Yunhi (HUM TV) - Maya Ali & Bilal Ashraf - Page 21

Originally posted by: NINALOGY

Aisa bilkul nhi hota hai.

I binge watched the 6 episodes since i liked the ost. Both the leads are extreme characters and i don't see them to be good for each other.

On one hand they show Kim did her research and thinks everyone dressed a certain way are terrorists and then she was happily getting ready to go with a random stranger and that too at night? How stupid is that? Even any foreigner who comes to visit places like India and Pakistan knows they have to be careful with strangers. Even in the US i am sure nobody trusts some random strangers on street and decides to go with them.

Kim is shown to be someone that works as a sales girl in the US. It's literally impossible she never faced racism and prejudice against her religion in her school or college or work place. If never experienced it herself she might have heard in news and social media. But here she is calling a random guy terrorist . It would have made sense if she was a pampered child that was protected from the outer world and never went out to work in the real world. But Kim is shown to be extremely independent and earns her own money. She should have been shown with some sort of common sense.

Not using honorific can still be understandable and even not calling Taya, tayi, etc but calling by name is dumb. Even western people call their parent's friend's aunty and uncle. Kim clearly knows those are her father's relatives. She can easily use uncle and aunty for older people.

I recently finished watching modern family and those white kids have more manners and common sense than kim. So the makers just screwed up with the stereotype of westerners.

What is the ML's problem with kim's clothes? She is wearing basic tshirts and loose jeans. Not even tight jeans or tight tshirts. Isn't it karachi? I am pretty sure a lot of woman go out in that clothes in a city even in Pakistan. He is extremely conservative and i don't see how these two can fall in love and have a happily every after. Girls that grew up with half the freedom as Kim might find it hard to adjust with a guy like dawood.

Also glorifying the ML saying he will leave his job and marry whomever his grandfather says is problematic and unrealistic. Why would a doctor leave his job for his grandfather? Being a doctor is considered to be noble in all religion and culture. Kim was right to call on him.

The hypocrisy of the father is at peak. He ran away from a marriage because he wanted to live the life he wants and now he is trying to arrange the marriage of his daughter who has a bf only because of his religion? If he wanted his daughter to marry a person from his faith and culture he should have inserted those values into her from a young age. Also why does he care about his religion now when he has been living in the US for 20+ yrs.

Why do hum whitewash the actors so much onscreen? It's like the entire episodes are shot in Oppo smartphone with beauty filters on. 🤣

Originally posted by: spnfan

I binge watched the 6 episodes since i liked the ost. Both the leads are extreme characters and i don't see them to be good for each other.

On one hand they show Kim did her research and thinks everyone dressed a certain way are terrorists and then she was happily getting ready to go with a random stranger and that too at night? How stupid is that? Even any foreigner who comes to visit places like India and Pakistan knows they have to be careful with strangers. Even in the US i am sure nobody trusts some random strangers on street and decides to go with them.

Kim is shown to be someone that works as a sales girl in the US. It's literally impossible she never faced racism and prejudice against her religion in her school or college or work place. If never experienced it herself she might have heard in news and social media. But here she is calling a random guy terrorist . It would have made sense if she was a pampered child that was protected from the outer world and never went out to work in the real world. But Kim is shown to be extremely independent and earns her own money. She should have been shown with some sort of common sense.

Not using honorific can still be understandable and even not calling Taya, tayi, etc but calling by name is dumb. Even western people call their parent's friend's aunty and uncle. Kim clearly knows those are her father's relatives. She can easily use uncle and aunty for older people.

I recently finished watching modern family and those white kids have more manners and common sense than kim. So the makers just screwed up with the stereotype of westerners.

What is the ML's problem with kim's clothes? She is wearing basic tshirts and loose jeans. Not even tight jeans or tight tshirts. Isn't it karachi? I am pretty sure a lot of woman go out in that clothes in a city even in Pakistan. He is extremely conservative and i don't see how these two can fall in love and have a happily every after. Girls that grew up with half the freedom as Kim might find it hard to adjust with a guy like dawood.

Also glorifying the ML saying he will leave his job and marry whomever his grandfather says is problematic and unrealistic. Why would a doctor leave his job for his grandfather? Being a doctor is considered to be noble in all religion and culture. Kim was right to call on him.

The hypocrisy of the father is at peak. He ran away from a marriage because he wanted to live the life he wants and now he is trying to arrange the marriage of his daughter who has a bf only because of his religion? If he wanted his daughter to marry a person from his faith and culture he should have inserted those values into her from a young age. Also why does he care about his religion now when he has been living in the US for 20+ yrs.

Why do hum whitewash the actors so much onscreen? It's like the entire episodes are shot in Oppo smartphone with beauty filters on. 🤣

In my personal experience, white people don’t seem to catch on to non-hijabis being Muslim. They don’t realise I’m Muslim until Ramadan comes around and they find out I’m fasting, and then they might have questions about fasting but nothing racist/prejudice. I once had a colleague repeatedly offer me alcohol and sausage rolls. I told her I don’t drink or eat non-halal meat, but every week without fail she would offer me both things. It got extremely annoying.

I had a conversation with a few of my colleagues about regressive and prejudiced EU laws targeting women who choose to wear hijabs, and all of them listened with genuine interest and were then in agreement that the laws were anti-feminist because they sought to take away Muslim womens’ choice to dress how they want to.

I’m not saying there aren’t racist and prejudiced white people, there absolutely are. Islamaphobia is a huge problem in the west, however I think it is possible that some Muslims can be lucky and will not have experienced any first-hand racism. Especially younger Muslims, because they haven’t really been in the workforce that long.

However, there is absolutely no excuse for Kim not knowing that shalwar kameez is a normal way of dressing and does not denote terrorism. Even white Americans recognise Shalwar Kameez and don’t associate it with terrorism. Thousands of American-Muslim men wear shalwar kameez when they go to pray Jummah. I also see men wearing Kurtas on Eid. And as has already been said in this thread, how the hell is this girl fluent in reading and speaking Urdu and not know how to address elders? How as an American raised kid is she so comfortable addressing people old enough to be her parents/grandparents by their first name? Not even white Americans get away with that.

Also disagree with the entire religion angle. Living in the US doesn’t meant you don’t care about your religion. There are white and black Muslims in the US and there are south-Asian Muslims in the US who have generations of their family born and bred there, so their link to Pakistan is their great great grandparents or grandparents having been born there and that’s it. Most of these people care about their religion, and marry within the faith. The father should have instilled Muslim values in Kim from childhood and also shouldn’t be taking her to Pakistan to make a her get married, because (1) what will an American and Pakistani have in common? The culture divide is huge. Most American born and bred girls/boys will not want to marry a Pakistani; and (2) if you care about your religion you should know that forcing your child intro marriage is a sin.

ETA: I watched the first two episodes and skipped the rest. Watched the latest episode today and Kim says her mum had a strict rule to only speak Urdu at home. Well then, how do you not know how to address your elders Kim? I am not fluent in Urdu and even I know to use aap with elders and never call them by their name. The writers of this drama are cracked.

Originally posted by: BlueWaters20

I agree with everything you said. The only thing I’d disagree with is that Kim likely faced racism/prejudice in her line of work. Since I graduated and started working, I’ve never faced any sort of racism or prejudice.

In my personal experience, white people don’t seem to catch on to non-hijabis being Muslim. They don’t realise I’m Muslim until Ramadan comes around and they find out I’m fasting, and then they might have questions about fasting but nothing racist/prejudice. I once had a colleague repeatedly offer me alcohol and sausage rolls. I told her I don’t drink or eat non-halal meat, but every week without fail she would offer me both things. It got extremely annoying.

I had a conversation with a few of my colleagues about regressive and prejudiced EU laws targeting women who choose to wear hijabs, and all of them listened with genuine interest and were then in agreement that the laws were anti-feminist because they sought to take away Muslim womens’ choice to dress how they want to.

I’m not saying there aren’t racist and prejudiced white people, there absolutely are. Islamaphobia is a huge problem in the west, however I think it is possible that some Muslims can be lucky and will not have experienced any first-hand racism. Especially younger Muslims, because they haven’t really been in the workforce that long.

However, there is absolutely no excuse for Kim not knowing that shalwar kameez is a normal way of dressing and does not denote terrorism. Even white Americans recognise Shalwar Kameez and don’t associate it with terrorism. Thousands of American-Muslim men wear shalwar kameez when they go to pray Jummah. I also see men wearing Kurtas on Eid. And as has already been said in this thread, how the hell is this girl fluent in reading and speaking Urdu and not know how to address elders? How as an American raised kid is she so comfortable addressing people old enough to be her parents/grandparents by their first name? Not even white Americans get away with that.

Also disagree with the entire religion angle. Living in the US doesn’t meant you don’t care about your religion. There are white and black Muslims in the US and there are south-Asian Muslims in the US who have generations of their family born and bred there, so their link to Pakistan is their great great grandparents or grandparents having been born there and that’s it. Most of these people care about their religion, and marry within the faith. The father should have instilled Muslim values in Kim from childhood and also shouldn’t be taking her to Pakistan to make a her get married, because (1) what will an American and Pakistani have in common? The culture divide is huge. Most American born and bred girls/boys will not want to marry a Pakistani; and (2) if you care about your religion you should know that forcing your child intro marriage is a sin.

ETA: I watched the first two episodes and skipped the rest. Watched the latest episode today and Kim says her mum had a strict rule to only speak Urdu at home. Well then, how do you not know how to address your elders Kim? I am not fluent in Urdu and even I know to use aap with elders and never call them by their name. The writers of this drama are cracked.

That person who tried to force feed you sounds pretty racist to me.

I am not saying she will face racism just because of religion. She is also a brown kid and she might have faced racism or being treated differently at school or college or atleast might have heard of racism against her own kind. Also all this totally depends of the state and place where she grew up in the US. It's a very big country and some parts are not as exposed to different culture and religion as other parts.

Kim wasn't brought up in a religious environment and that's why i feel her father is being a hypocrite. If he wanted her to marry only a Muslim he should have been open about it from the start. He should have said he is fine with her choosing whomever she wants to marry as long as he is Muslims. He cannot expect a girl who grew up in a multi culture environment with all type of religion around to find and fall in love with only Muslim men. Then taking her to Pakistan which is way too conservative for a girl like Kim is another dumb move. The love story between Kim and dawood is just a fairy tale. Also the fact they are gonna show everything about her is wrong and she will change eventually is also stupid. Except for being rude and a little arrogant there is nothing wrong with her thought process. She is independent and likes to live on her own and thinks everyone should fench for themselves and be independent. It might be different from the thinking of others but it's not wrong. She has been really nice to her father's friend because he has been non judgement towards her and don't try to impose his way of life onto her. So it's not like she is badtameez to just anyone and everyone.

Originally posted by: spnfan

That person who tried to force feed you sounds pretty racist to me.

I am not saying she will face racism just because of religion. She is also a brown kid and she might have faced racism or being treated differently at school or college or atleast might have heard of racism against her own kind. Also all this totally depends of the state and place where she grew up in the US. It's a very big country and some parts are not as exposed to different culture and religion as other parts.

Kim wasn't brought up in a religious environment and that's why i feel her father is being a hypocrite. If he wanted her to marry only a Muslim he should have been open about it from the start. He should have said he is fine with her choosing whomever she wants to marry as long as he is Muslims. He cannot expect a girl who grew up in a multi culture environment with all type of religion around to find and fall in love with only Muslim men. Then taking her to Pakistan which is way too conservative for a girl like Kim is another dumb move. The love story between Kim and dawood is just a fairy tale. Also the fact they are gonna show everything about her is wrong and she will change eventually is also stupid. Except for being rude and a little arrogant there is nothing wrong with her thought process. She is independent and likes to live on her own and thinks everyone should fench for themselves and be independent. It might be different from the thinking of others but it's not wrong. She has been really nice to her father's friend because he has been non judgement towards her and don't try to impose his way of life onto her. So it's not like she is badtameez to just anyone and everyone.

And again, being brown doesn’t mean you have de facto experienced racism. I have only been on the receiving end of a racist remark once in all my life. It’s not unbelievable that someone can get through their childhood and early adult life without experiencing racism. Although in a politically volatile world, where global news is reported on every social medium platform, Kim should have an awareness of racism at large, even if she has not experienced it herself.

I don’t disagree with your final paragraph. What I disagree with is what you said in your initial post, which essentially implied that Muslims living in the US can’t care about faith and so there should be no expectations to marry within the faith. I don’t think Kim was raised in a non-religious household the way you seem to. Kim seems to have been raised in a liberal Muslim household, i.e. a nuclear family that encouraged independence, allowed freedom of expression, but also seemed to value their roots, hence her mother insisting on speaking Urdu within the home. So it’s not unfathomable to expect her to marry within the faith. That’s a reasonable expectation to have of your child. What’s unreasonable is forcing her to go to Pakistan and marry a Pakistani man, or any man, that she does not want to marry. If Kim expressed interest in marrying a non-Muslim, her father should have had a discussion with her around why she wants to marry him, why he is against the union, why she thinks the marriage will work, why he doesn’t think it works. Discuss the religious implications and how they could impact her marriage and future. Try to work through the situation and bring her around or come to an agreement, and if you can’t come to an agreement, then your daughter is an adult and you have to let her make her own mistakes. You cannot force her to do anything. Forcing her to comply with your own wishes is also wrong from a religious perspective.

I have only watched the first 2 episodes and like 15 minutes of the episode that came on this weekend, so I can’t speak to anything that happened in the episodes I missed. Going by the few episodes I have watched, Kim does seem like a generally insolent person. However that has no bearing on the topic at hand. It doesn’t matter if Kim is a good or badly behaved person, her father shouldn’t be pressuring her into marriage.

Originally posted by: BlueWaters20

lmao she did not try to ‘force feed’ me. Repeatedly offering a particular food or drink to someone is not forcefeeding them. 🤔 Honestly, she was annoying but she was not racist. She never looked down on anyone non-white or because of their religion. She never discriminated against people that weren’t the same skin colour as her or didn’t share the same beliefs as her. She was just a very bad listener and didn’t pay attention to what other people said.

And again, being brown doesn’t mean you have de facto experienced racism. I have only been on the receiving end of a racist remark once in all my life. It’s not unbelievable that someone can get through their childhood and early adult life without experiencing racism. Although in a politically volatile world, where global news is reported on every social medium platform, Kim should have an awareness of racism at large, even if she has not experienced it herself.

I don’t disagree with your final paragraph. What I disagree with is what you said in your initial post, which essentially implied that Muslims living in the US can’t care about faith and so there should be no expectations to marry within the faith. I don’t think Kim was raised in a non-religious household the way you seem to. Kim seems to have been raised in a liberal Muslim household, i.e. a nuclear family that encouraged independence, allowed freedom of expression, but also seemed to value their roots, hence her mother insisting on speaking Urdu within the home. So it’s not unfathomable to expect her to marry within the faith. That’s a reasonable expectation to have of your child. What’s unreasonable is forcing her to go to Pakistan and marry a Pakistani man, or any man, that she does not want to marry. If Kim expressed interest in marrying a non-Muslim, her father should have had a discussion with her around why she wants to marry him, why he is against the union, why she thinks the marriage will work, why he doesn’t think it works. Discuss the religious implications and how they could impact her marriage and future. Try to work through the situation and bring her around or come to an agreement, and if you can’t come to an agreement, then your daughter is an adult and you have to let her make her own mistakes. You cannot force her to do anything. Forcing her to comply with your own wishes is also wrong from a religious perspective.

I have only watched the first 2 episodes and like 15 minutes of the episode that came on this weekend, so I can’t speak to anything that happened in the episodes I missed. Going by the few episodes I have watched, Kim does seem like a generally insolent person. However that has no bearing on the topic at hand. It doesn’t matter if Kim is a good or badly behaved person, her father shouldn’t be pressuring her into marriage.

I didn't mean physically force feeding. Someone repeatedly asking to do something you don't want to is kind of forcing. Since you went through it you will only know the intensity of the matter but when a 3rd person hears it, it comes off as forcing.

I never said everyone living in the US don't follow their culture or religion. From whatever is shown kim didn't grew up with that much knowledge about her culture or religion. Her mother or father simply teaching her how to read or write their mother tongue doesn't equal to her having knowledge about her religion or culture. Even with knowing Urdu she don't know how to use honorific or respecting elders. That pretty much comes off as she having little to no knowledge about the culture and religion. Her speaking that fluent Urdu without any accent itself is hard to digest. Kim is shown to be completely oblivious to the culture and religion. It's mostly the independent liberal household that allows intercaste or inter religious marriages. So kim not thinking about the religion of her bf makes total sense. Liberal Muslims and Christians or Muslims and Hindus or Hindus and Christians in a much more conservative society like India gets married to each other. So a girl who grew up in a liberal house hold in the US exposed to a much liberal society and independence not considering the religion of her bf and thinking her family will be fine with it makes total sense.

There are only two people with whom kim is really nice to. One is her female cousin and the other is her father's friend. Both of them don't pass any judgment on her lifestyle or her clothes or her manners or sees her as different. So she is comfortable with them and is very sweet to them. The rest tried to impose their thinking and believes on her and expects to understand them simply because they are her relatives and older than her and looks down on her lifestyle. So she is rude to them.

Originally posted by: spnfan

I didn't mean physically force feeding. Someone repeatedly asking to do something you don't want to is kind of forcing. Since you went through it you will only know the intensity of the matter but when a 3rd person hears it, it comes off as forcing.

I never said everyone living in the US don't follow their culture or religion. From whatever is shown kim didn't grew up with that much knowledge about her culture or religion. Her mother or father simply teaching her how to read or write their mother tongue doesn't equal to her having knowledge about her religion or culture. Even with knowing Urdu she don't know how to use honorific or respecting elders. That pretty much comes off as she having little to no knowledge about the culture and religion. Her speaking that fluent Urdu without any accent itself is hard to digest. Kim is shown to be completely oblivious to the culture and religion. It's mostly the independent liberal household that allows intercaste or inter religious marriages. So kim not thinking about the religion of her bf makes total sense. Liberal Muslims and Christians or Muslims and Hindus or Hindus and Christians in a much more conservative society like India gets married to each other. So a girl who grew up in a liberal house hold in the US exposed to a much liberal society and independence not considering the religion of her bf and thinking her family will be fine with it makes total sense.

There are only two people with whom kim is really nice to. One is her female cousin and the other is her father's friend. Both of them don't pass any judgment on her lifestyle or her clothes or her manners or sees her as different. So she is comfortable with them and is very sweet to them. The rest tried to impose their thinking and believes on her and expects to understand them simply because they are her relatives and older than her and looks down on her lifestyle. So she is rude to them.

Originally posted by: spnfan

I didn't mean physically force feeding. Someone repeatedly asking to do something you don't want to is kind of forcing. Since you went through it you will only know the intensity of the matter but when a 3rd person hears it, it comes off as forcing.

I never said everyone living in the US don't follow their culture or religion. From whatever is shown kim didn't grew up with that much knowledge about her culture or religion. Her mother or father simply teaching her how to read or write their mother tongue doesn't equal to her having knowledge about her religion or culture. Even with knowing Urdu she don't know how to use honorific or respecting elders. That pretty much comes off as she having little to no knowledge about the culture and religion. Her speaking that fluent Urdu without any accent itself is hard to digest. Kim is shown to be completely oblivious to the culture and religion. It's mostly the independent liberal household that allows intercaste or inter religious marriages. So kim not thinking about the religion of her bf makes total sense. Liberal Muslims and Christians or Muslims and Hindus or Hindus and Christians in a much more conservative society like India gets married to each other. So a girl who grew up in a liberal house hold in the US exposed to a much liberal society and independence not considering the religion of her bf and thinking her family will be fine with it makes total sense.

There are only two people with whom kim is really nice to. One is her female cousin and the other is her father's friend. Both of them don't pass any judgment on her lifestyle or her clothes or her manners or sees her as different. So she is comfortable with them and is very sweet to them. The rest tried to impose their thinking and believes on her and expects to understand them simply because they are her relatives and older than her and looks down on her lifestyle. So she is rude to them.

It's her father who needs to be blamed, he wanted her to marry with a muslim guy but he never told/taught her that why she needs to do that.

Also As you said that everyone judged her that's why she is rude with them, but did not she judge everyone staring from dawood to iqbal to suraiya etc

Originally posted by: spnfan

I binge watched the 6 episodes since i liked the ost. Both the leads are extreme characters and i don't see them to be good for each other.

On one hand they show Kim did her research and thinks everyone dressed a certain way are terrorists and then she was happily getting ready to go with a random stranger and that too at night? How stupid is that? Even any foreigner who comes to visit places like India and Pakistan knows they have to be careful with strangers. Even in the US i am sure nobody trusts some random strangers on street and decides to go with them.

Kim is shown to be someone that works as a sales girl in the US. It's literally impossible she never faced racism and prejudice against her religion in her school or college or work place. If never experienced it herself she might have heard in news and social media. But here she is calling a random guy terrorist . It would have made sense if she was a pampered child that was protected from the outer world and never went out to work in the real world. But Kim is shown to be extremely independent and earns her own money. She should have been shown with some sort of common sense.

Not using honorific can still be understandable and even not calling Taya, tayi, etc but calling by name is dumb. Even western people call their parent's friend's aunty and uncle. Kim clearly knows those are her father's relatives. She can easily use uncle and aunty for older people.

I recently finished watching modern family and those white kids have more manners and common sense than kim. So the makers just screwed up with the stereotype of westerners.

What is the ML's problem with kim's clothes? She is wearing basic tshirts and loose jeans. Not even tight jeans or tight tshirts. Isn't it karachi? I am pretty sure a lot of woman go out in that clothes in a city even in Pakistan. He is extremely conservative and i don't see how these two can fall in love and have a happily every after. Girls that grew up with half the freedom as Kim might find it hard to adjust with a guy like dawood.

Also glorifying the ML saying he will leave his job and marry whomever his grandfather says is problematic and unrealistic. Why would a doctor leave his job for his grandfather? Being a doctor is considered to be noble in all religion and culture. Kim was right to call on him.

The hypocrisy of the father is at peak. He ran away from a marriage because he wanted to live the life he wants and now he is trying to arrange the marriage of his daughter who has a bf only because of his religion? If he wanted his daughter to marry a person from his faith and culture he should have inserted those values into her from a young age. Also why does he care about his religion now when he has been living in the US for 20+ yrs.

Why do hum whitewash the actors so much onscreen? It's like the entire episodes are shot in Oppo smartphone with beauty filters on. 🤣

Inshort it's a badly written drama having several loopholes.

Originally posted by: NINALOGY

It's her father who needs to be blamed, he wanted her to marry with a muslim guy but he never told/taught her that why she needs to do that.

Also As you said that everyone judged her that's why she is rude with them, but did not she judge everyone staring from dawood to iqbal to suraiya etc

@bold yes. She is also judgy but except for her calling dawood a terrorist which does not make any sense she started being rude to others mostly because of their dislike for her father. She heard most of them bad mouthing her father. Except for answering back to the grandfather on things she don't agree she seems to be nice and respectful to the grandfather as well. Dont get why she calls him grandfather but not the others by relation. That also don't make sense.

Her dislike for dawood seems to be forced. Especially her repeatedly saying he is a terrorist even after coming to know he is her cousin and is a doctor. It's like the makers desperately want haters to lovers troop.