Hadh ho gayi Thakurji............ - Page 3

Kools and my_view,

kools, why3, myview- wow! we r certainly resonating with the same thoughts. I still have a lurking hope somewhere in the corner of my heart that the creatives sit and discuss Rads character in depth and bring her to the fore. Hers is an intriguing one. I want that powerful woman to emerge from behind those tears.

She has a solid steel core that comes out when she sacrificed Dev after the Vat Savitri, when she gave ganga jal to dev's father in the crowd, when she took the decision to wear sindoor in spite of all the raised eyebrows, refusing marriage with keshav- so many instances.

So, to make her this watery mess because Amma has come around- that is a bit too much. I will give her a wide margin as girls tend to be emotional on their wedding day anyways. We have a saying in Tamil that says "Patram arindu picchai idu", meaning, knowing the character of the person who stands in front of you, you "give".

Rads has shown great wisdom in seeing thru Mrini, Purab etc., but Amma? It goes against the grain of her otherwise established character.

Oh well, after a long time I actually bothered to rewrite my usual nonsense about characterization. I ought to give up this foolishness of mine and just enjoy the song and dance sequences of radev!

Blokes:

oh cmon , why3 and blokes .......please do not give up posting like this . The forum cud do with such cool , clear posts which stand out ffor their superbly objective tone . Frankly sometimes the serial bores me , especially when the Rasam Parade is going on and Teri Har Jhalak and the glances start . { I mean how long will people glance at each other like this yaar . Thers a limit , wont they feel bored or sumthing . Can't a couple have a romantic and intelligent conversation too ? Sure they can ......anyways sigh .]................Point is at such times I visit the forum and find more interest in reading the posts . You two write really well so u must stay for us .

Kools,

The character of Radhika needs to be developed otherwise there is no hope for CB. This character being the lead, needs to have some SPINE and some Confidance. She needs to be showing fighting for her husband and his rights as well. Let's not show, a devoted girl only playing the role of a devoted daughter and sister. Her Role as a wife and daughter-in-law. One year later, this character is not evolved or developed at all.

Awesome posts ladies.

why 3, I especially enjoyed your view. And you are right about this show being unique, at least when it started. I too felt that but for me lately, that feeling has been wearing off. I wish the creatives would move on from these rasams and show Radhika and Dev having normal conversations instead of always giving vachans that are meant to be broken. I am giving the show another few weeks (around their annv time) since I am curious to know what Vishaka's deal is and then I am thinking off signing off for good. And yes, more than the show it is the forum I will miss.

If you ladies are not already tired of reading my ravings, can I put in my 2c and my grievances against Rads and then some? :)

Kshama vrat was one incident (among many others) where Radhika annoyed me. Couldn't she break free the shackles that tied her to the Shastri family and run to Dev and tell him how there was absolutely no need for him to go through this mindless pain?
But my guess is even if she had, Dev being so crazy about her (sometimes to the point of being absolutely blind) would still have gone ahead with the vrat, probably to keep the big secret from Shastri and the public and hence save Radhika and her family from humiliation or his family's wrath. So once the idea of doing the vrat was out in the open I don't think it could have been avoided.

Another incident that I was annoyed at Rads was when she asked Sashtri ji to fulfill his vachan. As soon as Shastriji gave that promise I knew this is what Radhika would ask from him. In fact vachan or no vachan Radhika would still have tried to coax Shastriji into seeing her side of the coin.
But my guess is Shastriji would have relented to anything Radhika said. I have made promises to my kids (granted they were not life and death ones) and haven't been able to keep many of them. The kids have been sad, disappointed and even angry at me but they move on. If I had a 20 year old girl who made the same demands on me like Rads my guess is I would explain all the pros and cons to her and say 'sorry can't do what you are asking and if you are going to be hurt or disappointed then tough luck just learn to deal with it'. In such a scenario I would think I am doing my duty as a parent and hence teaching my child that she cannot always demand illogical things from people and expect them to fulfill them.

The incident that annoyed me the most in the recent episodes was Rads asking Vishaka to go to PB to give the Kanha idol to Dev. Couldn't she have asked Devki or even Shastriji to do it. They would have gladly done it for her. After everything Vishaka did to the Purohit family how could she ask Vishaka to go to PB? How could Devki and Shastri ji allow that to happen?
My guess is that these two parents don't know how to step up and draw boundary lines with their kids and hence Rads always expect people who loves her to fall in with her 'sense of right'.

I don't remember the past episodes that well but during the days when she kept pushing Dev towards Vishaka, I thought it was sick. Either you completely get out of their lives or if you love the guy then own up to your role in his life. She didn't do either. Radhika kept making demands on Vishaka and Dev.
Both of them hardly ever stopped her from making such illogical demands on them. Dev especially always seems to succumb to Rads demands. Maybe if he had stood up against her demands early on, Rads would have realized that she is absolutely not doing anyone any favors by trying to bring Vishaka and Dev together.
In fact that is why I was so glad that Dev did not give into her beseeching looks during the ongoing wedding track when Rads told Vishaka (in front of Dev) that she wants Vishaka to do all the sisterly rasams.

Each and every character has their own flaws but according to me Radhika is the most flawed character.

I always seem to be standing up for Rads, not because I think she is a paragon of virtue or I am blind to all her faults but because I think sometimes it is easy to always find blame in the person who is the most flawed. And when this happens we fail to see the flaws or mistakes in the other people she is dealing with and how the others she is dealing with also contributes to the problems. I remember my Mom always telling me when I was a child that if you hear a clap it is because there were two hands involved and not just one. My post was mainly based on if I were to think Radhika as 'not a victim of abuse'. But I do think of her as a victim of abuse that is to a certain extent but this in no way means I excuse her for all her seemingly insensitive actions.

All that being said, I have come to the conclusion that the creatives to keep their show going for how many ever years are not going to show much growth in Radhika's character and hence some time soon I have to take my leave with all the good memories.

why3, i just wanted to address one of the statements you had made about your disappointment with Rads interaction with Amma during the wedding day.

I apologize if I sound obnoxious but just wanted to say that in real life we do see victims of abuse showing immense strength against many others except against the person who perpetrates the abuse. This is the case especially when they are reliving a particular incident that was mentally or physically traumatic that was caused by the perpetrator before. So, I believe Radhika's reaction to Amma both times when Amma was being mean to her and also when she was asking Amma for acceptance is very believable.

But I too was very very very disappointed with that scene just like you but for a different reason. While I believe Radhika's reaction could have happened in real life I also feel that this a show. They don't have to show what happens in a real victim's life all the time. They could have shown Rads stopping Amma and letting Amma know that there is no way Amma could come between her and Dev. But they won't. They will keep showing pain and atrocities being committed on her and her not being able to deal with it by herself, for the sake of popularity.

Originally posted by: angake

Awesome posts ladies.

why 3, I especially enjoyed your view. And you are right about this show being unique, at least when it started. I too felt that but for me lately, that feeling has been wearing off. I wish the creatives would move on from these rasams and show Radhika and Dev having normal conversations instead of always giving vachans that are meant to be broken. I am giving the show another few weeks (around their annv time) since I am curious to know what Vishaka's deal is and then I am thinking off signing off for good. And yes, more than the show it is the forum I will miss.

If you ladies are not already tired of reading my ravings, can I put in my 2c and my grievances against Rads and then some? Tired ? Angake , sometimes I even keep aside my work and read your analysis and two cents . Coz they r extremely interesting and well presented and brilliant ! Dismissing them as ravings is modesty on your part ...............I would read your analysis on any day and skip an episode of CB ........irrespective of the fact whether we agree on the topic or not .

Kshama vrat was one incident (among many others) where Radhika annoyed me. Couldn't she break free the shackles that tied her to the Shastri family and run to Dev and tell him how there was absolutely no need for him to go through this mindless pain?
But my guess is even if she had, Dev being so crazy about her (sometimes to the point of being absolutely blind) would still have gone ahead with the vrat, probably to keep the big secret from Shastri and the public and hence save Radhika and her family from humiliation or his family's wrath. So once the idea of doing the vrat was out in the open I don't think it could have been avoided. Ah , but there wud be a big diffrence then . The diffrence being that Dev would truly have been lover like .............it wud have been a lover's decision . Radhika wud have been truly a lover if she wud have rushed in his arms , told him he didn't need to go with the Kshama Vrat .....that she cud bear everything but not his physical abuse . She wud have risen in Dev's eyes even more , wud have risen in our eyes as a lover and be totally redeemed as a character . Inspite of that if Dev continued to do the Vrat.......we wouldn't have minded . Chalega .

Another incident that I was annoyed at Rads was when she asked Sashtri ji to fulfill his vachan. As soon as Shastriji gave that promise I knew this is what Radhika would ask from him. In fact vachan or no vachan Radhika would still have tried to coax Shastriji into seeing her side of the coin.
But my guess is Shastriji would have relented to anything Radhika said. I have made promises to my kids (granted they were not life and death ones) and haven't been able to keep many of them. The kids have been sad, disappointed and even angry at me but they move on. If I had a 20 year old girl who made the same demands on me like Rads my guess is I would explain all the pros and cons to her and say 'sorry can't do what you are asking and if you are going to be hurt or disappointed then tough luck just learn to deal with it'. In such a scenario I would think I am doing my duty as a parent and hence teaching my child that she cannot always demand illogical things from people and expect them to fulfill them.Hundred and one percent correct . Totally in agreement with you here . It is extremely dangerous to give vachans to Radhika for she inevitably uses them to pressurize those who have given them into doing things that they hate........or dont believe in . Like she uses the love card with Dev to push him in a loveless marraige with Vishakha ........saying if you love me , you will give this marraige more time and not walk away . Or , to her father..........remember that vachan Babuji ? Well , I want it encashed now ............please let Vishakha enter the house . This inspite of knowing that he had done a Tarpan in Vishakha's name .........that he felt very strongly about the subject . Where is Radhika's fear that Shastri may get a heart attack if he is pressurized to accept Vishakha...........an immensely sore subject , now ?It is for fear of Shastri getting a heart attack that she is supoosedly suppressing the lies about her first marraige , right ?Well isnt that same fear applicable to Vishakhas return too ? Any daughter wud have told her wayward sister , personally I have no problems with u , but Father is very sore about it still........he may gwet a stroke with this emotional drama.......so please stay away . But no........Radhika overules the Shastri and coolly takes Vishakha in and walks away ignoring the Shastri's hurt looks . And it is this inconsistency in her character that annoys me . If she is not supposed to have a practical bone in her body , how can she be clever enough to use the love card with Dev , the vachan card with Shastri and suggest to Dev to lie to his family that Vishakha isnt even participating in the wedding ? Is this remotely innocent from any angle ? No , it shows a shrewd judgement of human character and knowing exactly how to make him or her bend to your own wish . With the Shastri to whom character is all important she uses the vachan card.............with the smitten lover Dev , the love card . Also , she doesn't exactly care a damn about their feelings when she forces her feelings on them , does she ? So how come is this insensitivity branded as ' goodness ' ? What Vishakha does is insensitivity .........what Radhika does isnt ? In my opinion Radhika's brand of insensitivity is equal to Vishakhas .

The incident that annoyed me the most in the recent episodes was Rads asking Vishaka to go to PB to give the Kanha idol to Dev. Couldn't she have asked Devki or even Shastriji to do it. They would have gladly done it for her. After everything Vishaka did to the Purohit family how could she ask Vishaka to go to PB? How could Devki and Shastri ji allow that to happen? Again.......height of annoying insensitivity......this time to her inlaws . Poor Vishakha got a resounding slap but in my opinion the Radhika shud have at least got a verbal one from Dadima on the phone ........so next time she wud think twice before taking such insensitive decisions .
My guess is that these two parents don't know how to step up and draw boundary lines with their kids and hence Rads always expect people who loves her to fall in with her 'sense of right'.

I don't remember the past episodes that well but during the days when she kept pushing Dev towards Vishaka, I thought it was sick. Either you completely get out of their lives or if you love the guy then own up to your role in his life. She didn't do either. Radhika kept making demands on Vishaka and Dev.
Both of them hardly ever stopped her from making such illogical demands on them. Dev especially always seems to succumb to Rads demands. Maybe if he had stood up against her demands early on, Rads would have realized that she is absolutely not doing anyone any favors by trying to bring Vishaka and Dev together. The day this serial shows Dev overruling her firmly and telling her that he loves her but that doesn't mean he will listen to any nonsense advocated by her , I will write a congratulatory post to creatives . I do not however believe we will see this .
In fact that is why I was so glad that Dev did not give into her beseeching looks during the ongoing wedding track when Rads told Vishaka (in front of Dev) that she wants Vishaka to do all the sisterly rasams. Must see the video . I have missed this .

Each and every character has their own flaws but according to me Radhika is the most flawed character.Yup . Totally agreed .

I always seem to be standing up for Rads, not because I think she is a paragon of virtue or I am blind to all her faults but because I think sometimes it is easy to always find blame in the person who is the most flawed. And when this happens we fail to see the flaws or mistakes in the other people she is dealing with and how the others she is dealing with also contributes to the problems. I remember my Mom always telling me when I was a child that if you hear a clap it is because there were two hands involved and not just one. My post was mainly based on if I were to think Radhika as 'not a victim of abuse'. But I do think of her as a victim of abuse that is to a certain extent but this in no way means I excuse her for all her seemingly insensitive actions.

All that being said, I have come to the conclusion that the creatives to keep their show going for how many ever years are not going to show much growth in Radhika's character and hence some time soon I have to take my leave with all the good memories.