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Posted: 1 years ago
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Was Armaan always this dependent for his existence on maa for her approval? When exactly Vidya loved him like her ladla Rohit that he would feel this bad due to her ignorance or by her love for Rohit only? He literally heard Vidya's conversation with Madhav "Madhav g apke dhoke ki nishaani ko mene apnaya" He knew Vidya never accepted or loved him unconditionally because somewhere his presence reminded her of his biological mother shivani. Wasn't Vidya always more affectionate towards Rohit? So, why is Armaan getting so much affected that it's killing him inside? I'm all in for good performances and this track is actually serving in terms of performances by leads but there has to be a backstory the way it has always been for ML's extreme love/protectiveness towards his mother. Vidya was extremely cold towards him during initial episodes specifically when he got married to Abhira but he was fine with Vidya's rudeness or cold behavior. Vidya mostly guided him but wasn't that guidance & love received when her own son Rohit was apparently dead? She loved him too but wasn't it always conditional love? He accepted it too. When Vidya mata prioritized Armaan over Rohit or ever loved Armaan or showed affection towards Armaan specifically when Rohit was alive? She was there for him when Rohit died. She chose Rohit over Armaan when KP asked her to choose when Rohit returned. She never objected to Armaan being called sutela by her son Rohit. She didn't object to Armaan being pushed by Rohit.

Vidya is behaving this way also because she feels Armaan was always indebted to her and he must have paid back for all what she has done for him by breaking off his marriage alliance with Abhira. Not being able to conceive is a crime for Vidya mata. Nobody is reprimanding this woman for her trashy thinking. By the end we are going to get Ar-Ab saying "humari maa ko bura mat kahain aap humari khushi chahti theen" whenever she is going to have a change of heart which right now seems unlikely.

If Ruhi can be whitewashed without even 0.01% humiliation or without getting exposed for her misdeeds. As if she was always sati savitri bahu, loyal wife who never plotted and planned with 7 step plan to get married to Armaan. Vidya mata is also never going to be called out for her pathetic, extremely regressive and inhumane mindset. Being infertile is not a crime & being a woman she should be more supportive. Suwarna mata who was saying "saas ko kon samjhaye" weren't u also a "saas" who unconditionally supported her DIL when she couldn't conceive? Manish is fine with his great-granddaughter Abhira getting cursed and humiliated because she can't concieve? Vishambar took Mishti away to his house when Meenakshi behaved like Vidya (this useless pathetic Goenka family is never going to be by her side when she needs them the most)

I can't avoid as the writer of both Gen 2 and Gen 4 is same. Couple dynamics are somewhat similar.

In Gen 2 there was a similar flip in Kartik's character when he was extremely obsessed with maa after Subham's death. Kartik became alcoholic & drowned in grief. Developed extreme emotional imbalance and anger issues which he never had. Separated from Naira because of maa's mentally imbalanced state as she was grieving for her son's loss.

Bhavna mata loved Mumbai track and JKG track so she thought of showing them again in Gen 4 that also after merging these two tracks in a weird illogical way.

Vidya mata is behaving like Suwarna mata but Suwarna mata lost her son whereas Vidya mata lost her right to be addressed "dadi". Her Madhav g lost his right to be called dada ji and her maa sa was deprived of her right to be called par dadi by Armaan-Abhira's child. How creative writers have become with time smiley29

Suwarna mata got a complete episode with 10-15 minute apology scene. After that track Suwarna mata never even once opposed Naira. Infact after 5 year leap Suwarna mata was the only Goenka who supported Naira that time. Here Vidya mata will keep flipping as per convenience as she is going to be defended by leads themselves for her triggering behavior (yes it can be triggering for the viewers who actually can't conceive)

Its BV's pattern to give leads complex emotions sometimes the reason is too insignificant (which can be seen missing in Generations where Uttaraksh or Zama were screenplay writers for majority of the times). But that time "reason" behind those complex emotions made their actions somehow justified but here the reason isn't justified. How many MILs would behave this way in real life on hearing their DIL can't conceive before marriage? Few MILs might disapprove marriage but will eventually think about advancement in medical field. Even if there is no alternative but the son got married to girl against his mother's wish, no woman would behave this pathetic way (specifically if she is mentally sound and not psychotic) creating bad omens, cursing her own son, negating his presence and existence. I personally know many couples who went for adoption, couples who are living happily together without children & MILs or in-laws overall are supportive too.

Abhimaan could grow distant because of any other reason if BV wanted to show complex emotions. Vidya could go berserk because of any other reason & it would have affected Ar-Ab's relationship similar way. Vidya could oppose their marriage as Abhira caused Maa sa/Rohit/Mahdav ji's accident that slipped him/her to coma. Vidya could oppose the marriage because Abhira was given a higher position than she deserved in Poddar Firms before marriage, KP taking away Vidya's son Rohit's rights as he is an unsuccessful lawyer. IR could've also made Vidya oppose the marriage. Armaan and Abhira could have grown apart after Abhira's miscarriage and Armaan unintentionally not directly but subconsciously blaming her for it, by his distant behavior, because she didn't want children this early. Miscarriage by her negligence could've also triggered his emotions.

Yes, this is fictional ITV show meant for entertainment and creative liberty not to be taken seriously as they are all fictional characters, but infertility is a very sensitive topic they made a mockery out of it which is quite disturbing also they made a mockery of show's timeline as it's 21st century.

Lead characters didn't even once thought about second opinion from other expert doctors and nobody from family is even asking them to have a second opinion? MG in his amnesia forgot how Naira underwent fertility treatment or how Mishti had a child by surrogacy. DKP made infertility a woman's fault & woman must keep getting close to MIL begging for acceptance & forgiveness for the crime that she can't conceive, rift between couple because of maa needs to be called out but not the extremely offensive way of treating a woman because she is infertile, maa hai aur maa kabhi galat nahi hoti chahe woh insaan bhi kehlane key layak na ho.

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Armaan kaun sa normal behave kar raha hai abhira ke sath so abhira ko inn 3 months mai overthink kiye bina husband ke sath ghar se nikal jana chahiye tha with a reason ki vidya ke behaviour and sautelepan se Armaan mentally harass feel kar raha hai so for armaan’s mental health they can live somewhere else.

Lekin yeh to vidya ke liye cakes bana rahi hai, Armaan ko bolti hai they will win maa ka pyar lekin kis cost par idiot?? Tab tak toh tumhara husband mental ho jayega vidya ka sautela pan dekh kar. Atleast ek baar toh bolo ki chalo ghar se nikal jate hai fir uske baaad jisko jo reaction dena ho de including armaan. Waise bhi Armaan ka mansik santulan hil he gaya hai.

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_tania

Armaan kaun sa normal behave kar raha hai abhira ke sath so abhira ko inn 3 months mai overthink kiye bina husband ke sath ghar se nikal jana chahiye tha with a reason ki vidya ke behaviour and sautelepan se Armaan mentally harass feel kar raha hai so for armaan’s mental health they can live somewhere else.

Lekin yeh to vidya ke liye cakes bana rahi hai, Armaan ko bolti hai they will win maa ka pyar lekin kis cost par idiot?? Tab tak toh tumhara husband mental ho jayega vidya ka sautela pan dekh kar. Atleast ek baar toh bolo ki chalo ghar se nikal jate hai fir uske baaad jisko jo reaction dena ho de including armaan. Waise bhi Armaan ka mansik santulan hil he gaya hai.

KP will consider them dead if they move out of PH so they have to stay in PH to get tortured by Vidya mata.

@bold Her winning over maa ka pyaar for welcoming more curses is.. smiley44

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_tania

Armaan kaun sa normal behave kar raha hai abhira ke sath so abhira ko inn 3 months mai overthink kiye bina husband ke sath ghar se nikal jana chahiye tha with a reason ki vidya ke behaviour and sautelepan se Armaan mentally harass feel kar raha hai so for armaan’s mental health they can live somewhere else.

Lekin yeh to vidya ke liye cakes bana rahi hai, Armaan ko bolti hai they will win maa ka pyar lekin kis cost par idiot?? Tab tak toh tumhara husband mental ho jayega vidya ka sautela pan dekh kar. Atleast ek baar toh bolo ki chalo ghar se nikal jate hai fir uske baaad jisko jo reaction dena ho de including armaan. Waise bhi Armaan ka mansik santulan hil he gaya hai.

I don’t think she can afford to do that now. The way Armaan is behaving she would be treated very badly and blamed by Armaan after move out. At this point she is trapped with a trashy husband and husbands family.

Typical itv writers just simply can’t keea ML Sane and sorted, ever…..

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Posted: 1 years ago
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The infertility issue and V’s reaction is extremely triggering for me personally I can tell you that. From last 1 week I am not watching, mostly watching bts ir reading updates here. I can never accept this character even again no matter whatever amount of oxycleaning they do.
Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: leafy2022

I don’t think she can afford to do that now. The way Armaan is behaving she would be treated very badly and blamed by Armaan after move out. At this point she is trapped with a trashy husband and husbands family.

Typical itv writers just simply can’t keea ML Sane and sorted, ever…..

Toh Kya if abhira bol de ki muje yeh ghar chod kar jaana hai toh Armaan usko akele jane dega? Nahii ! Kyunki Armaan wedding night par bag bhar kar ghar chod kar jane ko ready tha.

And isse zyada kya he badly treat karega! Domestic violence nahi karega. Mentally harass bhi abhira ko nahi karega kyunki khud he daily mentally harass ho raha hai vidya ke sautelepan se.

Zyada se zyada abhira se aur zyada disturb rahega. Thik hai na! Jab husband wife akele rehne lage tab mauke bhi bahot milte hai sab kuch fix kar dene ke .

Aisi baat se darna nahi chahiye ki separate ho gayi toh husband zyada bad behave karega . Itna confidence toh hona he chahiye ki husband physical violence par nahi Utar ayega and baki ka apne ghar mai mai dekh lugi and husband ko bhi fix kar dugi.

Aise mai toh na husband mentally harassment feel karna bandh kar payega and na he couple kisi fertility treatment ka soch payege.

Ruhi ke miscarriage ki wajah se ghar se out hote dikhaye usse accha toh yehi hai ki abhira apne husband ke mental health reason ko importance de kar separate ho jaye. Armaan ka mansik santulan already hil chuka hai.

Jab husband ka mansik santulan hil jaye tab better half ko he unn dono ke liye decision le lena chahiye with full confidence ki jo bhi hoga usko mai apne husband ke sath fod lugi.

Yeh abhira toh titli jaise darti rehti hai ki Armaan aisa behave karega waisa blame karega types. Aisa kya titli banna! Haqq se le jao usko separate house and fod do husband ke har natak ko. Aise titli banne se shaddi nahi chalega and waise bhi kaha chal raha hai so husband ke reaction ko overthink kar ke titli jaise nahi darna chahiye.

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_tania

Toh Kya if abhira bol de ki muje yeh ghar chod kar jaana hai toh Armaan usko akele jane dega? Nahii ! Kyunki Armaan wedding night par bag bhar kar ghar chod kar jane ko ready tha.

And isse zyada kya he badly treat karega! Domestic violence nahi karega. Mentally harass bhi abhira ko nahi karega kyunki khud he daily mentally harass ho raha hai vidya ke sautelepan se.

Zyada se zyada abhira se aur zyada disturb rahega. Thik hai na! Jab husband wife akele rehne lage tab mauke bhi bahot milte hai sab kuch fix kar dene ke .

Aisi baat se darna nahi chahiye ki separate ho gayi toh husband zyada bad behave karega . Itna confidence toh hona he chahiye ki husband physical violence par nahi Utar ayega and baki ka apne ghar mai mai dekh lugi and husband ko bhi fix kar dugi.

Aise mai toh na husband mentally harassment feel karna bandh kar payega and na he couple kisi fertility treatment ka soch payege.

Ruhi ke miscarriage ki wajah se ghar se out hote dikhaye usse accha toh yehi hai ki abhira apne husband ke mental health reason ko importance de kar separate ho jaye. Armaan is mansion santulan already hil chuka hai.

Jab husband ka mansik santulan hil jaye tab better half ko he unn dono ke liye decision le lena chahiye with full confidence ki save ko hoga usko mai apne husband ke sath fod lugi.

Yeh abhira toh titli jaise darti rehti hai ki Armaan aisa behave karega waisa blame karega types. Aisa kya titli banna! Haqq se le jao usko separate house and fod do husband ke har natak ko. Aise titli banne se shaddi nahi chalega and waise bhi kaha chal raha hai do so husband ke reaction se titli jaise nahi overthink kar ke darna chahiye.

What you said that happens in real life. You will do it, I will do it or many other “ normal “ people like us. Not here.

Here the writers will make sure the leads are separated but not the family. Have you ever seen one itv FL who took the husband out of his family to save themselves from toxicity. They will be burned in hell but ladla beta has to be with family.

Edited by leafy2022 - 1 years ago
Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: leafy2022

The infertility issue and V’s reaction is extremely triggering for me personally I can tell you that. From last 1 week I am not watching, mostly watching bts ir reading updates here. I can never accept this character even again no matter whatever amount of oxycleaning they do.

Mera bhi same scene hai. Yeh log rohit or uska baby kisi ek ki death dikha kar abhira ko magically pregnant bana dege. Baat khatam types!

Na koi fertility issue address hoga , na koi treatment, sirf female lead ko sympathy mile, audience uske sath roye, uske liye juth muth ka aisa bol diya ki kabhi maa nahi bann sakti .

Humare jaise jin par yeh bitt chuka hai woh iss pagalpanti ko shock ho kar dekhte reh jayege.

Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: leafy2022

What you said that happens in real life. You will do it, I will do it or many other “ normal “ people like us. Not here.

Here the writers will make sure the leads are separated but not the family. Have you ever seen one itv FL who took the husband out of his family to save themselves from toxicity. They will be burned in hell but ladla beta has to be with family.

Lekin abhira ko toh kitna dandanate dikhaya tha na season ke start mai! Jis level ka dandanate abhira ko makers ne dikhaya tha uske hisab se ek patni is protecting her mentally harassed husband aisa kyun nahi dikha sakte!

Season 1 and 2 mai toh aisa dikhaya tha .Ab kya ja raha hai dikhane mai!

Kaun biwi apne mentally harassed husband ko same house main rehne degi! Koi biwi aise dekh he na paye ki husband daily itna mentally harass ho ki mansik santulan he hil jaye uska.

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Posted: 1 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweet_tania

Toh Kya if abhira bol de ki muje yeh ghar chod kar jaana hai toh Armaan usko akele jane dega? Nahii ! Kyunki Armaan wedding night par bag bhar kar ghar chod kar jane ko ready tha.

And isse zyada kya he badly treat karega! Domestic violence nahi karega. Mentally harass bhi abhira ko nahi karega kyunki khud he daily mentally harass ho raha hai vidya ke sautelepan se.

Zyada se zyada abhira se aur zyada disturb rahega. Thik hai na! Jab husband wife akele rehne lage tab mauke bhi bahot milte hai sab kuch fix kar dene ke .

Aisi baat se darna nahi chahiye ki separate ho gayi toh husband zyada bad behave karega . Itna confidence toh hona he chahiye ki husband physical violence par nahi Utar ayega and baki ka apne ghar mai mai dekh lugi and husband ko bhi fix kar dugi.

Aise mai toh na husband mentally harassment feel karna bandh kar payega and na he couple kisi fertility treatment ka soch payege.

Ruhi ke miscarriage ki wajah se ghar se out hote dikhaye usse accha toh yehi hai ki abhira apne husband ke mental health reason ko importance de kar separate ho jaye. Armaan ka mansik santulan already hil chuka hai.

Jab husband ka mansik santulan hil jaye tab better half ko he unn dono ke liye decision le lena chahiye with full confidence ki jo bhi hoga usko mai apne husband ke sath fod lugi.

Yeh abhira toh titli jaise darti rehti hai ki Armaan aisa behave karega waisa blame karega types. Aisa kya titli banna! Haqq se le jao usko separate house and fod do husband ke har natak ko. Aise titli banne se shaddi nahi chalega and waise bhi kaha chal raha hai so husband ke reaction ko overthink kar ke titli jaise nahi darna chahiye.

@bold I disagree as in my opinion Abhira is also suffering. Armaan is suffering because of Vidya's behavior whereas Abhira is suffering because of Armaan's behavior. Khair who is suffering more can't be debated as both suffering in their own way. Few people take emotional & mental harassment like a burden on themselves like Armaan whereas few try to overlook it, try to sort out the problem, though they are also sad and it shatters them too but they are passive in their reactions like Abhira. In my opinion Abhira should leave PH and Armaan for a few days. This will give them break to rethink about their priorities and choices in future. Let's agree to disagree.

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