this couple both of them

i may not have always been very vocal about my thoughts for Gunjan because i felt there are better interpreters then me hence why ruin something so good - just enjoy however today i wanna speak about her

yes I'd maintain I identify a lot with Sam... but it doesnt mean i dont with Gunjan i do - since i see parts of me in both of these people i LOVE em

to me Gunjan is not the larger than life telly heroine - no she is just a simple spectacled girl who i think is somewhat like me in some parts


the Gunjan within me is a girl who like her takes time to make friends; hates lies; wears specs; is emotional; but practical too - is someone who wants the simple things - is real

like Gunjan was in the show - a bookworm so am i - i can stay with books forever - like her i have never dreamed of a hero whisking me away too... i am not a dreamer - i m just a simple girl who thinks and acts and lives each day as it comes not trying to weave fantasies - aim for the stars with her head in the clouds.. no i just walk on solid ground my feet firmly placed on earth .. and my sights ahead .... i dont dream - PERIOD.

this is me - this was Gunjan .. the Gunjan of season 1 - the girl I came to like, then adore , then admire , and then LOVE - for she is someone just like me... yes because I could see myself in her - i could love her... the idea which was the basis of the conceptualization of a character such as her ....

I m yet to experience Love like her... have not met my Sam yet 😳 - but yes i want a guy just like she has - and a love like her ... cos i like her believe in a one time commitment - Gunjan who had once said to Sam as she confessed - ' Tumne mere dil aur dimaag main ek aisi jagaah bana li hai jisse aur koi nahi le sakta' - when i fall in love ... i know it'd be my first and last - i'd be unable to ever ever have someone else in my mind and heart.... as she did - perhaps hence she was happy post the most ultimate surrender a girl could make too - for she knows this is forever - this is for keeps.. she knows she is meant to be only his .. and what happened was just the culmination of what was destined to be - she never regretted one bit for giving away what she had - cos it wasnt a mistake ever in her sensibilities....

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she became someone more firm rigid practical - someone who in a bout of anger could say the most awful things to Samrat too cos the fact that she hated him with all she had - she loved him still with every breath of hers - made her so so complex - that it amazed me... and yet i could still say she is my Gunji... someone i still know understand feel and relate to

her love her hate her anger her helplessness - anything everything made sense to me... she was still someone i knew - understood and above all LOVED... i could still not feel a spite for her despite her harshness with Samrat - for from her POV it was fair - justified - and perhaps her only choice... i think i last saw this Gunjan in season 2 on the bus stop scene where she cries her heart out seeing her Di...

now the post that phase... she was still fine to me when she lied for her sis - to have her back - however i couldnt relate to her on that disaster of a date in the college when they were forced in by the lock up

next i saw her again when during the dhruv track she was all shaken up and unable to accept this is not her di - where she cried and Sam hugged her to quiet her - console her - help her......

when she refused Sam' time and again lets be together again proposals i saw her denial as her guilt as the underlying reason - yes still she was identifiable to me

when she was concerned for Sam as he quit as the trustee i could relate to her worry even her going to the extremes such as climbing ladders making plans - cos perhaps ... this over enthusiasm was her suppressed love for Sam - her guilt and i somehow saw it as her act to make that bridge between her and Sam again ... perhaps her attempt to have him back - reconcile and be together with him - while trying to set his life on course on track

when she was hurt by Sam' lie and responded angrily i was still not surprised by her - she blasted him stormed off and .... and that's the last time i think i saw her
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post that has been like watching a series of episodes with a girl who has a similar face , voice and the same name - yet she was not Gunjan ... to me at least

i cannot - and i mean cannot perceive her being so heartless towards Samrat that she'd blast him in public in excel - she who couldn't even blast him for his lies abt the bet in his own party at his home... here she was making a mockery out of him in public while he was punishing himself

i cannot fathom she'd rather make posters for some elections while Sam was hungry and thirsty - the same girl who cried her eyes out and wouldn't eat a thing until she heard he was fine and OK in Prison when he was framed by RV

today when she is lying cheating being this overtly bubbly sister figure not being herself i cannot identify with her - when she had once strongly stood against that very own sister when she had wrongfully accused Sam' intentions with her ... or had blasted Mayank when he was quick to think and made a misjudgment regarding her sister ...

i cannot see this girl today blasting Sam for no reason acting weirdly as Gunjan .. when once she had lied before to Sam it was for his sake - his own family - which she wished to reunite by helping him bond with his long estranged sister once again ...

however this Gunjan who lies to win some elections is beyond me ... who behaves without any rationalization of things - without realizing the results of her actions is beyond me ... and moreover this Gunjan who cannot FEEL - is beyond me

this Gunjan who wants to make Sam her puppet and cannot set the one she Loves FREE is beyond me ... to me she is a clone of rather someone else... she is not my Gunjan ... our Gunji.. no she is just someone with the same face, eyes , voice and even name - but the person who she is ... is really way beyond me

Edited by aahana86 - 15 years ago
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OMGG....paradise lost...just the other day in skool we did the poem called 'report to wordsworth' by Boey Kim Cheng and along with that r teacher made us do 3 sonnets by Wordsworth as well as this poem!! 🤣🤣

i don't hav time to read right now....will do it asap!! bt i'm guessing its on the change in SG, as characters with Gunjan being the highlight....so thanks for the post, it was well needed!! hope the cvs lurking around read it!!

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diya and sona - 👏👍🏼 *standing ovation* i appreciate u guys for taking this step. we want our gunjan back!

ok finally to the topic.

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many out there must be knowing tht i have loved gunjan, always. tht is becos since the beginning i have found myself in her. i can always relate to her. ok, i wont go all far and praise to call myself innocent. but there was a time when my cousins used to call me the same thing. and i was innocent. tht was really many years back. along with tht i was a very reserved and shy person. just like gunjan. and that was exactly two years back. ur main challenge comes when u visit places like schools and colleges, classes etc. just like gunjan who had to face students at excel two years bk i had to face my class mates at MSc. MSc was a bigger challege than rest of the 15 years in my life bcos i always studied in low profile girls college so that wasnt a prob, but for MSc, u have to get up and speak up.

today after 3 years, gunjan has gained confidence. many think that it is her groW*H. i agree to the point just till there. bcos even i have seen the same transition in myself from being reserved to being a lil confident. my close friends at IF must be knowing me well. they wont call me reserved anymore. but why are u different than those who were never like u then? it is bcos the same reservedness, innocence and shyness comes bk at certain times when u meet new ppl. when u face new things, which u never saw in life. i feel it. those ppl who make me feel comfortable i get very open to them and speak my heart out , but the ones who i dont knw, i m still close and reserved in front of them. i m a close book in front of them. today, it doesnt feels the same for gunjan. even when ur character gets a certain kind of groW*H ur original essence is always intact, and ur original self always remains. bcos tht is ur true identity. u never become someone else. this is the mistake CVs are doing. the groW*H in the character of gunjan was seen until and unless it was facing the world and becoming open in the absence of the two most important persons in her life.

plus wht gunjan is doing now a days is doing wrong things. even if my character has seen changes, and from being reserved i have turned confident...i wud not stop being friendly as i was before. i wont stop being polite and well mannered while speaking.. but it looks like CVs have made gunjan stop those things. i agree to give her groW*H in her character, but they also made lose her essence along with it which was wrong. so today i can only partially perceive myself in gunjan, i had known 2 years back.

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coming to SaJan. whenever i heard the word Gunjan or for tht matter SaJan, the words like innocence wud come into my mind. and it was only bcos of Gunjan's innocence their love story carried a totally different meaning and their love was innocence, pure and sweet. otherwise Samrat had been with Dia and Sheena, never was the story same like it was for Sajan. for Sajan it was innocence, shyness and soft love...even when they were just friends and not officially a couple. the same thing goes missing now. and for tht matter samrat's character is not to be blamed, he has always been like this...it is Gunjan who has changed and therefore the equation of their love story or their relationship has completely changed. Even if gunjan's character saw groW*H, when it came to samrat, most of the times it was conversations thru eyes, it was shyness, it was caring, it was feelings, it was emotions, it was thinking for one another, it was loving.....but right now there is nothing... therefore i truly want to repeat ur words ....

PARADISE LOST!
Edited by talkativetaurus - 15 years ago
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paradise lost , i think indeed this is best suitable title ,first of all sona and diya🤗wonderful and superb topic 👏 in real sense we all sajan fans lost our paradise and dreamland of sajan i don't know where we lost them, sajan fragrance of love , passion devotion and purity . their usp is understanding , faith and trust when i look behind and recalled sajan and today when i see sajan i have no same feeling which i got in past on seeing them ,we connected with them and right now we want to connect with them but in such a change of char how to connect i don't know

sajan's essence their love and understanding , gunjan who always trusted him more than herself today not leave any chance to insult him and for that cvs r responsible , i am hating myself saying this first time i am saying against my sweetheart gun 😭 ok this is char groW*H but in reverse direction ?😲 we saw mature sajan in first season and also in starting of season 2 then what happened suddenly that char changed in such a panicking way 😭

cvs have given us most wonderful and magical couple in our life obviously we all r thankful to them but why they r ruining char i am surprised with one fact after second season they left all sajan's issues and tracks unsolved and in mid way , no progress and showing them for the sake of fans ya we all want them but with good story line

i know they r trying to entertain us but cvs mjht's audience is not only kids , they all r mature and now kids r more mature than this show's all char diya and sona u both said it right sajan 's fans 's main reason to love them is only and only their maturity and their understanding level

MATURITY -UNDERSTANDING -TRUST AND FAITH, COMMUNICATION i always love sajan's this qualities which made me to fall for them their innocence their selfless nature , they need not to make each other feel that they love each other but their one heartfelt talk made them feel the rhythm of love , not in love but in their tiff they always solved their matter with their talk and communication , they need not to any third person to solve their tiffs but they themselves always did it , and most imp their friendship , u know in love they always been friends , their love started with friendship and after being in relationship they maintained their friendship this is called my sajan


here if we demand for new track then they always came with haddis , but we don't want haddies all the time we want something new first they showed haddi for sam then for gun and then again they tried with ash , nope for sajan's love there is no need to show always haddis in it but we want sajan's full fledged track with understanding , we want scenes not like such a comedy if u want such a comic scene then give us with their essence as we had such a example as we got comedy in RJ hunt track with sajan's essence and also at the time of holi but with sajan's essence but here i can't recognize my januable 😭

in the end if cvs will read this thread i want to say one thing i want my sajan back their essence back missing them badly 😭🤗
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First of all Diya and Sona! 👏 👏 Ths was a much needed post here.. And if possible.. Do send ths post to the CREATIVES asap! They need an Eye- Opener Now! Its all getting too much!


I cmpletely agree with u guyz! In order to gve uniformity to the characters.. They are SIMPLY digging their own graves.. They are losing half of the audience of this show by repeating their mistake..

U said it 100% correctly! When ths show started.. Many ppl got attracted to Nupur's character cuz she was lively and chirpy! Hence her character targetted youngsters the most who love vivaciousness..

But as the show proceeded.. That audience.. Who had an EYE to look into the DEPTH of characters and who loved the complexities of mind.. They got attracted to the Beauty of the Characters of Samrat and Gunjan..

As for Me.. I got attracted to Gunjan.. A Girl who was a firm believer of her principles.. A girl who never got carried away with emotions.. A girl whose EYES narrated her heart's emotions.. She Always preferred SILENCE as a better Answer to Many Questions.. She was the one who guided both her sister and Samrat in the best possible manner.. Being an Intelligent and Smart person.. She knew the EXACT way to solve their problems..

Where is She?? In the process of blending all characters in the darkness of COMEDY.. Creatives are destroying the essence of these characters esp Gunjan..

As for Samrat.. He ALWAYS believed in SHARING hs thoughts with Gunjan.. That promise scene of January.. Ths was the REAL Samrat.. Who called Gunjan hs Soulmate.. Then how cum he is so un aware of whats going on in HER mind.. Where is hs one point focus?

Lastly Sajan.. Only God knows how badly my heart pains seeing them like ths.. Its like watchng my loved one die infront of my eyes and i am unable to save them.. But sadly those who are having their POWER to Control.. They are misusing it.. Infact killing those characters with their OWN hands whome they created themselves and that too beautifully and in a unique manner..

Sajan's USP is their Special bond that makes them to SHARE their inner most feelings with their partner.. They do NOT bicker uselessly and act as morons! They are MATURE ppl who are soft, polite, dignified, graceful and lastly they are BEST FRIENDS! Plz dnt ruin ths Beautiful couple.. I request u CVs..
Edited by CandYlicious_SG - 15 years ago
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Diya and Sona, needless to say, I think we all agree. What CVs( esp BB) call character development is actually a mockery, a joke in the name of development. I wanna only talk about Gunjan here, cause as such she was the only character I felt has always been consistent, right from Season 1 to Season 2. The character I related to, the character which never went out of proportion.

Cut to Season 2, and we see Gunjan as an evolved person, someone who had tackled her biggest weakness- that was her fear to face the world all alone, without the two most important ppl. We saw her dealing with her problems, expressing herself. The Gunjan we saw now was a NATURAL development from the Gunjan of Season 1, cause it helped her EVOLVE as a person. She became more strong headed, more independent, more courageous. It was obviously appreciated, cause it was a positive change in her, BUT- the MAIN FACT is, she still remained the same Gunjan. She was still the same intense, deep, reflective, person, only with some aspects of her personality becoming more visible. Cause though the Gunjan of Season 1 was shy, she always did do what her heart told her to do, and STOOD for it. So, basically CVs- it was a PROGRESSION.

Now, what we see isn't even worth being called a REGRESSION, cause Gunjan can never regress to what she never was. We see her as a different person, somebody who cannot be related to.. She encourages lying, participates in silly tactics, acts without even thinking, has forgotten to reflect, and we see her fighting with Samrat like a teenager, something which irritates the hell out of me, the word being nok-jhok.. So basically, the Gunjan I see appears superficial and unthinking. She doesn't show concern for Samrat, she doesn't THINK or FEEL.

I don't know what I wrote makes any sense, cause I am so pissed. I don't think anything can sort out the track, because when the characters themselves are lost, nothing would make sense. First, the characters of Samrat Gunjan have to return, specially Gunjan's character. Just hope this track doesn't make them permanently lost from where there can be no redemption.
Edited by aa123.80 - 15 years ago
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oh goshhhh😃😃 .... deep meaning darling 👏👏 really rockin post as always 👏👏

😳😳love u jana and thanks 4 da pm😛😛

- Sana -

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deep meaning.. but really thoughful n interesting di
luved ur postt.. rocking as always!
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Originally posted by: aa123.80

Diya and Sona, needless to say, I think we all agree. What CVs( esp BB) call character development is actually a mockery, a joke in the name of development. I wanna only talk about Gunjan here, cause as such she was the only character I felt has always been consistent, right from Season 1 to Season 2. The character I related to, the character which never went out of proportion.

Cut to Season 2, and we see Gunjan as an evolved person, someone who had tackled her biggest weakness- that was her fear to face the world all alone, without the two most important ppl. We saw her dealing with her problems, expressing herself. The Gunjan we saw now was a NATURAL development from the Gunjan of Season 1, cause it helped her EVOLVE as a person. She became more strong headed, more independent, more courageous. It was obviously appreciated, cause it was a positive change in her, BUT- the MAIN FACT is, she still remained the same Gunjan. She was still the same intense, deep, reflective, person, only with some aspects of her personality becoming more visible. Cause though the Gunjan of Season 1 was shy, she always did do what her heart told her to do, and STOOD for it. So, basically CVs- it was a PROGRESSION.

Now, what we see isn't even worth being called a REGRESSION, cause Gunjan can never regress to what she never was. We see her as a different person, somebody who cannot be related to.. She encourages lying, participates in silly tactics, acts without even thinking, has forgotten to reflect, and we see her fighting with Samrat like a teenager, something which irritates the hell out of me, the word being nok-jhok.. So basically, the Gunjan I see appears superficial and unthinking. She doesn't show concern for Samrat, she doesn't THINK or FEEL.
I don't know what I wrote makes any sense, cause I am so pissed.



simply beautiful Ishi 👏👏👏👏

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