Akshara-Naitik vibes - Page 2

Originally posted by: Agni_Jytsona

Please Naitik and Abhimanyu cannot be compared at all. Now the Naitik fan in me is offended 😆

I never said Naitik was perfect. But he was way better than Karthik. Abhimanyu cannot even be compared

Naitik actually learned from his mistake and grew. He had character development

I did say even Abhi cannot be compared to Naitik.

Both Abhi and Nav are too polished or illogical to be compared to Naitik. Naitik was not perfect and that's what made him relatable.

Character development doesn't exist in season 3, characters change from one shade to another as per convenience.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Even though i have not watched all 3 season. We can not compare abhinav with naitik. Not because i have problem with navra or something. I have liked jai in other show.

The reason why we can not compare abhinav with naitik is because abhinav don't even have a family. He is an orphan. So akshu is the only one for him. Agar uske pass koi family hotha we don't know how he would have behaved. We have to consider the situation of both characters.

For nav since he did not had anyone right from his childhood akshu became everything for him. But naitik stood with akshara against his family which is totally different scenario.

For eg : neil when he was orphan vs when he got to know he is a birla.

His character took a total uturn.and jealousy and insecurity was evident post he got to know that he is a birla. He started questioning abhi manjari and akshu on their intention which was never the case when he was an orphan.

That's the reason i don't compare abhi and abhinav too. If naitik and abhinav was an orphan i would have compared their nature but currently they don't stand on a same boat to compare.

Yes we can compare naitik and abhi. And we know abhi did wrong. But nav and naitik is not something i would compare.

Interesting..

Going by this logic , abhinav is better than naitik ..bec he turned out to be a fairly good person while facing all hardships alone..family is like a cushion and here we're talking abt how abhir must be with his real "family" ..living a lonely life without anyone to rely on, anyone to lean on, anyone to talk to, anyone to share , care or love must be very difficult ..he didn't go around complaining "why me God why me why only me"

Not saying abhimanyu didn't have to face any hardships..at the end of the day , it's the choices we make which defines us..situations will always be bad , circumstances will never be favorable, it will always be an up and down graph when it comes to situations ..but we have control over our choices . Abhimanyu is not unstable bec of his family, he is unstable bec of the person he is. He needs to see 👀 to learn and grow. He cud be that acha admi too.

Keechad mei Kamal ka example we always give ..it is possible that a lotus blooms from filth..abhinav is a good example..

Originally posted by: Silveraliax

Naitik had some mumma issues too and was impulsive. For example, Naitik really made Akshara anxious during the while wedding track. Heck even I was tensed because one never knew if Naitik would back out last minute because he was insecure that Akshara would even think of marrying his cousin. Nav knows Akshara had feelings for Abhi but he didn't react like Naitik who had given Akshara silent treatment.

There was a track when Gayatri didnt like Akshara going to her mums house and Naitik backed Gayatri on several occasions. Nav only backs Akshara.

We need to broaden our perspectives ..mummy ke ghar nai jaane diya , mummy ki side le li, dhobi ka hisab galat kar diya , subah time par nahi uthe, ye zindagi ke masle nai hote..

Naitik stood up against his own family for his wife , not bec of any right or wrong but bec he knew his family is not in the right frame of mind to understand a sensitive situation like that..it was his tayaji also , doesn't mean akshara wasn't his family.

When naira ran away, he was separated from his dear daughter till adulthood ..he turned his back on akshara but he didn't blame her and throw her out of his life..they were still together , not in a way they used to be but they were..what bigger trauma can somebody face , but both of them faced it together .

Ab we say hypothetically if somebody close to abhinav dies bec of akshara what will he do ? Yahi toh saara crux Hai...not everyone will react like abhimanyu . He cud do a lot better.

Originally posted by: Krinya

Interesting..

Going by this logic , abhinav is better than naitik ..bec he turned out to be a fairly good person while facing all hardships alone..family is like a cushion and here we're talking abt how abhir must be with his real "family" ..living a lonely life without anyone to rely on, anyone to lean on, anyone to talk to, anyone to share , care or love must be very difficult ..he didn't go around complaining "why me God why me why only me"

Not saying abhimanyu didn't have to face any hardships..at the end of the day , it's the choices we make which defines us..situations will always be bad , circumstances will never be favorable, it will always be an up and down graph when it comes to situations ..but we have control over our choices . Abhimanyu is not unstable bec of his family, he is unstable bec of the person he is. He needs to see 👀 to learn and grow. He cud be that acha admi too.

Keechad mei Kamal ka example we always give ..it is possible that a lotus blooms from filth..abhinav is a good example..

Yes i will agree that nav is better than naitik because naitik had a family to guide him where as nav is sane and he controlled him self to stay as sane without any help. Its very rare to find orphans being good and nav is one among them may be.

I do not have any complains with nav my complaints are with abhira and makers. Abhi was butchered for trp.but we can not compare nav with abhi as abhi has family and he lost brother and his kids and he reacted. We are not sure how nav would have reacted if he was in abhi's place. Can we for sure say that nav will not behave like abhi if he had a family. No right as we don't know his past nor we know who are his parents.

My major problem is inorder to show nav as good they butchered so many characters which i have to see everyday screaming or doing something which is very torturing for me. But i do not complain as i know how shows work so i just ignore and carry on skip epis and watch those which i like.

And tomorrow if they show nav as bad person people will say they wanted to unite abhira so they showed him as bad person but do we really know nav's past to say if he was really a good guy to be with.

How akshu or anyone is so sure that abhinav is not a criminal or a person who may have some history which is not good for abhir. Everyone are going by just the episodes which they have seen from past 3 months which makers wanted them to see. Nobody saw waht good things abhi did from past 1 year worth epi and 1 white day epi made abinav a hero.

Which clearly shows that people's hate for abhi and other characters has made nav and akshu's decisions of trusting nav is correct. That is what makers wanted people to do and they are successful in that. That's why they are getting trp..

Now fl is god her decision of trusting unknown is very good decision. In future if some one gets humiliated by her in laws she should trust some random stranger instead of her friends and relatives. She should marry them randomly. I see flaws in both abhira. Abhi for loosing his sanity and akshu for loosing her common sense.

But i know it's the writers who did it. So why to condemn only one character.So i still support abhira. That's my point.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Yes i will agree that nav is better than naitik because naitik had a family to guide him where as nav is sane and he controlled him self to stay as sane without any help. Its very rare to find orphans being good and nav is one among them may be.

I do not have any complains with nav my complaints are with abhira and makers. Abhi was butchered for trp.but we can not compare nav with abhi as abhi has family and he lost brother and his kids and he reacted. We are not sure how nav would have reacted if he was in abhi's place. Can we for sure say that nav will not behave like abhi if he had a family. No right as we don't know his past nor we know who are his parents.

My major problem is inorder to show nav as good they butchered so many characters which i have to see everyday screaming or doing something which is very torturing for me. But i do not complain as i know how shows work so i just ignore and carry on skip epis and watch those which i like.

And tomorrow if they show nav as bad person people will say they wanted to unite abhira so they showed him as bad person but do we really know nav's past to say if he was really a good guy to be with.

How akshu or anyone is so sure that abhinav is not a criminal or a person who may have some history which is not good for abhir. Everyone are going by just the episodes which they have seen from past 3 months which makers wanted them to see. Nobody saw waht good things abhi did from past 1 year worth epi and 1 white day epi made abinav a hero.

Which clearly shows that people's hate for abhi and other characters has made nav and akshu's decisions of trusting nav is correct. That is what makers wanted people to do and they are successful in that. That's why they are getting trp..

Now fl is god her decision of trusting unknown is very good decision. In future if some one gets humiliated by her in laws she should trust some random stranger instead of her friends and relatives. She should marry them randomly. I see flaws in both abhira. Abhi for loosing his sanity and akshu for loosing her common sense.

But i know it's the writers who did it. So why to condemn only one character.So i still support abhira. That's my point.

Amazing how obsessed this forum is with khoon and khandan (read caste and class). And then proceeds to dump these biases on real people with ad hominen statements like :

"Its very rare to find orphans being good and nav is one among them may be."

... without an ounce of self-reflection.

Just perfect for the kind of message DKP perpetuates, and the kind of audience it attracts.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

Amazing how obsessed this forum is with khoon and khandan (read caste and class). And then proceeds to dump these biases on real people with ad hominen statements like :

"Its very rare to find orphans being good and nav is one among them may be."

... without an ounce of self-reflection.

Just perfect for the kind of message DKP perpetuates, and the kind of audience it attracts.

You are looking at a serial and i know some one very close to me who is a orphan( who lost everything due to unfortunate situation and he literally had none in life even his parents and siblings) and i have heard his true struggles and they are still able to build their life and give good education to their kids with their hardwork and self control. Kudos to you for judging some one over a itv character. I hope you will soon come out of your itv world and see what is going on in real world.

Khandaan khoon seriously. I just said abhi and naitik had an advantage as they had some one to guide and abhinav did not even had anyone and its very rare to find ppl like that as many people may get into bad habbits when nobody is there to take care of them.

I feel people should come out of their hate for itv characters and stop fighting over itv characters. As in the end atleast actors are getting paid and you might be judging some one over internet without even knowing them and their struggles completely.

Enough is enough. We are not dolls that we will take your comments or moral policing. We are humans and we have real emotions than the one they are showing on itv stop judging humans for a fictional character.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

You are looking at a serial and i know some one very close to me who is a orphan( who lost everything due to unfortunate situation and he literally had none in life) and i have heard their true struggles and they are still able to build their life with hardwork and self control. Kudos to you for judging some one over a itv character. I hope you will soon come out of your itv world and see what is going on in real world.

Khandaan khoon seriously. I just said abhi and naitik had an advantage as they had some one to guide and abhinav did not even had anyone and its very rare to find ppl like that as many people may get into bad habbits when nobody is there to take care of them.

I feel people should come out of their hate for itv characters and stop fighting over itv characters. As in the end atleast actors are getting paid and you might be judging some one over internet without even knowing them and their struggles completely.

Enough is enough. We are not dolls that we will take your comments for an itv character. We are humans and we have real emotions than the one they are showing on itv stop judging humans for a fictional character.

I commented on a) how the forum and NOT EXCLUSIVELY YOU obsesses on how Abhir is Brila's biological son (read khoon) and hence he supercedes Abhinav as a father. And the only other talking point about Abhinav is how he's a driver (read class).

b) I did not put words in your mouth; you did say that it is rare to find orphans being 'good' (whatever that means?)

Did you specify that you were talking about the portrayals of orphans on itv? No. You made a generic ad hominen statement that it is rare to find [someone] being 'good' amongst [all the] orphans.That is how the statement was framed and that is exactly what anyone will infer from your statement.

Now, what is it that orphans do not have apart from the financial stability? Social security and privileges that come with having a (caste) lineage in this country.

How exactly does that make them 'rarely good'?

People with families are often worse and again cushioned to get away with their abusive behaviour because "acche ghar ka ladka/ladki hai." People literally defend a criminal like Sanjay Dutt because he's Sunil Dutt's son. Same with trash people like the Kapoors.

Kudos to you for fake-outraging upon being called out for your prejudice tho.

Originally posted by: Deltablues

I commented on a) how the forum and NOT EXCLUSIVELY YOU obsesses on how Abhir is Brila's biological son (read khoon) and hence he supercedes Abhinav as a father. And the only other talking point about Abhinav is how he's a driver (read class).

b) I did not put words in your mouth; you did say that it is rare to find orphans who are 'good' (whatever that means?)

Did you specify that you were talking about the portrayals of orphans on itv? No. You made a generic ad hominen statement that it is rare to find [someone] 'good' amongst [all the] orphans. That is how the statement was framed and that is exactly what anyone will infer from your statement.

Now, what is it that orphans do not have apart from the financial stability? Social security and privileges that come with having a (caste) lineage in this country.

How exactly does that make them 'rarely good'?

People with families are often worst and again cushioned to get away with their abusive behaviour because "acche ghar ka ladka/ladki hai." People literally defend a criminal like Sanjay Dutt because he's Sunil Dutt's son. Same with trash people like the Kapoors.

Kudos to you for fake-outraging upon being called out for your prejudice tho.

Before you just speak something you should try to understand the context.

Why it's rare to find people who are orphans and good like abhinav.

All these statements i am not making up. All these i have heard from the person who has gone through that phase. This is only for those orphans who lost everything including parents and relatives and nobody adopted them

1. They will not have money to buy food and they have to start earning in a very small age.

2. They will be exposed to lot many things like alcohol , cigaretts beedi like how parents control kid they will not have any one to control them.

3. Majorly they will not have education as they will struggle to earn money. So they can not fund their education. Now government may have made education as free. The person i know that was not the case.

4. In india there is a reservation unfortunately he was general merit so he did not got any benefits.

5. They will not have all luxurious life of a normal kid will have. Now a days orphanage are common but earlier it was not the case.

6. Self control is the key for them. Teh person i know Don't drink, don't smoke. But parents hone ke badh bhi how many kids avoid all these things now a days and we are speaking about orphans here.

7. People easily manipualte them and even try to take away their final belongings properties etc in their vulnerable state.

Its very easy to argue but the reality is known to only those ppl who struggle. Neither i want to tell you what my statement wanted to convey nor i think you will understand as your love for abhinav is too strong that you are unable to understand real struggles of normal humans.

Peace. I do not want to waste my time in explaining you anymore but i pity on you for arguing with me over a fictional character even after me constantly telling you that i know some one who is really close.

PS: I did not say that ppl with family are too good i only said its rare to find orphans with such good characters as situation is worse for them compared to ppl with family and for them it's majorly self control matters.

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

Before you just speak something you should try to understand the context.

Why it's rare to find people who are orphans and good like abhinav.

All these statements i am not making up. All these i have heard from the person who has gone through that phase. This is only for those orphans who lost everything including parents and relatives and nobody adopted them

1. They will not have money to buy food and they have to start earning in a very small age.

2. They will be exposed to lot many things like alcohol , cigaretts beedi like how parents control kid they will not have any one to control them.

3. Majorly they will not have education as they will struggle to earn money. So they can not fund their education. Now government may have made education as free. The person i know that was not the case.

4. In india there is a reservation unfortunately he was general merit so he did not got any benefits.

5. They will not have all luxurious life of a normal kid will have. Now a days orphanage are common but earlier it was not the case.

6. Self control is the key for them. Teh person i know Don't drink, don't smoke. But parents hone ke badh bhi how many kids avoid all these things now a days and we are speaking about orphans here.

Its very easy to argue but the reality is known to only those ppl who struggle. Neither i want to tell you what my statement wanted to convey nor i think you will understand as your love for abhinav is too strong that you are unable to understand real struggles of normal humans.

Peace. I do not want to waste my time in explaining you anymore but i pity on you for arguing with me over a fictional character even after me constantly telling you that i know some one who is really close.

Umm, cool. The experiences of your friends are neither a fact nor a universal reality.

Secondly, if you think only poor, unsupervised orphan teenagers get into cigerettes and alcohol, you are either blissfully unaware or willfully ignoring how little control parents have on teenagers in general.

Them not being able to get education is societal failure and not a character flaw lol. Many parents in this country cannot afford to send their kids to half-decent schools either. Doesn't make them 'bad' people either (vs 'being good'). Read the census data fgs.

Not having a luxurious life is again not a character flaw.

Abhinav in itv (and people like him irl) have the privilege of being uc. They will not get thrown out of temples, made to eat with separate utensils, will not face microagressions in institutions just because of their caste. I dunno why you brought up reservation here lol.

What I am reading here is orphans are 'being bad' (as opposed to being good like you said) because they do not have privileges like many upper caste rich kids do.

(And just because orphans often do not grow up with families does not mean they grow up as mowgli without human interaction and social skills. Every human being knows right from wrong lol.)

I don't pity you for the self-victimisation in which you have indulged throughout our interaction here lol.

They looked good together in today’s episode.