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Originally posted by: chatterbox

Arre yahan toh fir khichdi ban gayi re

Valmiki writes Uttar Ramayan but agni pariksha ke time both valmiki and tulsidas ka difference of opinion ho gaya 🙄

And here ramji uses kathor vachan so sita orders for agni

Yaar sab golmaal hai bhai golmaal hai

And ya this is curiousity question and well discussion only as i really don't know any text..

And as ramji already did agni pariksha and proved sita purity toh fir logon ki baaton se pareshan kyo hue 🤔🤔

Tulsidas ji sort of added or modified Agnipariksha scene as Agni prasang to justify Ramji as he is writing story of his Lord and Mata...

RCM is Bhakti kavya...many things are modified as per time,place,person and also devotee perspective of Tulsidas ji....now Tulsidas ji cuts down Sita Lakshman conversation b4 Lakshman leaves to find Ram on Sita's order in golden deer incident as he says Sita told some Katu vachan....now what all did she said to Lakshman in anger and fear for ShriRam,,,is not mentioned bcz it's abt Mata,,,

Agnipariksha sequence is presented differently so as ShriRam ko justify kar diya hai unhone ki unhone pariksha li hi nhi, unhone Sita maa vaapas li agnidev se...and to fir Sita Maa ka struggle and all this jo hua woh sab???To Raavan Sita maa ko touch karta to bhasm ho jata....gives good explanation of Sita Maa purity and ravan ant ke liye and woman dignity ke liye yuddh...yeh sab believe karna bina Ramji ko misunderstand kare thoda easy hai....

Actual VR wala Agnipariksha scene samajne me thoda difficult ho sakta hai and kuch log sawaal bhi uttha sakte the Prabhu Shri Ram ke is act par without understanding his deeper meaning... isliye Tulsidas ji with his wisdom added a different and easy to understand narrative to it.

Originally posted by: RamAayenge

Tulsidas ji sort of added or modified Agnipariksha scene as Agni prasang to justify Ramji as he is writing story of his Lord and Mata...

RCM is Bhakti kavya...many things are modified as per time,place,person and also devotee perspective of Tulsidas ji....now Tulsidas ji cuts down Sita Lakshman conversation b4 Lakshman leaves to find Ram on Sita's order in golden deer incident as he says Sita told some Katu vachan....now what all did she said to Lakshman in anger and fear for ShriRam,,,is not mentioned bcz it's abt Mata,,,

Agnipariksha sequence is presented differently so as ShriRam ko justify kar diya hai unhone ki unhone pariksha li hi nhi, unhone Sita maa vaapas li agnidev se...and to fir Sita Maa ka struggle and all this jo hua woh sab???To Raavan Sita maa ko touch karta to bhasm ho jata....gives good explanation of Sita Maa purity and ravan ant ke liye and woman dignity ke liye yuddh...yeh sab believe karna bina Ramji ko misunderstand kare thoda easy hai....

Actual VR wala Agnipariksha scene samajne me thoda difficult ho sakta hai and kuch log sawaal bhi uttha sakte the Prabhu Shri Ram ke is act par without understanding his deeper meaning... isliye Tulsidas ji with his wisdom added a different and easy to understand narrative to it.

Wow what nice way u explained the whole concept. Seriously itne saalon se ramayan ki story suni dekhi hai but my dear tumhare jaisa explainations kahin nahi mila..

I don't know what else to say really.

Originally posted by: chatterbox

Arre yahan toh fir khichdi ban gayi re

Valmiki writes Uttar Ramayan but agni pariksha ke time both valmiki and tulsidas ka difference of opinion ho gaya 🙄

And here ramji uses kathor vachan so sita orders for agni

Yaar sab golmaal hai bhai golmaal hai

And ya this is curiousity question and well discussion only as i really don't know any text..

And as ramji already did agni pariksha and proved sita purity toh fir logon ki baaton se pareshan kyo hue 🤔🤔

This last three lines are crux didi....yahi reason hai ki kitna bhi text padhle,,folklores, explanations etc but totally convince nahi ho paate is part se hum.....aisa bhi question hota hai muje ki agar Raja praja ke mat ko dhyaan me rakhke kisi ke liye koi decision dega..to Raja ka decision us mat ko justified prove karta hain....matlab if praja doubts Sita maa and Ramji took this decision as Raja and not as husband... rather he was broken down from inside as husband....par yeh decision to praja ke pov ko sahi prove karta hai....yaha praja would think ki unka pov sahi hai Sita maa ko lekar tabhi to Raja ne unka tyaag kar diya....yaha praja would think ki unki galat soch sahi hai as Ramji ka decision Sita Maa ke against and praja ke pov ke favour me tha....

Ab is par bahut se raj dharm ke explanation hai par, I kind of not able to accept them, probably in today's parlance they are not relevant....tab ke samaj me perspective different ho sakta hai...

Overall aap sahi keh rahe ho...it would be painful to watch....mayavi ban na padega🤗😅😂😆,,,on and off watching.

Originally posted by: RamAayenge

This last three lines are crux didi....yahi reason hai ki kitna bhi text padhle,,folklores, explanations etc but totally convince nahi ho paate is part se hum.....aisa bhi question hota hai muje ki agar Raja praja ke mat ko dhyaan me rakhke kisi ke liye koi decision dega..to Raja ka decision us mat ko justified prove karta hain....matlab if praja doubts Sita maa and Ramji took this decision as Raja and not as husband... rather he was broken down from inside as husband....par yeh decision to praja ke pov ko sahi prove karta hai....yaha praja would think ki unka pov sahi hai Sita maa ko lekar tabhi to Raja ne unka tyaag kar diya....yaha praja would think ki unki galat soch sahi hai as Ramji ka decision Sita Maa ke against and praja ke pov ke favour me tha....

Ab is par bahut se raj dharm ke explanation hai par, I kind of not able to accept them, probably in today's parlance they are not relevant....tab ke samaj me perspective different ho sakta hai...

Overall aap sahi keh rahe ho...it would be painful to watch....mayavi ban na padega🤗😅😂😆,,,on and off watching.

Oh man I like u. U r really hilarious.so innocently baat kah rahi ho. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Short mein wahi baat.. ramji had to tyaag sita bcoz of praja. But why he or anyone else for that matter could not correct praja.

This whole point from that time changes the perceptions. Aaj ke time se socho kisi person ko logon ke kahne par apni patni ko divorce Kiya toh log yahi manenge Haan patni mein hi fault hoga.

Isliye yeh baat palle hi nahi padti ki jab bade bade gyaani the why did they not clear the matter . Baaki yehi soch kar shaant hona padega ki sab Prabhu ki leela

I think u or someone else or I read elsewhere this whole saga started like this so they can give proper end to it. Sita goes back to earth and via naaglok reaches vaikunth

After some years all matas and other sisters also go.

Lakshman goes ahead as shesnaag to await his lord Vishnu

And rest follow. Ek sequence bana diya to end all avtaars

The real reason Rama and Sita seperated in Uttara Kanda is the curse of Rishi Bhrigu. Sumantra explains this to Lakshmana in Uttara Kanda itself that Rama is simply following the curse he as Vishnu received from Bhrigu about seperation from his wife for many years.

Hi i m putting this question here.

Does anyone know story of panchmukhi Hanuman...

I read this story that ahiravan had a boon that if all 5 candles are blown same time then only he will be killed

The 5 candles are in different directions.

Since ahiravan story is on so wondering if anyone knows this. Or it's just a folklore

Second if i remember correctly in imagine ramayan something different was shown.

Some secret something which ahiravan wife knew so Hanuman tricks her..

So what exactly where these stories come from.

P.s. I won't mind watching these stories in current ramayan. Later on after sita vanvas will skip

Tagging only PPL I know who maybe able to answer this question 😂

Kisi ko bhi panchamukhi Hanuman story pata nahi kya?? Chalo koi nahi dekhte hai fir.

Originally posted by: chatterbox

Hi i m putting this question here.

Does anyone know story of panchmukhi Hanuman...

I read this story that ahiravan had a boon that if all 5 candles are blown same time then only he will be killed

The 5 candles are in different directions.

Since ahiravan story is on so wondering if anyone knows this. Or it's just a folklore

Second if i remember correctly in imagine ramayan something different was shown.

Some secret something which ahiravan wife knew so Hanuman tricks her..

So what exactly where these stories come from.

P.s. I won't mind watching these stories in current ramayan. Later on after sita vanvas will skip

Tagging only PPL I know who maybe able to answer this question 😂

You're right. I've heard the same version. Hanuman entered patal and Ahiravan's wife Chandrasena informs him that to kill them (I only knew Ahiravana but some versions do talk about both Ahi+Mahi isliye writing them) he had to extinguish 5 lamps at the same time. So he took the Panchamukha form with Hanuman, Hayagriva, Narasimha, Garuda and Varaha faces and extinguished the lamps .. hence Ahi/Mahiravan were killed immediately. I don't remember seeing this in any movie or previous Ramayan though but Panchmukhi Hanumanji ki pooja karo toh yehi kahani bataate hai.

Originally posted by: RamLakshman

You're right. I've heard the same version. Hanuman entered patal and Ahiravan's wife Chandrasena informs him that to kill them (I only knew Ahiravana but some versions do talk about both Ahi+Mahi isliye writing them) he had to extinguish 5 lamps at the same time. So he took the Panchamukha form with Hanuman, Hayagriva, Narasimha, Garuda and Varaha faces and extinguished the lamps .. hence Ahi/Mahiravan were killed immediately. I don't remember seeing this in any movie or previous Ramayan though but Panchmukhi Hanumanji ki pooja karo toh yehi kahani bataate hai.

Ahiravana and Mahiravana stories vary depending on versions of Ramayana.

1. Ananda Ramayana - Rama kills both Ahiravana and Mahiravana.

2. Bhavartha Ramayana - Hanuman kills Mahiravana, Rama kills Ahiravana.

3. Krittavasi Ramayana - Hanuman kills both Ahiravana and Mahiravana.